WTF does everyone label each other as liberals or democrats before AMERICAN? I keep shaking my head each time those comments come up when the conversation has NOTHING to do with politics...
Yeah, it's weird isn't it? I've often wondered if the Americans on this forum who do this act the same way with their neighbors?
I don't think I've ever discussed politics with my neighbors, and with very few of my friends. It's none of their business how I vote, and I don't care how they vote. We're all just Canadians. We don't worry about trying to label each other... unless the other guy happens to be a Leaf fan.
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Originally posted by Purple86GT:Nope, is I was a USA person I would be and AMERICAN. Something I think you guys are forgetting. WTF does everyone label each other as liberals or democrats before AMERICAN? I keep shaking my head each time those comments come up when the conversation has NOTHING to do with politics...
Mexican, Canadian, United States, are all Americans of the northern continent.
We label each other to help understand their point of view. Most of the people I know that identify themselves as Republicans are close to being libertarians and isolationist. The Democrats I know seem to think that there is a never ending pot of money to pull from and want to provide median income type housing to all that are not "rich" and pensions to all government workers at full wages after working a couple years. California is a weird place so, YMMV.
Originally posted by Purple86GT: Nope, is I was a USA person I would be and AMERICAN. WTF does everyone label each other as liberals or democrats before AMERICAN?
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Originally posted by Patrick: Yeah, it's weird isn't it?
Why do blacks call themselves African Americans (many never have been in Africa) ? Why do hispanics call themselves Mexican Americans ? Why do they not call themselves American Africans, or American Mexicans ?
Why do blacks call themselves African Americans (many never have been in Africa) ? Why do hispanics call themselves Mexican Americans ? Why do they not call themselves American Africans, or American Mexicans ?
Do "they" call themselves that or do you? My point is you guys seem to be eager to label yourselves and others. We don't have African Canadians or Mexican Canadians, etc.. Just Canadians of African, Mexican etc. decent. Unless you are actually part of a political party, we do not label you buy your political views. They only count on voting day anyhow...
Nope, is I was a USA person I would be and AMERICAN. Something I think you guys are forgetting. WTF does everyone label each other as liberals or democrats before AMERICAN? I keep shaking my head each time those comments come up when the conversation has NOTHING to do with politics...
Some people have a desire to belong to groups often so they can be told what to think etc. Human nature I suppose as there are soooo many examples.
Also many have a need to pigeon hole others as evidenced on this forum again and again.
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Hes just hearing all the hoopla about it and believing everything he hears. 1/2 the anti gun crowd still believe a rifle with a big body is an assault gun and semi automatic is a machine gun that fires 200 rounds a minute. You cant tell them any different.
Ask him WHY hes afraid of them specificly, and give him the info he needs. I know a guy who KNOWS semi auto is a gun that keeps firing as long as you hold the trigger. Even when I show him mine are all semi auto and you have to pull the trigger each time to fire, he says im wrong.
I was in shock as he said he was scared of guns as he was in a rant about other stuff (college, ect). He said that it freaks him out that I have guns. Oh freaking brother. Already, he has had poor reactions to bullies, has no interest in what I consider guys cars or working on them with me, gets all fussed about bugs when out in the yard and trying to have him help me do yard work, no interest in sports, and finally likes American Idol. Gotta say, we are not the same.
So, who of you are like my son? Look at me, asking on a car forum. What do you do for a living, do you live a good life?
Well, everyone is totally different, so my advice / comparison may not even be remotely useful. But when I was a kid, I wasn't entirely interested in doing yard work, but I still mowed the lawn when my parents demanded it. I was never really interested in working on cars either, but neither was my dad. He drove Volvos (the 240s are kind of cool now) and he was a businessman more than anything... but did a lot of yard work and made furniture and stuff when he was bored. No real interested in any of that.
Once I got out on my own and ONLY had pennies to rub together, I learned how to work on my car out of necessity... but it became a hobby.
As an adult in my mid thirties with my dad who just turned 70... it's surprisingly how much we are a like. No, I still don't have any interest in his stamp collection... but we both like gardening, we both like Formula-1, investing in stocks, and he's picked up my car hobby since he restored the golf cart I gave him.
I figure with proper up-bringing, most kids will eventually find their way back to their teachings that their parents gave them. But right now, you see... they are more interested in doing anything BUT what you want them to do...
Originally posted by Purple86GT: Nope, is I was a USA person I would be and AMERICAN. WTF does everyone label each other as liberals or democrats before AMERICAN?
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Originally posted by Patrick: Yeah, it's weird isn't it?
