Glock, hands down. I've seen them buried in mud, more or less rinsed off and fired over and over. I'd trust a Glock underwater, in the sand or in outer space, too.
For reliability & ease-of-service, I'll take a revolver everytime. Which one would you trust in mud?
Glock
Boonie you know how much I hate imported cars and products and if I am willing to trust my life with an imported pistol you know its good. Try one, send a few thousand rounds threw it and tell me you don't, I have never had any of ours jam, misfire, in any situation. I have seen videos of them frozen in a block of ice by one of those Russian gun nuts, shot out of the block of ice and still fire.
as said, I would trust it in the mud, underwater, frozen solid, even in outer space.
ever see a revolver cylinder not line up quite right?
"We get hungry in Russia we cook and eat our guns."
Depending upon how you count, a Glock has, something like, 16 moving parts of which about half are subject to only minimal stress. A typical revolver has around a dozen moving parts; any of which, when broken, can lock up the pistol
now what do you say Boonie.
Steve
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Just like he says at the beginning of the video, "the answer to that question is very subjective." That is a fabulous gun, but I prefer the Glock 23 chambered in .40 S&W. It's what is on my hip, right now, as I type this. Just my personal preference, and yes, I would trust it in the mud.
I like revolvers because a misfire doesn't change how I operate the gun. Just keep pulling the trigger. I don't like their (generally) lower capacity. I would like to see a kind of happy medium of a 'belt-in-the-grip-fed' handgun with the capacity of a semi-auto but the simplicity and consistent operation of a revolver.
I will say that I have a ruger sp101 in .357 with a 2 1/4" barrel, and it's not really something I'd use on a regular basis. Maybe aftermarket grips would improve it, but generally I've 'had enough' of firing it after 15 or so rounds. Of course the idea there is an attacker has hopefully 'had enough' after one or two rounds The downside is you don't get much practice when a gun wears you out quickly. I've got a ruger lcr in .22 that I'm very comfortable with because I can go through a whole box of ammo if I have the time.
I like revolvers, but if I can only have 1 handgun for everything, it would have to be something that can be supressed. So that rules out virtually all revolvers. Beyond that, handguns are a compromise and all handgun rounds are underpowered. I'd go with an AR15 or AK47 based pistol in 5.56 or 7.62x39. If I had to stick with handgun rounds, that would have to be a Glock 20. It's the most firepower you can get in a handgun round when # of shots is figured into the equation. I'll take 15 rounds of 10mm over 6 rounds of .44 magnum (or 5 rounds of .500).
I like revolvers, but if I can only have 1 handgun for everything, it would have to be something that can be supressed. So that rules out virtually all revolvers. Beyond that, handguns are a compromise and all handgun rounds are underpowered. I'd go with an AR15 or AK47 based pistol in 5.56 or 7.62x39. If I had to stick with handgun rounds, that would have to be a Glock 20. It's the most firepower you can get in a handgun round when # of shots is figured into the equation. I'll take 15 rounds of 10mm over 6 rounds of .44 magnum (or 5 rounds of .500).
I think Glock's motto says it all,
"Glock, Perfection."
I have had a lot of guns over the years, long guns, revolvers, shotguns, semiautomatics from a lot of manufacturers and if I have to pick one that I would bet my life on it would be any of the Glock line. for capacity, reliability, dependability, and more. sure a pretty shiny, revolver is cute but cute doesn't get the job done, sometimes you need a pit-bull to get the gob done, I'll take the pit bull of hand guns over cute and shiny any day of the week. I have had some beautiful guns over the years, most of that is just cosmetics and has no baring on how dependable a gun is, sure revolvers are simpler, that really doesn't make them more dependable, but as said in one of my previous posts, any one of those less parts brakes and you basically have a club.
You don't take a club to a gun fight!
And if you have a problem with a Glock,
Steve
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Urban : Glock, XD, reliable 1911 (ruger sr1911 or RIA with FMJ) Rural: .357 or 44 mag
If you are rural or frequently in both areas, the .357 would be a better choice. 9mm or .40 glock is not going to put down a black bear, might put down a mountain lion, but i rather have a .357 if my life is on the line. Urban areas the extra capacity is more a issue, and the auto loader wins hands down.
That has got to weight a ton, can you even hold that with one hand?
I don't know who the guy is in the first video or any of the others or if they are even the same guy but I think he is not exactly an expert by any form, or he just likes to contradict himself because I believe the first video and the last one I posted are both the same guy, aren't they?
