Bingo... that is exactly right. I've said this many times before, and it's as true now as it ever was. Democrats simply don't understand... they CAN'T understand... why their policies aren't working. They truly... TRULY TRULY TRULY deep down believe that these policies should all be working... and they desperately just cannot understand why they aren't! They believe that... if just given enough chance, THIS time will be different... it HAS to work... so because they believe so strongly about so much that isn't true... they're willing to go to any means. This includes "fooling" the public, and being dishonest to them... because the Democrats believe people are unable to make the right decisions for themselves. Take note here, the Democrats REALLY DO believe that people are UNABLE to make the "correct" decision for themselves. This is what it's all about... every Democrat here truly believes that BECAUSE they think people are unable to make the proper / responsible decision for themselves... they must be guided and / or have the government make the decision for them. And that my friends, is absolutely terrifying to me.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Bingo... that is exactly right. I've said this many times before, and it's as true now as it ever was. Democrats simply don't understand... they CAN'T understand... why their policies aren't working. They truly... TRULY TRULY TRULY deep down believe that these policies should all be working... and they desperately just cannot understand why they aren't! They believe that... if just given enough chance, THIS time will be different... it HAS to work... so because they believe so strongly about so much that isn't true... they're willing to go to any means. This includes "fooling" the public, and being dishonest to them... because the Democrats believe people are unable to make the right decisions for themselves. Take note here, the Democrats REALLY DO believe that people are UNABLE to make the "correct" decision for themselves. This is what it's all about... every Democrat here truly believes that BECAUSE they think people are unable to make the proper / responsible decision for themselves... they must be guided and / or have the government make the decision for them. And that my friends, is absolutely terrifying to me.
I'm curious how you can say the GOP is the opposite. They aren't. The fact that they talk like they are? They still aren't.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Bingo... that is exactly right. I've said this many times before, and it's as true now as it ever was. Democrats simply don't understand... they CAN'T understand... why their policies aren't working. They truly... TRULY TRULY TRULY deep down believe that these policies should all be working... and they desperately just cannot understand why they aren't! They believe that... if just given enough chance, THIS time will be different... it HAS to work... so because they believe so strongly about so much that isn't true... they're willing to go to any means. This includes "fooling" the public, and being dishonest to them... because the Democrats believe people are unable to make the right decisions for themselves. Take note here, the Democrats REALLY DO believe that people are UNABLE to make the "correct" decision for themselves. This is what it's all about... every Democrat here truly believes that BECAUSE they think people are unable to make the proper / responsible decision for themselves... they must be guided and / or have the government make the decision for them. And that my friends, is absolutely terrifying to me.
Maybe it is because most people can't. I do hate to say that.
Maybe most won't or actually do not want to. Don't really have to look far for examples and with our current society geared to the lowest common denominator with seemingly little consequence for bad decisions we don't stand much of a chance.
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There is a post on the internet by Judicial watch with over 500 items of corruption by the Obama team LIARS!! there are only 350 to 400 because of repetition ordered boeing to shut down there S.C. Plant because it was not Union Promise no more lobyist,they have more than 40 double national debt nominate tax cheat Tim Geither supported release of Lockerbie bomber,unbelievable ?? Obama launched military intervention in Lybia transparent,ha,ha,ha white house he promised,remember !! fired inspector general Walpin because he accused Mayor Kevin Johson,a HUGE obumbles supporter & corupt pol criminal kept Obama care hidden ,very secret,after promise of transparentcy remember ?The press was sealed room silent many millions lost thier health care & had to pay a lot more remember the red lines, what a joke,a wimp president screwed secure Chrysler creditors,robbed them destroyed many americans faith in bonds & secure credit.so he could help the unions who elected him,he spit in the face of many older americans & investors,like police unions & teachers,Obumbles flat out robbed them !! Hundreds of others,our newspapers & Major T.V news cheated us with there liar train of lie after lie
The president needs a certain amount of protection,but not a 100 freight car train load of LIAR bull s.....
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I'm curious how you can say the GOP is the opposite. They aren't. The fact that they talk like they are? They still aren't.
Actually, what you say is by and large pretty true, which is why a lot of republican voters are moving towards libertarianism in large numbers. They're sick of the same old lip service from lawyer politicians (on both sides) who just want to line their own pockets. Why do you think both parties spend so much time trying to discredit and embarrass that movement? They scare the living **** out of them all. As soon as the single-issue lib voters realize that libertarians are largely socially liberal, they're going to start jumping ship too.
