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What's the latest “Buzz” in the motorcycle world? by williegoat
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http://www.asphaltandrubber...dson-debut-tomorrow/

 
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Harley-Davidson has just posted a video to its YouTube, which teases a new model coming tomorrow, June 19th, 2014. The video itself is devoid of any information, with a sole blurred motorcycle jetting past a Route 66 sign. The only hint we have on what to expect is the unmistakable sound of .......

....not what I expected.


http://project.harley-davidson.com/

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Never been much of a HD fan, but I'll admit I'm curious.
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I'd love to buy an HD if, HD would make some thing I wanted. I'm not going to bash HD, some folks really like the products. They have a great following and have done a wonderful marketing job, give credit where it's due. They have some of the coolest after market products/clothing and leather stuff out there. When they build and sell a motorcycle that's as good as my Valkyrie, I'll go back to their show room.

Eventually, HD is gonna have to move forward on water cooled engines. They're toying with it now but, IMHO, it's a fore gone conclusion, it's coming. The EPA will make sure they comply. I've got an opinion on how HD can come into the 21st Century but, that'll involve getting rid of the V Twin. Not sure that's ever going to happen. I am really not trying to bash HD, I ride with some great HD folks.

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Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?

My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug

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Eventually, HD is gonna have to move forward on water cooled engines. They're toying with it now but, IMHO, it's a fore gone conclusion, it's coming. The EPA will make sure they comply. I've got an opinion on how HD can come into the 21st Century but, that'll involve getting rid of the V Twin. Not sure that's ever going to happen. I am really not trying to bash HD, I ride with some great HD folks.



H-D makes three different water cooled bikes now; the V-rod, the Street 750/500 and of course the Mt Rushmore big twins; and I think that the electric bike is a pretty bold move into the 21st century.
I am not the kind of guy who worships Harley, but I will always root for the Americans.

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http://indefinitelywild.giz...cle-means-1592983608

You're looking at the first-ever electric Harley-Davidson motorcycle, coming to a showroom near you sometime in 2016. Here's what the LiveWire means for motorcycles, America and the future.

First, we should emphasize that "Project LiveWire," as you see it here, is not a production motorcycle. It's a rolling test bed not for technology, but to gauge customer reaction and slowly introduce people to the idea of an electric Harley.

Having said that, production of a bike like this is inevitable. Electric motivation has so many performance advantages over Internal Combustion engines, that even Harley can't ignore the technology for long. Motorcycle.com — an authoritative source for motorcycle industry insight and reviews — says we should expect a production LiveWire in 2016.

It's probably a good thing that the bike we see here isn't the final production model. While it looks admittedly awesome, its performance specs are distinctly…unimpressive.

According to Harley, the LiveWire's AC Induction motor makes 74bhp and 52lb-ft of torque. That's enough to give it a 0-60 time of less than four seconds, but only a disappointing 92mph top speed. Even less encouraging is the range, which stands at just 53 miles. No other specs are available at this time.

To put those numbers into perspective, the Sportster 883 — The Motor Company's cheapest American-made motorcycle — makes 54lb-ft of torque. While the single-speed LiveWire will develop its max torque from 0rpm, it's basically locked in 4th gear, where the Sportster is able to use its five gears to multiply accelerative force at the rear wheel. Expect outright performance from the two bikes to be similar.

The LiveWire is, of course, left in the dust of other electric motorcycles currently on-sale. The Zero Motorcycles SR makes 106lb-ft, for example, while the $59,000 Mission RS will reach 150mph and is the fastest production motorcycle currently on-sale, by lap times and in real world riding conditions. Both those bikes hail from the Bay Area.

Harley is very proud of LiveWire's soundtrack, which it describes as, "Fighter jet on aircraft carrier."

"Project LiveWire is just one element in our efforts to preserve and renew the freedom to ride for generations to come," states Matt Levatich, Harley's President and COO. The bike you see here is intended to both ease existing customers into the idea of an electric HOG, while tempting a new generation of rider with the promise of one.

"It is an intelligent move that will allow Harley to dip their toe into the eVehicle pond, stake a claim in it, then take their time with an actual saleable product rollout as they continue to evaluate the viability of the segment," explains Motorcycle.com's editorial director, Sean Alexander. "They'll be able to claim that they were the first major manufacturer to go beyond the scooter level with an electric. It's also a pretty smart move to complement their existing efforts to appeal to millennials."

Marc Fenigstein, the CEO of Bay Area electric motorcycle startup BRD is similarly impressed. "After shedding Buell and MV Agusta, I assumed Harley didn't have the desire to take capital or brand risks on product expansion," he tells us. "But, this is an even riskier move than the [India-made] Street 500 and 750. And, it's been done pretty well; it's clean, functional and on-brand."

What does Harley's entry into the electric motorcycle space mean for startups like BRD? "The big kids dabbling in this space validates it for us upstarts," Marc explains. "Done right, this could change a lot of minds about what defines a motorcycle."

As an expert on the topic, with two production electric motorcycles of his own just over the horizon, we also showed Marc these pictures and asked him to help us figure out what's going on under the LiveWire's skin.

