Put in simpler terms, God Blessed Texas, he did not however promise Texas.
Brad
bible is NOT history it is fiction in real history egypt was an EMPIRE except for brief periods of rebellion all the land in your maps was owned and ruled by egypt not the jews from 2500bce to after 1000 bce
the jews were at best a vassal state not an independent empire/state moses never got in to that area or even left the egyptian EMPIRE and the jews never ruled it for long
Put in simpler terms, God Blessed Texas, he did not however promise Texas.
Brad
That's awesome! My (newly found) religion promises me your house, car and other worldly belongings. Actually, based on a new interpretation of the ancient texts that a winged apparition gave me recently, I'm promised all of Barry County, MO. I'm on my way...
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That's awesome! My (newly found) religion promises me your house, car and other worldly belongings. Actually, based on a new interpretation of the ancient texts that a winged apparition gave me recently, I'm promised all of Barry County, MO. I'm on my way...
If you go about it like the Jews did Israel, go to town man.
Your probably not going to have a good time though, not a lot of anti-Semites around here for you to hang out with.
BTW, did you know that Israel has existed as a Jewish land since before the 3rd century? They have occupied that section of land since before biblical times.
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Jews have lived in this land continuously from the time of its original conquest by Joshua more than 3200 years ago until the present day, though Jews were not always in political control of the land, and Jews were not always the majority of the land's population.... ...Jews were exiled from the land of Israel by the Romans in 135 AD, after they defeated the Jews in a three-year war, and Jews did not have any control over the land again until 1948 AD.
Calling someone an anti-Semite is not trivial and you should at the very least give valid reasons for it. I already refuted your ludicrous accusation in another thread.
So?
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Put in simpler terms, God Blessed Texas, he did not however promise Texas.
Brad
thats the "real" Israel. Thats gone. For a long long time. we are talking about this made up stuff which is there now. and that was NOT given by any God. It was created by the Allies of WW2. and it can go anywhere. so - why not put it somewhere where it will be safe? yes, suggesting Texas was a bit sarcastic. But many in Texas seem to love them Israelis - so - sounds like a fine fit. but - maybe they just love em 'cause they are way over there.
I fully understand the joy of "sticking it" to the locals. Which from what I can tell, is the only reason so many support it - because the locals hate it. anything to piss of "them". Which is why there will NEVER be peace. Which leads to the simple fact that many do not want peace. Armchair coach the other side of the world. blow hard. bluster. BS.
yes, as the topic title says: tired of the stupidity. and that is all this Israel BS is. the joy of putting Bee's in their Turbans.
anti-zionist is not anti-semtic one is a sect of a religion the OTHER is a sub-race of people that inc arabs AND OTHER NON-JEWS
I think it is LOL funny when jewish supporters call arabs anti-semtic
btw I oppose all religions and esp all extremest nuts like zionist or jehadites or even our dear local nut christians who want to bomb clinic's and kill doc's all are rightwing of their local area and religions all are convinced god is on their side all are 100% WRONG
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"anti-zionist is not anti-semtic one is a sect of a religion the OTHER is a sub-race of people that inc arabs AND OTHER NON-JEWS"
Sub-race of people? As in less than people or sub-human? Are you being an elitists or just a plain bigot?
e·lit·ism [ i lée tìzzəm ] 1.belief in concept of superiority: the belief that some people or things are inherently superior to others and deserve preeminence, preferential treatment, or higher rewards because of their superiority 2.belief in control by small group: the belief that government or control should be in the hands of a small group of privileged, wealthy, or intelligent people, or the active promotion of such a system 3.control by small group: government or control by a small, specially qualified, or privileged group
big·ot [ bíggət ]
1.intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views
Calling someone an anti-Semite is not trivial and you should at the very least give valid reasons for it. I already refuted your ludicrous accusation in another thread.
So?
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WORKING DEFINITION OF ANTISEMITISM
Working definition: “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.” In addition, such manifestations could also target the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits. Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to: Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion. Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions. Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews. Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust). Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust. Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations. Examples of the ways in which antisemitism manifests itself with regard to the State of Israel taking into account the overall context could include: Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor. Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation. Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis. Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis. Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries). Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews. Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries.
... That's a location that has a history of Jewish states. The rest of the world, not so much.
That's something else that I see getting ignored a lot in the current debates.
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Jews have lived in this land continuously from the time of its original conquest by Joshua more than 3200 years ago until the present day, though Jews were not always in political control of the land, and Jews were not always the majority of the land's population.
http://www.jewfaq.org/israel.htm It's not like they just showed up in the 40's and said "We are taking this." They have lived there, and have been constantly attacked (like is currently happening) for the past 3,000 years.
People are talking like Jews living in what is called Israel is something new, like they just suddenly decided to take over that part of the world when the opposite is actually true.
What I find nuts is that I'm not religious, I claim Agnostic. I don't have a dog in this hunt. But I can read books, and I can smell a turd when it's laying at my feet. (Sometimes I have to clean the bottom of my shoes off like anyone else though.)