The difference? Libs will defend, excuse, lie, and deny to protect their image of this administration. Conservatives are deciding that if they can't change the conservative party, they'll change parties. Not too may conservatives are defending the GOP any more.
The difference? Libs will defend, excuse, lie, and deny to protect their image of this administration. Conservatives are deciding that if they can't change the conservative party, they'll change parties. Not too may conservatives are defending the GOP any more.
Give me a break. There are plenty of rotten apples on both sides of the fence.
Last I checked, Gary Johnson got about 1% of the popular vote in 2012. (I was one of his voters.) The parties still have a death grip on the political system, despite their perceived unpopularity.
Give me a break. There are plenty of rotten apples on both sides of the fence.
Last I checked, Gary Johnson got about 1% of the popular vote in 2012. (I was one of his voters.) The parties still have a death grip on the political system, despite their perceived unpopularity.
I never said there wasn't. Read my entire post, not just the convenient little snippet you quoted. In fact, I think you just perfectly proved my point. You as an example are completely incapable of even seeing objectivity when right there in front of you, plain as day:
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I'm curious how you can say the GOP is the opposite. They aren't. The fact that they talk like they are? They still aren't.
So, no where did I say that; however, CONSERVATIVE free-market values will and DO work. There is actual proof, working proof, and historical proof that shows a free-market system will succeed every time. America did not get to where it is today because of Keynesian economic policies... it got to where it was because of free-market capitalism. The Republican party, generally speaking, does tout these values. It's when you get corrupt individuals in office who nudge croney-capitalism. At the very worst, it is still better than the Democrat philosophy of socialism. Once in a blue-moon... you get someone like John F. Kennedy who supports free-market capitalism. Even individuals like Bill Clinton who are willing to work across the isle to support a free-market society (with reduced federal spending). But when you get people like FDR, Carter, Obama... you see what the REAL root of the Democrat party's ideology is... and that is control.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: So, no where did I say that; .
You just went off on the wrong tangent Todd. TK was highlighting this statement if I'm not mistaken:
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: they think people are unable to make the proper / responsible decision for themselves... they must be guided and / or have the government make the decision for them
Your conservatives can talk like they don't want to control the populous, but that's really all lip-service.
Your conservatives can talk like they don't want to control the populous, but that's really all lip-service.
So, are you referring to abortion or "provinding equal access to" something? Because other than that (which is a very poor argument in my mind) conservatives do NOT want to control the populace.
I was just doing research on members of Obamas inner circle , these people are very corrupt & have a massive wall of protection by our mass media .. mass media has a cancer. one reason you can not attack the average democrack they sue, the attack you, they find out where you live & who your children are Al Sharpton has a $$ 500,000 law suit against one of the major net works for mentioning he was a cocaine dealer that sold out his friends & stab them in the back to save his own butt ,now silence from all Bengazhi is just another cover up, only the protection of our mass media has allowed this to fester for 2 years ,an insult to our security personel . a slam of shameful hate to our dead hero,s
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: So, are you referring to abortion or "provinding equal access to" something? Because other than that (which is a very poor argument in my mind) conservatives do NOT want to control the populace.
I definitely don't have the patience to debate with you Todd. Sorry, nothing personal or anything. I was just letting you know how I read his comment, and that your reply seemed to come out of left field.
If you want an argument, I'd just ask how many conservatives are ready reclassify marijuana as something other than a Schedule I controlled substance... (but I really don't care enough about the political threads here in OT to go into much more of an argument than that,)
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: So, are you referring to abortion or "provinding equal access to" something? Because other than that (which is a very poor argument in my mind) conservatives do NOT want to control the populace.
As much as I'd love to agree, I'm going to have to throw "Patriot Act" out there as a shining example of "not so much". Granted, under a more conservative leadership it wasn't exploited quite the way it has been over the last 6 years, but it really did open the door to all the invasions of privacy and violations of civil rights that we're experiencing today.
I definitely don't have the patience to debate with you Todd. Sorry, nothing personal or anything. I was just letting you know how I read his comment, and that your reply seemed to come out of left field.
This is a lot like Louis Lerner claiming the fifth, AFTER telling everyone she wasn't guilty of anything.
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I really don't care enough about the political threads here in OT
Says the person who posts in almost all of them.
