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School shooting: Any wagers on the delay to more calls for more gun control? by Rallaster
Started on: 06-10-2014 01:33 PM
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Report this Post06-11-2014 10:46 PM Click Here to See the Profile for KhwSend a Private Message to KhwEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Considering they are withholding the shooters identity until his family is notified, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume he was still a minor.

That being said, and considering the age restrictions on the purchase of firearms,

Newf, how is more stringent background checks going to help when a lot of these school shootings are carried out by minors who are not legally allowed to purchase or own a firearm?


According to news today, the shooter was 15 years old and was armed with a rifle, pistol and knife. So age now being confirmed and Federal law being what it is where the minimum age to purchase or own a firearm is 18 for a rifle or 21 for a pistol. We now know the possesion of the weapons by this teenager was illegal.

So again Newf I ask: "How is more stringent background checks going to help when a lot of these school shootings are carried out by minors who are not legally allowed to purchase or own a firearm?"

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I recently stopped by my old high school. I graduated in 2002. School I graduated from is in a higher class society. Lots of high income and and school standards make the school one of the top in the state for a public school system. When I stopped by just in passing wanted to see what the school looked like since they had done another expansion almost increasing size by another 1/3. When I was graduating they had started to install a camera at the main entrance. Now as I went by every entrance is monitored all doors are marked doors locked at all times proceed to main entrance to enter. At the main entrance is a call box with camera. To get in to the school you press the button and they verify who you are and then buzz you in. I was amazed at the level of security they have implemented into the school. I understand its 12 years but wow a school and neighbor hood that has had almost zero violent crimes has turned there school almost into a prison. They have also worked on the parking lots so that all traffic has to exit the same way so that all the different lots flow together into one exit.
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Report this Post06-14-2014 10:27 AM Click Here to See the Profile for carnut122Send a Private Message to carnut122Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Why turn it political when you can turn a profit? We're losing 2 classroom teaching positions at my school, but somehow the new full time cop position is supposed to make me feel better when I have 34 students in my classes. Maybe I can get one of these in an adult size?

Sales Of Bulletproof Blankets Beat Maker's 'Wildest Expectations'
The Huffington Post | By Kevin Short


The alarming rate of school shootings across the country appears to have added an unsettling new item to parents' list of "back to school" items: bulletproof armor for their children. Among such items, the Bodyguard Blanket, a portable, bulletproof covering for children, has seen its sales exceed its manufacturer's expectations in less than two weeks on the market.

Stan Schone, managing partner at manufacturer ProTecht, told The Huffington Post that consumer response to the product has "far exceeded our wildest expectations" in the 10 days that the blanket has been available for purchase.

As reported first in the Oklahoman, the blanket was conceived to protect children during natural disasters. The blanket is made "with the same bullet resistant materials that shield our soldiers in battle," according to one advertisement. In the event of a tornado -- or shooting -- children can wrap themselves in the blanket in a duck-and-cover position to shield from bullets, debris or other projectiles.

"We have been contacted by several private and public schools that have shown great interest and by many concerned parents wanting to purchase them as well," Schone wrote in an email to HuffPost. "Private sales have been very spirited and far greater than anticipated." Schone did not respond to follow-up requests for further details.

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With a hefty price tag of $1,000 each, the Bodyguard Blanket poses a considerable expense for public schools, which spent an average of about $11,000 nationally per student in 2010-11, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. While acknowledging that the blankets represent a "significant investment," Schone argued that it's ultimately more cost effective than building safe rooms or tornado shelters.

Steve Walker, who came up with the idea for the blankets, told the Oklahoman, "By no means would we ever say that this is more protective ... but when you have budget constraints, this might be a viable alternative."

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"If mass shootings weren't such an integrated part of our culture, you'd think this was an SNL skit or an Onion article," Caroline Moss of Business Insider wrote of the product.

A melodramatic video for Bodyguard appears to capitalize on the disturbing trend of school shootings, warning viewers that "crazed gunmen have entered our schools prepared to kill our children and teachers."