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Originally posted by newf: Some people have a desire to belong to groups often so they can be told what to think etc. Human nature I suppose as there are soooo many examples. Also many have a need to pigeon hole others as evidenced on this forum again and again.
Your thoughts have weighed on me and I have too ask ... how is the view with your heads buried in the sand ? Perhaps you were just not paying attention, . We are in an ideological war in the USA and it is the Dumbs against conservatives. It is important to identify enemy positions, thus the labeling. Have you seen the Dumb playbook ? Saul Alynski's Rules for Radicals.
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* RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.) * RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.) * RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.) * RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.) * RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.) * RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.) * RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.) * RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.) * RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.) * RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.) * RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.) * RULE 12: "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
Conservatives get hit, labeled with lies all the time and the Dumb sheeple get lied to, and also allow it to go unchecked as it fits their desires. Dumbs are a threat to our way of life.
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Originally posted by Purple86GT: Unless you are actually part of a political party, we do not label you buy your political views. They only count on voting day anyhow...
Originally posted by cliffw: Your thoughts have weighed on me and I have too ask ... how is the view with your heads buried in the sand ? Perhaps you were just not paying attention, . We are in an ideological war in the USA and it is the Dumbs against conservatives. It is important to identify enemy positions, thus the labeling.
LOL! Ahhhhhhhhmerica... When you can't go to war against other nations, go to war with eachother.
The Dumbs (is that a word?) I assume would be the Liberals? and the Conservatives... I'm the one with the head in the sand when you label a group of people as dumb because of their political views? I wonder what the everage Liberal's GPA is? I wonder who would win the next election if you had to have a GPA of at least 3.5 for your vote to count?
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LOL! Ahhhhhhhhmerica... When you can't go to war against other nations, go to war with eachother.
The Dumbs (is that a word?) I assume would be the Liberals? and the Conservatives... I'm the one with the head in the sand when you label a group of people as dumb because of their political views? I wonder what the everage Liberal's GPA is? I wonder who would win the next election if you had to have a GPA of at least 3.5 for your vote to count?
They would be smart enough to not run. Intellectuals scare a lot of people and the masses scare the intellectuals.
If you want your child to grow up like you, the best thing you can do is just be the best father.
He'll see it when he's older and will emulate you.
Sure, take him shooting, but don't force him into anything.
I'm not a gearhead. I hated helping my dad with the cars. It was hot, dirty, and tiring. I like working on my own car to save money but I won't work on someone else's. My dad would.
I'm not a huge sports fan outside of hockey. My dad loves it all.
There was a time when my dad quit inviting me to work on his car with him or go to the baseball game with him. He started taking my sister. He told me as a kid more than once that he loved me just the way I am but thought I was into softer things. Well, when I grew up we both realized how much respect we have with each other. I may not be a sports fan or gearhead, but the way I communicate is exactly like him. The way I treat others is like him. The way I like doing my own work is like him. My pride is like his. We are really two peas in a pod with different interests.
Don't show disappointment. He's not you--won't ever be. Just be you and let him find himself.
Originally posted by Purple86GT: I wonder who would win the next election if you had to have a GPA of at least 3.5 for your vote to count?
That would be crazy. I think I was under 2 for most of high school. I have had to beat into my head anything I want to really know. My school principal said that we were a college prep school as why the school seemed harder than the one across town. I would be game for an IQ test required for voting, I tested quite well.
That would be crazy. I think I was under 2 for most of high school. I have had to beat into my head anything I want to really know. My school principal said that we were a college prep school as why the school seemed harder than the one across town. I would be game for an IQ test required for voting, I tested quite well.
But by some people here's standards, that would be far too liberal. Anyone could walk up and do a free IQ test to vote.
If you want your child to grow up like you, the best thing you can do is just be the best father. He'll see it when he's older and will emulate you. Don't show disappointment. He's not you--won't ever be. Just be you and let him find himself.
I am a fan of theBDub. I have been watching you grow up in your posts so, all is not lost. LOL! Shock, not disappointment. I remind him that I am not the same person that I was at 12, 21, 25, 35. I tell him to find what works for him and embrace it. Whatever you choose today can be something different later, do not anybody define you. If they do, see if you agree, decide if you like that, go forward from there.
Originally posted by cliffw: We are in an ideological war in the USA and it is the Dumbs against conservatives. It is important to identify enemy positions, thus the labeling.
Just the type of thinking that furthers the divide and gets nothing done. Makes you easier to predict and "sell" to though.