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As much as I'd love to agree, I'm going to have to throw "Patriot Act" out there as a shining example of "not so much". Granted, under a more conservative leadership it wasn't exploited quite the way it has been over the last 6 years, but it really did open the door to all the invasions of privacy and violations of civil rights that we're experiencing today.
That's exactly right, and that is absolutely the truth... it was also the reason why it was passed as a law that had a time limit, so that when it was over, it would expire.
But for what it's worth... do you see where this argument has gone? It's the same, all the time, every time. When a Republican does something wrong, the Republicans deal with it, and get crucified by the Democrats. When a Democrat does something wrong, they change the argument back on how bad Republicans are and then say "everyone is bad." It's the same thing in every thread, every time. A thread specifically about how a Democrat lied and mislead the public turns into a discussion about how "everyone" is bad. But a thread about how a Republican broke the trust of the people... not the same way. As Formula88 said... the way Democrats and Republicans deal with scandals is FAAAAR different.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: <snip>the way Democrats and Republicans deal with scandals is FAAAAR different.
Absolutley, I also said as much. Although, what I see is they tend to turn a blind eye to the misdeeds of their politicians. As I said before, to most liberals it seems the ends justify the means. And in fact, the end justify *any* actions related or unrelated, as long the person guilty of those acts is a proponent of their overall agenda. It's why logic doesn't compute in a discussion with (most of) them. They don't function on logic, they function on emotion, and emotions aren't rational.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: They believe that... if just given enough chance, THIS time will be different... it HAS to work... so because they believe so strongly about so much that isn't true... they're willing to go to any means
^Does this remind anyone else of the War on Drugs/Rickady88GT?? Is that more of a liberal or conservative thing Todd? Or does this issue not concern you like the abortion one you brushed off earlier?
If you don't think there are Republicans in office out for control, I think you're naive.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: But for what it's worth... do you see where this argument has gone? It's the same, all the time, every time. When a Republican does something wrong, the Republicans deal with it, and get crucified by the Democrats. When a Democrat does something wrong, they change the argument back on how bad Republicans are and then say "everyone is bad." It's the same thing in every thread, every time. A thread specifically about how a Democrat lied and mislead the public turns into a discussion about how "everyone" is bad. But a thread about how a Republican broke the trust of the people... not the same way. As Formula88 said... the way Democrats and Republicans deal with scandals is FAAAAR different.
I don't disagree with any of this^ or most of what you post about capitalism and free-market values, fwiw. The only reason I posted in this thread was to clarify your response to TK's comment, since I agreed with him that nearly all of our elected (and appointed...grrr) officials would love to have complete control over the population if it was offered to them, because I get the feeling a lot of our politicians ARE that greedy and power hungry.
edit: and I think maybe 9 or 10 out of the last 40 threads I've posted in have been political, and that's going back to February, just an fyi. I'd much rather spend time in threads like this one: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/105851.html
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I don't disagree with any of this^ or most of what you post about capitalism and free-market values, fwiw. The only reason I posted in this thread was to clarify your response to TK's comment, since I agreed with him that nearly all of our elected (and appointed...grrr) officials would love to have complete control over the population if it was offered to them, because I get the feeling a lot of our politicians ARE that greedy and power hungry.
There is an old saying. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That is why we need to make major changes in who we elect. We need to get rid of the entrenched power hungry politicians of all stripes. Just look at what the entrenched Republicans have done over the last 2 years with this original issue. Practically nothing. Thankfully we have some new members of congress who have the stones to be aggressive in pursuit of the criminality of this administration.
However, because of this saying above we need to make sure we have a constant turnover of politicians.
There is an old saying. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That is why we need to make major changes in who we elect. We need to get rid of the entrenched power hungry politicians of all stripes. Just look at what the entrenched Republicans have done over the last 2 years with this original issue. Practically nothing. Thankfully we have some new members of congress who have the stones to be aggressive in pursuit of the criminality of this administration.
However, because of this saying above we need to make sure we have a constant turnover of politicians.
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula: I think maybe 9 or 10 out of the last 40 threads I've posted in have been political, and that's going back to February, just an fyi. I'd much rather spend time in threads like this one: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/105851.html
Thank you for your contribution to America. I missed that thread. I must have been watching American Idol, . I can only conclude that you are happy with the present regime and the flavor of politics it represents. It will be interesting to see how many political threads you post in when the Repugnants gain power. Though I thought your post had merit and you delivered it respectfully.