Springfield XD(M) .45ACP 5.25" barrel and a 13+1 capacity. A family member has one, and my dad has all of the XD's in at least 1 caliber. They all will feed anything regardless of conditions. (Dirt, ice, water, cheap nickel casing Silver Bear ammo, Winchester white box, Blazer, Hornady's, Remington's, etc. Everything we've put through them they've fired without even an inkling of hesitation.)
After watching the video:
I have never found myself in a situation where 'penetration with extreme prejudice' with a fireaam was necessary, and the possibility of me ever finding myself in that situation is so slim as to be non-existent. My opinion above stands.
And for the record, I'm seriously not a fan of Glocks.
That has got to weight a ton, can you even hold that with one hand?
In what world are you trying to accurately shoot a pistol with one hand? Regardless of caliber or magazine capacity, that's just asinine.
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I don't know who the guy is in the first video or any of the others or if they are even the same guy but I think he is not exactly an expert by any form, or he just likes to contradict himself because I believe the first video and the last one I posted are both the same guy, aren't they?
Expert? Maybe not, but he's definitely knowledgable. And regarding the intent of the videos posted, I think the intent of each video was different. He was speaking to the best all around sidearm vs the best sidearm. If you actually paid attention to the first video, almost all of his praise went to the cartridge, with a little on the side for the firearm and the video you posted was by and large talking about the firearm itself with a little on the side for the cartridge. Similar, yet different.
Originally posted by Rallaster: In what world are you trying to accurately shoot a pistol with one hand? Regardless of caliber or magazine capacity, that's just asinine.
Ok first of all that was not my question now was it?
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Originally posted by 84fiero123:
That has got to weight a ton, can you even hold that with one hand?
Steve
No it wasn't, can you fire a pistol with one hand? sure, can you be accurate, sure if you practice, practice, practice. but do I ? NO, Never said I did nor do I ever! And never said I did or was that my question.
Colt 1911. ...reliable enough for the military. ...still easily concealed.
For the most part, the military (assuming you're referring to the US military) hasn't issued a 1911 in 20 years. I'm just assuming you're kidding about the "easily concealed" part. I carry a Glock 22 (large frame .40) and the 1911 dwarfs it. That's one of the reasons they went with the Beretta.
For the most part, the military (assuming you're referring to the US military) hasn't issued a 1911 in 20 years. I'm just assuming you're kidding about the "easily concealed" part. I carry a Glock 22 (large frame .40) and the 1911 dwarfs it. That's one of the reasons they went with the Beretta.
The 1911 has been in use by the US military continuously since first adopted. It was replaced in 1985 by the Beretta M9 as the "standard" issue pistol, but was still issued to other groups. The Marines have recently re-adpoted the 1911 as their service pistol in the Colt M45A1 CQBP.
Walther P99AS 9mm. 15 round capacity, and ammo that can be found anywhere when there isn't a shortage, in most countries. Superb trigger, and extraordinary ergonomics. After using it for a while, I actually prefer the lever-type magazine release to the button style.
I don't like the Glock trigger, and absolutely HATE the Glock ergonomics. Almost as bad as an old Russian Tokarev.
I know a 5'2" girl, 105 pnds that carries her conceal carry 1911 in her back waistband.
It can be done and many people do it; however, as a 1911 owner I can attest that carrying a 3lb hunk of steel and lead on your hip gets old after a while. Aluminum models are much lighter and easier to carry. The key is to have something that's comfortable enough that you carry it all the time. Next time you run into your friend, as her if she has her 1911 on her then. In many cases, they're only carried occasionally.
The most awesome gun in the world is useless if you leave it at home. A Keltec PF9 in your hand has far more power than the .45 on your night stand.
Originally posted by RWDPLZ: I don't like the Glock trigger, and absolutely HATE the Glock ergonomics.
I wonder what the usable lifespan (for a gunframe) of "polymer" (Nylon 6) is...verses a steelframe gun? I guess we'll know in 200 years...I mean, they have fired steel gunframe guns that old, right? Or even older?
Will plastic do that? Fireable?
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for capacity, reliability, dependability, and more. sure a pretty shiny, revolver is cute but cute doesn't get the job done, sometimes you need a pit-bull to get the gob done, I'll take the pit bull of hand guns over cute and shiny any day of the week. I have had some beautiful guns over the years, most of that is just cosmetics and has no baring on how dependable a gun is, sure revolvers are simpler, that really doesn't make them more dependable, but as said in one of my previous posts, any one of those less parts brakes and you basically have a club.
I WANT ONE! 