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Originally posted by Purple86GT: When you can't go to war against other nations, go to war with each other.
However you hope to define it, . In the real world, people have to fight for everything they have. Rights get stepped on all the time. One needs to be ever vigilant.
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Originally posted by Purple86GT: I'm the one with the head in the sand when you label a group of people as dumb because of their political views?
Yes, , since you asked, . I am not labeling them dumb, just their utopian ideals.
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Originally posted by Purple86GT: I wonder what the everage Liberal's GPA is? I wonder who would win the next election if you had to have a GPA of at least 3.5 for your vote to count?
I wonder if they could spell "average", . What does a GPA have to do with intelligence ? Unintelligent people should not have a right to vote ? I would be game for a voting test. Just before every election a test should be given questioning understanding of the issues on the ballot, the persons running for a particular office, and if the ballot removed any party affiliation of the ballot choices. It's a shame when one dumb asses vote cancels out an intelligent vote.
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Originally posted by newf: Just the type of thinking that furthers the divide and gets nothing done.
Most excellent. More nothing needs to not get done ... ... getting something done for the sake of getting something done is not always productive. Furthers the divide ? A divide is measured by it's issue. There was always a divide. There will always be one.
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Originally posted by newf: Makes you easier to predict and "sell" to though.
Makes "me", or makes "one", easier to predict and sell to ?
Makes "me", or makes "one", easier to predict and sell to ?
Sorry should have been "makes one".
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Originally posted by cliffw: Most excellent. More nothing needs to not get done ... ... getting something done for the sake of getting something done is not always productive. Furthers the divide ? A divide is measured by it's issue. There was always a divide. There will always be one.
Not always but sometimes very necessary.
Seems I remember a saying a number of Americans frequently quoting "United We Stand...."
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He doesnt have to like guns or enjoy them. But he should not be afraid of them. He shuold be able to explain why he fears them and listen to a rational response, possibly give you a rebuttal, which you can then respond to as well, also rationally.
Put him through hunter's safety or some other firearms handing training and call it good. At least he will know how to act around and with them. Done. If he's not a fan, he's not a fan.
The boy just does not realize yet it is not firearms he fears, but crazy people and morons who tote them irresponsibly. It will take time for him to realize an inanimate object is not responsible for murders, but rather murderers are. Guns in the hands of irresponsible people is what I fear, because that irresponsibility does not disqualify them from gun ownership usually until its too late, if then.
The boy just does not realize yet it is not firearms he fears, but crazy people and morons who tote them irresponsibly. It will take time for him to realize an inanimate object is not responsible for murders, but rather murderers are. Guns in the hands of irresponsible people is what I fear, because that irresponsibility does not disqualify them from gun ownership usually until its too late, if then.
The sooner the better, if he's old enough he may already be voting.
I am waiting for him to give me the talk. He said some stuff to my wife(his Mom) that she said that I am not supposed to know. I usually knock on his door, poke my head in and ask if he has any needs or wants. More recently the couple of girls that are his buddies have been fighting and he got in the mix. Now a bunch of not nice words have been passed out and he is all broken up about it. He gripes about how his life sucks and he has never been happy.
We were watching a TV show as a family and were all in agreement that he was heading to be too much like this guy. Starting at about 6:30, negative person, talks down people as they walk away, lack of enthusiasm.
I am waiting for him to give me the talk. He said some stuff to my wife(his Mom) that she said that I am not supposed to know. I usually knock on his door, poke my head in and ask if he has any needs or wants. More recently the couple of girls that are his buddies have been fighting and he got in the mix. Now a bunch of not nice words have been passed out and he is all broken up about it. He gripes about how his life sucks and he has never been happy.
We were watching a TV show as a family and were all in agreement that he was heading to be too much like this guy. Starting at about 6:30, negative person, talks down people as they walk away, lack of enthusiasm.
We (I) know so little about the whole situation that advice could be good or bad. But I would say try to be his "rock", be there and help guide him, but dont let it become him thinking you degrade him or him getting the idea that you are against him. Just some thoughts. "I have never been happy", could mean he doesnt know how to define happy, it could mean he is just in a short term funk, or it could mean he has undiagnosed clinical depression. Again talk it with a grain of salt, you may know if this is good advice for your situation better than I.
. We are in an ideological war in the USA and it is the Dumbs against conservatives. It is important to identify enemy positions, thus the labeling.
. In the real world, people have to fight for everything they have. Rights get stepped on all the time. One needs to be ever vigilant.
, since you asked, 
... getting something done for the sake of getting something done is not always productive.
