I remember in my early days on PFF, wondering if the person whose username was MaryJane was a female. Thats the thing it takes time to get to know people here, even then, we know them online til we meet in person.
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I remember in my early days on PFF, wondering if the person whose username was MaryJane was a female. Thats the thing it takes time to get to know people here, even then, we know them online til we meet in person.
You would think that people who had been here any amount of time might know who he is.
People who throw out the drug user accusations in a feeble attempt to shore up their indefensible positions are weak minded and are too self absorbed to realize they already lost.
Typical, that is about what I expext from Mrs pot head.
This thread had nothing to to with pot or laws about using drugs until you turned it in to another one of your Drugs are evil threads.... Is that all you think about?. Maybe you should smoke a joint and relax
This thread had nothing to to with pot or laws about using drugs until you turned it in to another one of your Drugs are evil threads.... Is that all you think about?. Maybe you should smoke a joint and relax
No, not all I think about. And yes drugs are evil.
Maryjane, I guess I have been dwelling on our difference and negative issues that have been beaten dead time and time in the past. I am going to offer you my apologies and to those that have also been at odds with me. We have differing opinions, but I am sure we can find much more in common.
Maryjane, I guess I have been dwelling on our difference and negative issues that have been beaten dead time and time in the past. I am going to offer you my apologies and to those that have also been at odds with me. We have differing opinions, but I am sure we can find much more in common.
Well siad, Rick......as per Charlie Daniels, applied to PFF
"We might do a little fighting amongst ourselves, but you outside folks best leave us alone"
You quoted me, so do I at least get a reason for the reference?
I am disappointed to you didn't reference me as your forum appointed drug addict in both written and spoken form. Seems Maryjane has taken over my spot. Damn. I thought I had achieved something. Fame is fleeting.
Get it now?
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I am disappointed to you didn't reference me as your forum appointed drug addict in both written and spoken form. Seems Maryjane has taken over my spot. Damn. I thought I had achieved something. Fame is fleeting.
Get it now?
Sorry to disappoint you, and no I am not going to adorn you with the negativism you seem to want. It was actually your comment that made me realize how negative I have been. Thank You.
Sorry to disappoint you, and no I am not going to adorn you with the negativism you seem to want. It was actually your comment that made me realize how negative I have been. Thank You.
You're welcome. But you did call me a drug addict in both written and spoken word. It's a perfect example of how you resort to insults when you don't get your way. Simple, clear and demonstrated. So my little joke about Maryjane might appear obtuse to you but it's pointed directly at that. If you are going to work on your negativity, think first. There is more impact from your words than you seem to realize.
Are you asking me if this shooting was wrong? My answer is yes. Are you asking me if the COPs should be investigated? My answer is yes. Are you asking me what form of action should take place? This is where you wont like what I have to say (gust guessing ). I have two answers, 1 personal and another professional. My personal opinion is that I would not want to work with loose cannons like that so they should not be working there any more. Without going through the obvious I will say that nobody will want to risk their job on this happening again. My professional opinion is that I have not seen the results of the investigation, so the reasonable thing to do is stay quiet as a mouse.
it is not all cops or even most cops that are the problem it is the 1% who are the loose cannon's
THE PROBLEM IS THERE IS NO ACTIVE WAY TO GET YOUR LOOSE CANNON'S OUT OF POLICE WORK QUIET WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM
WORSE CASE THE COP GET FIRED PICKS A NEW CITY OR COUNTY OR STATE OR EVEN FED JOB AND IS BACK AS A WELL ARMED LOOSE CANNON SOME PLACE ELSE LIKELY BEFORE HIS VACATION OR SICK TIME RUNS OUT
CONVICTIONS are the only way and are so rare to be a bad joke that is why QUIET AID'S AND ABETS BAD COPS
SHOOT A COP YOU GO TO JAIL cop shoots you the COP NEVER GOES ANYWHERE [except to a new job worse case] FAIR ?
It's not the hiring that is an issue. It's the retention of "loose cannons" (keeping them on the force) that is the problem--or part of it anyway. The current trend, even in the most controversial events, even if the internal and civilian investigative analysis determined that the officers broke departmental protocol, is to keep them employed in the same department,and give them "more training". This needs to change. (this is what the final outcome was in the shooting of 2 newspaper ladies during the manhunt for the murderer Christopher Dorner.) The Police Chief described the shooting only as a "tragic misinterpretation"and he had several options regarding how to deal with the 8 officers---which range the gamut.
The police chief said Tuesday that state law prohibits him from discussing punishment for individual officers. "Discipline could be anywhere from extensive retraining up to termination," according to Beck.
He chose to retain the officers and give them more training. To the public, this sends the message of the old "staid and silent blue line" protecting their own.