Originally posted by Formula88: If it can go anywhere, why not where it is? That's a location that has a history of Jewish states. The rest of the world, not so much.
and that history was wiped out long ago, and if taxpayers dont keep doling out $$$ to support it, it will be wiped out again. if you want to leave it in a dangerous spot - thats fine. just dont make taxpayers pay for it.
and that history was wiped out long ago, and if taxpayers dont keep doling out $$$ to support it, it will be wiped out again. if you want to leave it in a dangerous spot - thats fine. just dont make taxpayers pay for it.
It's a dangerous spot because Arabs don't like the Jews. If I don't like you - should you move? You have no claim to be where you are. Go somewhere else.
and that history was wiped out long ago, and if taxpayers dont keep doling out $$$ to support it, it will be wiped out again. if you want to leave it in a dangerous spot - thats fine. just dont make taxpayers pay for it.
What do you mean "that history was wiped out long ago" ?
Originally posted by Formula88: It's a dangerous spot because Arabs don't like the Jews. If I don't like you - should you move? You have no claim to be where you are. Go somewhere else.
exactly. go somewhere else. this "new israel" was created roughly 60-70 years ago. there is no claim. they should not have been placed there in the first place. and we taxpayers have no reason to pony up $$$ to support this New Israel.
if they wanna stay - thats fine - but no more taxpayer dollars. thats all I am saying. put it anywhere - but if you want to to survive on its own - somewhere else would be better.
all depends on what you care about - upsetting the arabs or saving the jews.
exactly. go somewhere else. this "new israel" was created roughly 60-70 years ago. there is no claim. they should not have been placed there in the first place. and we taxpayers have no reason to pony up $$$ to support this New Israel.
if they wanna stay - thats fine - but no more taxpayer dollars. thats all I am saying. put it anywhere - but if you want to to survive on its own - somewhere else would be better.
all depends on what you care about - upsetting the arabs or saving the jews.
exactly. go somewhere else. this "new israel" was created roughly 60-70 years ago. there is no claim. they should not have been placed there in the first place. and we taxpayers have no reason to pony up $$$ to support this New Israel.
if they wanna stay - thats fine - but no more taxpayer dollars. thats all I am saying. put it anywhere - but if you want to to survive on its own - somewhere else would be better.
all depends on what you care about - upsetting the arabs or saving the jews.
I started this thread stating that I was tired of us giving tax dollars to both sides of the same fight. You seem extremely one sided right now in that you are only against the money that is going to the Jewish side...
Originally posted by Fats: I started this thread stating that I was tired of us giving tax dollars to both sides of the same fight. You seem extremely one sided right now in that you are only against the money that is going to the Jewish side...
IBF: "Oh, I hate both sides..." Brad
sorry if it sounds like that. I agree I do not want tax dollars going to either side.
I started this thread stating that I was tired of us giving tax dollars to both sides of the same fight. You seem extremely one sided right now in that you are only against the money that is going to the Jewish side...
If that's so I'll just quote my earlier response:
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Originally posted by yellowstone:
I think there's a huge difference between humanitarian aid and military aid. There's also a huge difference between $47 million and $3.1 billion!
"anti-zionist is not anti-semtic one is a sect of a religion the OTHER is a sub-race of people that inc arabs AND OTHER NON-JEWS"
Sub-race of people? As in less than people or sub-human? Are you being an elitists or just a plain bigot?
e·lit·ism [ i lée tìzzəm ] 1.belief in concept of superiority: the belief that some people or things are inherently superior to others and deserve preeminence, preferential treatment, or higher rewards because of their superiority 2.belief in control by small group: the belief that government or control should be in the hands of a small group of privileged, wealthy, or intelligent people, or the active promotion of such a system 3.control by small group: government or control by a small, specially qualified, or privileged group
big·ot [ bíggət ]
1.intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views
sorry if you object to sub- the semtic people are a subdivision of the caucasian race one of the funny points is arabs are far less mixed race then jews are there are black jews and chinese jews so all jews are not semtic also jew is a religion not a race or sub race and zionism is a political division in fact there is no need or requirement to be a jew to be a zionist and I think many who post here and are teaparty christians are zionist's
so no I don't hate people for their race but do dislike some groups for their actions and zionists tend to be VERY NUT-CON so what is there not to dislike ?????
you are JUMPING to false conned-cluesions to twist sub-race in to sub-human both english WASPs and american WASPs are sub-sub races
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I think there's a huge difference between humanitarian aid and military aid. There's also a huge difference between $47 million and $3.1 billion!
I agree completely. They are different. Of course we are also talking about different sized groups, and different needs as well. I don't think we should be giving any money for any reason to people that attack our allies for any reason, or any way (unprovoked.) One can argue that we don't need to give money to Israel either, but I think that's a different subject entirely. I'm talking about giving money to both sides of the fight in any amount, for any reason. One side, understandable. Both sides.... That's messed up.