Originally posted by Taijiguy: I never said there wasn't. Read my entire post, not just the convenient little snippet you quoted. In fact, I think you just perfectly proved my point. You as an example are completely incapable of even seeing objectivity when right there in front of you, plain as day:
I did read your entire post, and you act like conservatives are fundamentally better than liberals.
If conservatives really were migrating to libertarianism in large numbers, the country wouldn't be so divided on social issues - because, as you said, libertarians and liberals are both socially liberal. There are huge numbers, liberals and conservatives, that are entrenched into the political system and want to maintain the status quo. There are conservatives that are fed up with it as you say, there are also liberals that are fed up with it, I would point to Obama's tanking approval ratings as evidence of this.
The fact that you so rapidly point fingers and accuse me of being "completely incapable" is pretty disturbing, sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
I can only conclude that you are happy with the present regime and the flavor of politics it represents. It will be interesting to see how many political threads you post in when the Repugnants gain power. Though I thought your post had merit and you delivered it respectfully.
You have come to an incorrect conclusion. I highly doubt I'll post any more or less politically when we have a power shift, but you and Todd can keep track for me, huh?
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Conservatives are so superior to the hate life ruining liberal s who are liars beyond beleaf, only the full support of the media keep them going ,,along with the thousands of college professor who seem to hate america & want a marxist socalist America goverment (there pay would drop) the democrats on the Liar train speeding away from Benghazi are all corrupt Liars & you know it ! they are so obvious! is there one man here who thinks the democrats are telling the truth ? ? more of the biggest liars Katherine Sebilius Susan rice Steven Chu communist Van jones george Kaiser who took $535 million for Solyndra ,then declair bankruptcy this administration has funnel 20 billion to Obama backed there is always an deep abyss of cronyism,deceit, corruption liars & hidden agenda with the Liberals ! lying is a way of life with Liberals,, Obumbles care being thier crown jewel of deception there is always some bengahzi they hate our military 20,000 liberals,marxist & socialist mainly in the north east form the democratic party agenda.. Hillary forbid the Marines at the white house to wear Uniforms Only the deception of the mass media allows this deception Al sharpton is allowed to be a major Cocaine dealer & owe the IRS 2 million dollars & stand beside the President while the tea party is hurt by the IRS & a rancher who owes less is surrounded by 400 federal agents the local law enforcement thought they should just talk to him the democrat A.G. Eric Holder.. pardon marc Rich a wealthy billionair man who hurt thousands ,so he could live out his life in wealthy splendor In his luxurious Switzerland mountain Chalet , the whole Justice department was against this !!,I always wanted to know how much the bribe cost Marc Rich ?? even tho known Holder was corrupt,the democrats got him appointed Attorney General he should be in jail ! ..every day the democrats slime the right & it works, every nit pick is shown as a major defect ,,Sarah Palin being the best example ao many beleave the lies about her Palin is so superior to hosebag Hillary Clinton who sold her soul to be a poobah
.... the wife of Monica Lewinski boy friend & Monica,s cuckold & a supper Liar on benghazi could be President !!
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Bingo... that is exactly right. I've said this many times before, and it's as true now as it ever was. Democrats simply don't understand... they CAN'T understand... why their policies aren't working. They truly... TRULY TRULY TRULY deep down believe that these policies should all be working... and they desperately just cannot understand why they aren't! They believe that... if just given enough chance, THIS time will be different... it HAS to work... so because they believe so strongly about so much that isn't true... they're willing to go to any means. This includes "fooling" the public, and being dishonest to them... because the Democrats believe people are unable to make the right decisions for themselves. Take note here, the Democrats REALLY DO believe that people are UNABLE to make the "correct" decision for themselves. This is what it's all about... every Democrat here truly believes that BECAUSE they think people are unable to make the proper / responsible decision for themselves... they must be guided and / or have the government make the decision for them. And that my friends, is absolutely terrifying to me.
This is easily witnessed pretty much anywhere and everywhere they speak. Below masospaghetti has a point, not everyone is alike, even under the same party label:
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Originally posted by masospaghetti: Give me a break. There are plenty of rotten apples on both sides of the fence.
However many would not call the ones 82-T/A describes bad apples, they may in fact be the intended product, 100% shiny delicious crisp version.