Officers DO get fired for misconduct, but it is very very rare and it usually takes an action outside the Department to make it happen. In the case of the Hearne Texas policeman who shot and killed the 93 year old woman, the Texas Rangers did the ivestigation, found the officer was in violatation of policy, and the City Council had to vote and demand that the officer be fired. He was. This shooting, was the officer's second. The first one went to the grand jury and they no billed him, and I'm good with that. Grand jury is the same procedure all the rest of us get. The officer will now go in front of the grand jury a second time. If they also no bill, I'm also good with it. http://www.dallasnews.com/n...3-year-old-woman.ece
Most of us, myself included, have great respect for the very high % of police officers in their dedication and performance every day in thier jobs. They are are volunteers trying to do a difficult job, but for that very low % of bad officers, the public has no respect or support.
IF, all police shootings were to go in front of a grand jury just as most shootings by civilians do, then most of us would be fine with the Grand Jury's decision. We might not fully agree with the decision, but we don't always agree with Grand Jury decisions in civilian matters either, but it would go a LONG ways toward dispelling the perception that police officers are getting special treatment. Grand Juries don't decide guilt or innocence--they soimply decide if there is enough evidence to go to a 12 panel jury trial, and the regular jury does not get the minutes or evidence that took place in Grand Jury proceedings--Grand Juries are secretive. Unless the defendant himself opens the door to grand jury testimony nothing that took place in Grand Jury makes it's way into a full trial--that is law.
In my department every "deadly use of force" is reviewed by a board consisting of members outside the department. Every use of force less than lethal is also reviewed by a panel, but by high ranking members within the department. It is very easy to get fired for excessive use of force in this department.
rayb: I chalange you to prove what you just said. At least in CA, a gun "issue" gets you on the do not hire list. What State will hire a loose cannon?
MOST MANY NEARLY ALL STATES WILL ESP AT THE CITY COUNTY LEVEL
IT SAVES THE COST OF TRAINING AND ACADEMY TO THE CITY/COUNTY
I do not know about CA only fla but it is very very common for bad cops to just go down the road and out of how many civilian shooting do cops get on the no hire list ? 1 in a 100 ? or 1 in a 1000 ? 8 cops above in MJ's Dorner case NONE FIRED OR ON THE LIST i BET THAT IS NOT AN EXCEPTION BUT IS STANDARD PROCEDURE !!!!!!!! GETTING ON THAT LIST IS THE VERY VERY RARE EXCEPTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOOD COPS BEING QUIET IS THE MAJOR PROBLEM LONG ''INVESTIGATIONS'' IS THE PROBLEM NO CONVICTIONS NO FIRINGS NOT ON THE LIST IS THE PROBLEM
MY SOLUTION IS SIMPLE KILL A CITIZEN or wound a citizen [not a criminal] NEVER BE A COP AGAIN any where any time
btw what is the real number of citizens killed each year by cops I bet it is way over 100 to 1 cop shot maybe 1000 to 1 but they list every cop shot BUT NEVER TOTAL UP CITIZEN KILLED BY COPS ON A STATE OR NATIONAL LEVEL THEY ARE HIDING SOMETHING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
------------------ Question wonder and be wierd are you kind?
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ray b, there is no actual " list" that is a figure of speech. CA has an extensive background checks and if they have an issue with guns, they just wont get the job. I am not sure what you say about transfers is true? But I do agree that to some degree the "good ol boy" system exists in EVERY profession, not just in law enforcement.
In my department every "deadly use of force" is reviewed by a board consisting of members outside the department. Every use of force less than lethal is also reviewed by a panel, but by high ranking members within the department. It is very easy to get fired for excessive use of force in this department.
Who decides who the members are, of that review board? Elected? Appointed?
If appointed, then by whom?
IOW, what is the process to become a review member?
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By Executive Order, Mayor Parker created the new Independent Police Oversight Board (IPOB) to have community involvement in various aspects of Houston Police Department services. The panel consists of 29 members appointed by the mayor, reflecting the demographic and geographic diversity of the city. Members are experts in criminal justice, including retired judges and prosecutors, civil rights attorneys and academic experts or scholars.
The IPOB has unfettered access to all records and police department data and the full cooperation of HPD. Duties include:
review all internal affairs investigations involving allegations of excessive force or the discharge of firearms and other major incidents review all disciplinary cases and make its own recommendations to the chief of police regarding discipline review and make recommendations to the police chief and mayor regarding the hiring of new police officers, training on proper treatment of citizens, evaluation of officer conduct and community concerns relating to police misconduct report findings to the Mayor, Chief of Police, and Council Public Safety Committee obtain public input through community outreach initiatives.
But, they can only make reccomendations and have no subpoena power. They get only what HPD gives them, along with any other involved person's testimony. Final discretion is left up to the HPD police chief, same as it was with LAPD's Chief Beck in the pickup truck shooting.