"The AC induction motor [designed with input from Mission Motors] is mounted transversely, a la the Moto Guzzi V-Twin or BMW boxer. That gives it the distinctive 'shotgun' look below the [Lithium-Ion] battery. Chances are, the bevel drive to the countershaft sprocket is what's producing that distinctive 'fighter jet' sound. The transverse format allows them to package a relatively long motor into a slim chassis and makes their electric motor a celebrated and distinctive feature, similar to their V-Twin being the central feature and brand statement in their gas bikes."

"Speculating on performance will get me into trouble, particularly without a weight spec," continues Marc. "Generally speaking, power cruisers are a great application for electric if you can convince that customer to try them. Often, these are bikes that live in a city, racing stoplight to stoplight. They travel relatively short distances at low speeds and live for the drags, something which doesn't require a lot of battery and electric motors do very, very well."

I'll reiterate that I think they did a great job in design," Marc concludes. "Such a sensitive legacy can be a crushing constraint on a product that needs to communicate 'future.' The Harley team managed to make something that is distinctively a Harley-Davidson, but nothing about it feels retro or outdated. I'm also glad to see some relatively aggressive steering angles and riding position. Should be really fun to ride!"

Between now and production, Harley plans to tour the LiveWire around the country, giving test rides and soliciting rider feedback. That'll kick off with a road trip down Route 66.

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LiveWire download music site copyright infringement rights?
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Originally posted by williegoat:
but I will always root for the Americans.


I have no doubt about that Willie but, I'm confused as to how that applies to this discussion.

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Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?

My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug

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Just dont be seen by a bunch of real bikers. They might hurt your little vacuum cleaner.

( not that i'm against electric mind you.. )
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I been thinking about one of those "cross-country" lookin' BMW bikes.

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Originally posted by Boondawg:

I been thinking about one of those "cross-country" lookin' BMW bikes.



This would be more my speed. ( there is another, but i cant find a picture of it. .It was a 'ambulance bike' i saw a picture of in an 70's popular mechanics magazine. )



hey, its got a matching car now...

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This would be more my speed. ( there is another, but i cant find a picture of it. .It was a 'ambulance bike' i saw a picture of in an 70's popular mechanics magazine. )



Yeah, I like it, but that's prolly' more then the $20,000 the Beemer is...
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One big question to me is what the range is for a cross country electric motocycle. Not a lot of real estate for much of a battery pack. Not so much fun if you have to stop every hour for a 4 hour charge.
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One big question to me is what the range is for a cross country electric motocycle. Not a lot of real estate for much of a battery pack. Not so much fun if you have to stop every hour for a 4 hour charge.


I was think it said 130 miles or so per ( several hour ) charge. But, its a prototype to gauge interest, not a production model...
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I am just happy to see H-D try something completely different. I was very disappointed when they shut down Buell.
As it stands right now, If you want to buy American, your choices are comparatively limited; and if the Moco doesn't reach beyond it's traditional market, we will soon loose another American icon. I'm still deeply depressed over the untimely demise of Pontiac.
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RANGE:
HD LiveWire- Up to 53mi.
Mission R/RS- 105mi-140mi
Zero Motorcycles- 171/88 City/Highway

Price:
HD LiveWire- ?????
Mission R/RS- $32,499/$58,999
Zero Motorcycles- $12,955


Don't think I'll be buying one soon... Plus add the Harley name mark-up... I bet this thing falls around the $20,000+ mark.
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I would be interested if it could 100 miles and charge in 2.5 hours.

That would cover my bases for 99 % and frankly the 1% isn't why I ride. I hate long bike trips without stops.

Hurts my butt.
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An electric bike is great if all you want to do is run to the corner store once in a while. I tend to think a 100 mile trip is just a good start so an electric bike wouldn't do me any good.
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i had wondered how the electric HD would sound. I imagined them amplifying the high pitched noise of the electric motor. Turns out I was right. Sounds OK in a fly-by but cruising for an hour hearing that high pitched sound would drive me crazy.
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Originally posted by williegoat:

I am just happy to see H-D try something completely different. I was very disappointed when they shut down Buell.
As it stands right now, If you want to buy American, your choices are comparatively limited; and if the Moco doesn't reach beyond it's traditional market, we will soon loose another American icon. I'm still deeply depressed over the untimely demise of Pontiac.


H-D is an American Icon, that I agree with. But, H-D parts are not all American. Go to your local parts counter and ask where those parts are made. Look around their show rooms, H-D is as American as Walmart. I'm not flaming H-D, I ride with H-D riders all the time but, some of them have consumed way too much of the H-D Kool Aide.

I also wish Pontiac was still around but, the truth is, if enough Pontiacs had sold, they would be. If enough Fieros had sold, they'd still be coming off of the assembly line. Buell was a good bike but, the rules of capitalism still apply, They didn't sell enough to stay competitive. I hate to think that someday we'll all be driving Mini-Coopers or Fiats but, we vote with out wallets and we get what we pay for.

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Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?

My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug

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