The fact that you so rapidly point fingers and accuse me of being "completely incapable" is pretty disturbing, sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
No, the fact that you took one small segment of my entire post and then used it to accuse me of something that was clearly a falsehood, as evidenced by the portion of the comment that you eliminated is irritating. So you say you read the entire post which means you aren't incapable, you're just dishonest. You intentionally left out the part that didn't suit your accusation to create a false impression. Which I don't understand, as my original comment was largely a criticism of the GOP and commentary on how folks are jumping ship. And you managed to twist into something completely different. That's where my hostility originates.
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No, the fact that you took one small segment of my entire post and then used it to accuse me of something that was clearly a falsehood, as evidenced by the portion of the comment that you eliminated is irritating. So you say you read the entire post which means you aren't incapable, you're just dishonest. You intentionally left out the part that didn't suit your accusation to create a false impression. Which I don't understand, as my original comment was largely a criticism of the GOP and commentary on how folks are jumping ship.
Do you talk to people like this in real life? If you do, i'm guessing you have a lot of missing teeth and many black eyes.
I "accused" you of drawing broad stereotypes of liberals and conservatives, which you did. The first part of your post wasn't even related to my point. I've met plenty of people - liberals or conservatives - that blindly see along their party or ideological lines and don't consider all sides of the story.
It's also nice that you immediately lump me into the "liberal" pile just because I disagree with you, If you've read my posts in the past you'd realize that I have become a pretty harsh critic of Obama and his policies.
The difference? Libs will defend, excuse, lie, and deny to protect their image of this administration. Conservatives are deciding that if they can't change the conservative party, they'll change parties. Not too may conservatives are defending the GOP any more.
Give me a break. There are plenty of rotten apples on both sides of the fence.
Last I checked, Gary Johnson got about 1% of the popular vote in 2012. (I was one of his voters.) The parties still have a death grip on the political system, despite their perceived unpopularity. . . My full post from which you deceptively edited out the parts that didn't suit you:
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Actually, what you say is by and large pretty true, which is why a lot of republican voters are moving towards libertarianism in large numbers. They're sick of the same old lip service from lawyer politicians (on both sides) who just want to line their own pockets. Why do you think both parties spend so much time trying to discredit and embarrass that movement? They scare the living **** out of them all. As soon as the single-issue lib voters realize that libertarians are largely socially liberal, they're going to start jumping ship too.
The difference? Libs will defend, excuse, lie, and deny to protect their image of this administration. Conservatives are deciding that if they can't change the conservative party, they'll change parties. Not too may conservatives are defending the GOP any more.
Clearly, therein I stated BOTH SIDES. So you tell me, which is it, are you dishonest, or did you not read the entire post? And do I call it like I see it? You betcha. Especially if someone is going to lie about something I said, or didn't say. Most people recognize it and accept responsibility when I call them on their BS. Don't blame me just because I pointed out your inappropriate action.
And by the way, Johnson got about 3% of the vote, and those were primarily at Romney's expense, not Obama's. Which just further supports my statement about conservatives bailing on the GOP.
Absolutley, I also said as much. Although, what I see is they tend to turn a blind eye to the misdeeds of their politicians. As I said before, to most liberals it seems the ends justify the means. And in fact, the end justify *any* actions related or unrelated, as long the person guilty of those acts is a proponent of their overall agenda. It's why logic doesn't compute in a discussion with (most of) them. They don't function on logic, they function on emotion, and emotions aren't rational.
100% agree.
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^Does this remind anyone else of the War on Drugs/Rickady88GT?? Is that more of a liberal or conservative thing Todd? Or does this issue not concern you like the abortion one you brushed off earlier?
If you don't think there are Republicans in office out for control, I think you're naive.
Oh, good to see you found the strength to debate after saying you wouldn't. So that's what this IS about then? Your ENTIRE argument that Conservatives want to control the public is based on abortion and drug legality? For one... the anti-abortion is about protecting the right of the unborn featus, so that's not a simple cut-and-dry argument with respect to rights because those that are against abortion believe the unborn child has the same level of rights as the person who's carrying the child. Abortion is NOT a Republican thing, and it's also not a Democrat thing. It's a Christian / Morality "thing." There are MORE Christians on the Democrat site than there are on the Republican side. Minorities, particularly of Hispanic descent are overwhelmingly Christian. There are entire countries in South America (several) where 99.X% of the population is literally Catholic. Jimmy Carter won BECAUSE of his strong Christian values. The media may try to make it seem otherwise, but that's simply not the case. Same with gay rights... the most anti-gay laws ever passed in history was during the 2008 election when minorities (who are majority Christian) came out in droves to the polling places.
