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America is an Islamic country....REALLY? by MidEngineManiac
Started on: 07-06-2014 10:53 PM
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And here I thought you guys were friends and all for freedom....

http://www.breitbart.com/Bi...s-an-Islamic-Country
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This Mohammed Elibiary dude, who is an Obama administration appointee, could well be a doofus of considerable stupidity, if all of the statements in the Breitbart column are accurate (and I do not dispute any of it).

What everyone should take away from his comments is that any one may live freely in the U.S. and practice Islam without any conflict with the Constitution that was ratified in 1789, and without any conflict with any laws or restrictions that are derived from the Constitution: i.e., the "laws of the land".

That doesn't include "extracurricular activities" like decapitating someone that a Muslim finds fault with--popular of late with many Muslims around the word--but not permissible within the actual behavioral confines that are prescribed for humans by Islam.

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Jesus was a prophet of Islam, accordingly to the followers of that religion.

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NBC News "Meet the Press"

Brief (2 minute +) video segment focusing on July 4 and large Muslim American community in Dearborn

The Muslim cleric is up first. His comments carried the most weight (for me) in this very brief segment.

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet...ims-michigan-n149081
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Originally posted by Wichita:

Jesus was a prophet of Islam, accordingly to the followers of that religion.


Yet they dont believe what Jesus said.
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quote
Originally posted by rinselberg:

This Mohammed Elibiary dude, who is an Obama administration appointee, could well be a doofus of considerable stupidity, if all of the statements in the Breitbart column are accurate (and I do not dispute any of it).

What everyone should take away from his comments is that any one may live freely in the U.S. and practice Islam without any conflict with the Constitution that was ratified in 1789, and without any conflict with any laws or restrictions that are derived from the Constitution: i.e., the "laws of the land".

That doesn't include "extracurricular activities" like decapitating someone that a Muslim finds fault with--popular of late with many Muslims around the word--but not permissible within the actual behavioral confines that are prescribed for humans by Islam.



One point everyone should also take away from this is that 0bama's top Homeland Security advisor "could well be a doofus of considerable stupidity."
That's not the best of qualifications for someone in a position to affect the safety and security of millions of people.
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Yet they dont believe what Jesus said.


Good for them. Now they only have to stop believing the other imaginary stuff and things may get better.
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Originally posted by Formula88:


One point everyone should also take away from this is that 0bama's top Homeland Security advisor "could well be a doofus of considerable stupidity."
That's not the best of qualifications for someone in a position to affect the safety and security of millions of people.


I agree.
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A leaky faucet will eventually overflow a sink...
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Report this Post07-07-2014 10:12 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by yellowstone:


Good for them. Now they only have to stop believing the other imaginary stuff and things may get better.


I actually think they would be better off if they thought a little more about things Jesus taught.

"Love one another", for example.

"Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered"

"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

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Originally posted by Formula88:


One point everyone should also take away from this is that 0bama's top Homeland Security advisor "could well be a doofus of considerable stupidity."
That's not the best of qualifications for someone in a position to affect the safety and security of millions of people.


He apparently has the same qualifications as Obuma has for the presidency of the US.

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A leaky faucet will eventually overflow a sink...


Not if the drain is unclogged...
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment

First Amendment
first amendment: an overview

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. See U.S. Const. amend. I. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the government for a redress of grievances, and the implied rights of association and belief. The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights. The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted, the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment from interference by state governments. See U.S. Const. amend. XIV.

Two clauses in the First Amendment guarantee freedom of religion. The establishment clause prohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. It enforces the "separation of church and state." Some governmental activity related to religion has been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. For example, providing bus transportation for parochial school students and the enforcement of "blue laws" is not prohibited. The free exercise clause prohibits the government, in most instances, from interfering with a person's practice of their religion.

The most basic component of freedom of expression is the right of freedom of speech. The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without interference or constraint by the government. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for the interference with the right of free speech where it attempts to regulate the content of the speech. A less stringent test is applied for content-neutral legislation. The Supreme Court has also recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence. For more on unprotected and less protected categories of speech see advocacy of illegal action, fighting words, commercial speech and obscenity. The right to free speech includes other mediums of expression that communicate a message. The level of protection speech receives also depends on the forum in which it takes place.

Despite popular misunderstanding the right to freedom of the press guaranteed by the first amendment is not very different from the right to freedom of speech. It allows an individual to express themselves through publication and dissemination. It is part of the constitutional protection of freedom of expression. It does not afford members of the media any special rights or privileges not afforded to citizens in general.

The right to assemble allows people to gather for peaceful and lawful purposes. Implicit within this right is the right to association and belief. The Supreme Court has expressly recognized that a right to freedom of association and belief is implicit in the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments. This implicit right is limited to the right to associate for First Amendment purposes. It does not include a right of social association. The government may prohibit people from knowingly associating in groups that engage and promote illegal activities. The right to associate also prohibits the government from requiring a group to register or disclose its members or from denying government benefits on the basis of an individual's current or past membership in a particular group. There are exceptions to this rule where the Court finds that governmental interests in disclosure/registration outweigh interference with first amendment rights. The government may also, generally, not compel individuals to express themselves, hold certain beliefs, or belong to particular associations or groups.

The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances guarantees people the right to ask the government to provide relief for a wrong through the courts (litigation) or other governmental action. It works with the right of assembly by allowing people to join together and seek change from the government.
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