Schone told the Oklahoman that the blanket passed a National Institute of Justice Class 3A test, which rates police body armor against projectiles, "including 9 mm and .22-caliber bullets."

Manufacturers of bulletproof backpacks and school supplies also say they have seen increases in sales in communities after school shootings, despite the general opinion of safety experts that such products are often ineffective and costly.

"We could cut the death rate in half in our schools with things like good student supervision and better drill processes," Michael Dorn, executive director of Safe Havens International, a school safety advisory group, told NBC News.
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"We could cut the death rate in half in our schools with things like good student supervision and better drill processes," Michael Dorn, executive director of Safe Havens International, a school safety advisory group, told NBC News.


Sounds a awful lot like thoughtful analysis, planning, and responsibility are required. That just goes too far, if you ask me.

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"Including Tuesday's incident at a high school in Troutdale, Oregon, 74 school shootings have taken place in the approximately 18 months since the Dec. 14, 2012, Newtown shooting. The average school year typically lasts about 180 days, which means there have been roughly 270 school days, or 54 weeks, of class since the shooting at Newtown. With 74 total incidents over that period, the nation is averaging well over a shooting per school week.

The data maintained by Everytown for Gun Safety . . .

http://www.huffingtonpost.c...wtown_n_5480209.html



This so called statistic is a fraud.

The list provided by Everytown included criminals who managed to get themselves shot near schools, shootings that occurred in school parking lots after hours, accidents, suicides, and of course gang violence. The latter is an example of a tactic dishonestly used by gun-control propagandists for years – they love to portray gang fights as “children” getting killed by guns.

Johnson also highlighted a “school shooting” that never actually happened, and one that appears to have been a case of self-defense, in which a 24-year-old man used a gun to fend off multiple twenty-something attackers, who were beating him with a pool cue.
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Report this Post06-19-2014 08:10 AM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
"Everytown" is Bloombergs "Mayors Against Illegal Guns".........just repackaged and renamed.
Same old BS statistics though.
Liars lie.
That never changes.......
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Report this Post06-19-2014 09:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
As these threads go on and facts come to light, the opposition view seems to just stop posting.
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Report this Post06-19-2014 09:57 AM Click Here to See the Profile for heybjornSend a Private Message to heybjornEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
You can't change gun nut minds, 2.5, no matter what facts you use, so they don't bother.

Oh, wait, the gun facts are on our side.
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This so called statistic is a fraud.

The list provided by Everytown included criminals who managed to get themselves shot near schools, shootings that occurred in school parking lots after hours, accidents, suicides, and of course gang violence. The latter is an example of a tactic dishonestly used by gun-control propagandists for years – they love to portray gang fights as “children” getting killed by guns.

Johnson also highlighted a “school shooting” that never actually happened, and one that appears to have been a case of self-defense, in which a 24-year-old man used a gun to fend off multiple twenty-something attackers, who were beating him with a pool cue.


I was just passing it on as it seemed pertinent to the thread. Thanks for clarifying.
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Some Liberal commentary on that 74 school shootings since Sandy Hook figure...

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how is more stringent background checks going to help when a lot of these school shootings are carried out by minors who are not legally allowed to purchase or own a firearm?


Easy. The less guns are in circulation, the more unlikely for a minor to get their hands on them. However, in the US with over 300 million guns in circulation it probably doesn't even matter anymore.
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Easy. The less guns are in circulation, the more unlikely for a minor to get their hands on them. However, in the US with over 300 million guns in circulation it probably doesn't even matter anymore.


Really, so you have figures on how many gun permits or sales are turned down after a failed background check? I don't think they catch many, and not because of the system but because people that can't pass won't bother applying, and never have..

You might also hear people say things like "if it saves just on child" it is worth it" Not just guns but a plethora of other doofus agenda minded
subjects. Well it is not worth it.
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Here in California its obvious the Democrats goal is to make gun ownership so difficult that all but the most enthusiastic sportsman will just give up on the idea.
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