With drug use, I support legalization the same as we do alcohol (it's hypocritical not to). Same with abortion... drug legalization is neither a Democrat or a Republican thing. It is equally despised, and equally supported by both parties; however, I hardly think the legalization of pot is as important as literally destroying the eonomic foundation of our country and forcing people to buy a product. There is a HUGE difference here between Democrats and Republicans which you are not seeing...
Chroney socialism and chroney capitalism aside... Democrats believe they know what the CORRECT answers are for how to live your entire life... cradle to grave... and they are willing to pass laws, taxes, and regulation to ensure you follow that path. Republicans want less regulation and less taxes and believe in self responsibility. With the exception of a few non-normal presidents, it has been that way for over 100 years now.
If I had to pick a president right now, it would be Rand Paul, with Condi Rice as the VP. But I'm not the ruler of the world, and I can't pick and choose who I want. What I DO know is that marijuana use is probably the least of my concerns... I'd much rather we put ourselves back on top as being the economic powerhouse of the world, and then worry about the little things like pot legalization.
...and what does any of this have to do with Benghazi?
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The ubiquitous lamestream media that dominates the country, coast to coast, encourages Congress to invent new scandals and then feeds by reporting on the endless Congressional hearings and investigations.
Why was this kind of attack not anticipated and preempted, or met with effective counterforce from US military assets that should have been preplanned to be already in place and ready to go? Why did they overestimate the effectiveness or the loyalty of the "friendly" local militia group that was supposed to be the first line of defense? What communications were sent and received during the attack? What exactly transpired, in terms of decisions, decision makers and chain of command at the US embassy inTripoli, at the State Department, at Africom and at the White House during the attack? What are the required changes at the various federal agencies and departments to preempt another such attack, or respond to it with timely and effective counterforce? What's ever been done to find and punish the attackers, and why hasn't this justice been effected yet, and made public?
Those are all legitimate questions. If they are not already resolved, then continue with the Congressional panels and hearings. "Knock yourself out."
But what is this continuing nonsense about the talking points, about what Susan Rice said on TV during the weekend following the attack, about the (imaginary) Team Obama "spin machine"..? All that was in the immediate aftermath of the attack.
Would Ambassador Stevens and the other Americans who tried to help be any more alive if Susan Rice had said anything different on TV that weekend--after the attack?
Your "friends" at FOX News and among certain Republicans are still splitting hairs about what was said at that time by Ambassador Rice, Jay Carney, Hillary Clinton, President Obama, and so on. There were violence-attended demonstrations going on at that time in a number of different places, all helped along by agitators who seized on the Internet video. That's why administration officials were making references to the Internet video. The publicly accessible videos, documents and transcripts of interviews with the various people involved are already enough to discredit this "Obama spin machine in action" idea.
This talking points nonsense is a deceptive tactic, very common, of generating confusion and doubt when there shouldn't be any, by setting up theories and conjectures and shading and reinterpreting the words of various actors and reporters. The objective is to create and promote a conspiracy theory that is so nebulous that it cannot be falsified, because it aligns with any possible combination of observable data.
It's the same kind of tactic that is used by the least scientific and most biased partisans on all sides of the various arguments about global warming and changing planetary climates: an example that should especially strike home with the cliffw(s) of this world. Because you have observed and declaimed some of that.
Well said. I only wish I could speak as well as You. Good luck on the fight with the conservative hardliners here. They tend to be loud and numerous. Misinformed, loud and numerous.
Well said. I only wish I could speak as well as You. Good luck on the fight with the conservative hardliners here. They tend to be loud and numerous. Misinformed, loud and numerous.
Well, perhaps your welfare state will win. But you got to get off you lazy added first.
Originally posted by bonzo: Good luck on the fight with the conservative hardliners here. They tend to be loud and numerous. Misinformed, loud and numerous.
Well said. I only wish I could speak as well as You. Good luck on the fight with the conservative hardliners here. They tend to be loud and numerous. Misinformed, loud and numerous.
Ah yes another low information liberal. Nothing to say other than an ad hominem attack. Way to go you just got several point on the Huffington Post attack screen.
When will there be a Liberal or a Democrat that actually cares about the lies and pathetic abuse of power by this administration?
At least today 6 Democrats actually voted to hold Lois Lerner in contempt. It is a start, but pretty weak.
. I can only conclude that you are happy with the present regime and the flavor of politics it represents. It will be interesting to see how many political threads you post in when the Repugnants gain power.
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