The soloution has existed since the 1st live trial in 1945 (that's 69 years ago yesterday)....or fukit, now that Ebola is in the news just drop boatloads of virus in the area and let nature run its course.
"Christianity in Mosul is dead, and a Christian holocaust is in our midst," said Mark Arabo, a Californian businessman and Chaldean-American leader. In an interview with CNN's Jonathan Mann, he called what's happening in Iraq a "Christian genocide" and said "children are being beheaded, mothers are being raped and killed, and fathers are being hung."
"You're startling me with the severity of what you're describing," the CNN host said. "You said they are --- beheading children?"
"They are systematically beheading children," Arabo repeated slowly. "And mothers and fathers. The world hasn't seen an evil like this for generations."
"There's actually a park in Mosul where they actually beheaded children and put their heads on a stick... this is crimes against humanity. They are doing the most horrendous, the most heart-breaking crimes that you can think of."
Mann asked about the ISIS letter sent to Christians in Mosul, demanding that they either convert to Islam, pay a fine or be put to "death by the sword."
"It's very clear they are killing people, but are Christians managing to escape by paying a fine?" he asked.
Arabo reports that after Christians pay the fine, the fighters take the Christian wives and children "and make them their wives - so it's really convert, or die."
"They are absolutely killing every Christian they see," Arabo said of ISIS. "This is absolutely a genocide in every sense of the word. They want everyone to convert, and they want sharia law to be the law of the land."
Fleeing Iraqi Christians find safe haven at Shia Islam's holiest site, the Shrine of Imam Ali in Najaf
By Rahat Husain - - Thursday, July 24, 2014
After the “Islamic State” (IS) issued a threat that all Christians in Mosul must convert, die, or flee, most chose the final option and escaped IS held territory. Heading towards the southern region of Iraq, which is believed to be relatively safe, the Christian community was met with offers of safe haven in the cities of Najaf and Karbala, which house some of the holiest shrines of Shia Islam.
In a statement earlier this week, the shrine of Imam Ali announced that “it is ready to host the Christian families who departed their houses in fear of being killed by what is so called the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant.” The deputy secretary-general of the Holy Shrine, Zuhair Shurba, told IraqiNews(.com) “The Holy Shrine can host many Christian families and provide them all their basic needs.”
Reportedly, the offer is also available to Sunnis, Kurds and all other Iraqis fleeing violence at the hands of ISIS. Following the announcements, the Iraqi city of Basra also opened its facilities to displaced Christians, and is reportedly hosting approximately 100 families from surrounding regions.
The shrine is the site of the final resting place of Imam Ali ibn Abu Talib, son-in-law of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad. According to Sunni belief, Imam Ali served as the fourth and final “righteously guided” Caliph; Shias hold him to be the true successor to the Prophet.
Also inviting refugees is the nearby city of Karbala, home to the shrines of Imam Husain and Abul Fadhl Abbas, two sons of Imam Ali who served as important historical leaders.
Many took to social media to discuss the situation:
Twitter user @Yusr_ wrote “Friends in Karbala say they are staying with relatives and have given up their own homes for Mosul families.
A woman identifying herself as “Mrs Jawad” with the Twitter handle @iraqi_mind, echoed the sentiment, writing “The Road from #najaf to #Karbala is flooding with displaced refugees now using shelter that was built for the visitors of #Arbaeen and #NO2ISIS.
Many of the Muslim families who are hosting displaced Christians speak happily of the experience, recounting the historical story of a band of Muslims, led by the brother of Imam Ali, Jaffar ibn Abu Talib, finding safe haven in Christian controlled Abyssinia.Christianity is mentioned several times in the Qur'an, often times in praiseworthy circumstances, explaining some of the positive sentiment in this circumstance.
“Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve,” Chapter 2, Verse 62 of the Qur'an says.
“…and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, Another citation in Chapter 5, Verse 82 says, “ ‘We are Christians,’ because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.”
That's like the Baptists driving the Muslims out of Europe with the Catholics in Rome giving the Muslims refuge. I don't know how I feel about that parallel.
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So is the UN going to save these children and parents from slaughter?
Well, they DO have to form committees, and have consultations, 1st ya know (ya also DO realize that there is a very good reason "committee", "consultation" and "clusterfrack" all begin with the letter "c")
waiting to see a grinning poster of Saddam Hussein, with the line "Miss Me Yet?" underneath.....
Saddam kept them religious conservatives on short short leashes. may have been a sick bastard - but - he allowed religious freedom in his Iraq.
yes, as we sit on lands that were once populated by folk who would not convert to the incoming oppressive religion so they were rounded up, and most of them killed, and here we sit and judge them. we are living breathing examples of how good this works. If what they are doing is wrong - then what we did in north america is wrong. I am fine to admit that. of course I am. I am here. I do not think anyone should be killed for not worshipping the God of Abraham the right way. I find it even more foolish when these idiots are killing each other for worshipping the same stupid God. At least in N America it was conflicting gods.....
no mention of the other religions being wiped out in Iraq? after all - these are the Holy Lands. There is more than just Jews, Christians & Muslims and their God of Abraham. tho, it is amazing that this God of Abraham so enjoys whatching his followers of different flavors rip each other apart. often with great brutality. what is it about his followers which makes them so inhuman and eager to kill?
so, in the end - yes - I agree - religious conservatives are a dangerous bunch and need to be kept in check. especially those who follow the God of Abraham.
Originally posted by Pyrthian: ... Saddam kept them religious conservatives on short short leashes. may have been a sick bastard - but - he allowed religious freedom in his Iraq.
I've said it quite a few times. Saddam may have been an evil man, but he knew how to keep his "crazies" in line. In retrospect, he was probably the lesser of some of the evils.
Fleeing Iraqi Christians find safe haven at Shia Islam's holiest site, the Shrine of Imam Ali in Najaf
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I'm so disappointed. Thought sure, your eagle eye was going to report Iraq had shook that flea off while I was gone. Instead of whole lotta shakin' the Only thing the Iraq military has done so far is run away from great balls of fire. No problem tho, looks like US/NATO air power is going to do it for them.
Originally posted by rogergarrison: Obuma loves them but wont admit being one.
Is that so?
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The rampage of religious violence from Sunni Islamist extremists in Iraq had the U.S. administration talking of "genocide" this week.
President Barack Obama used the term Thursday when he announced he has authorized targeted airstrikes against the extremists after fighters for the Islamic State trapped ethnic Yazidi families on a mountain, where some children died of thirst in the scorching summer sun.
Other than that, I hope ISIS or whatever they call themselves get to meet their maker (just kidding, there's no such thing) soon, one way or the other.
You say that with a great deal of certainty......you have faith in that belief.
No. I think a supernatural deity or deities is/are unlikely to exist and the reasons given for it's/their supposed existence are not convincing.
Having said that, if Jesus, Jahwe, Buddha, Mohammed, Shiva, Thor or any other of those supposedly supernatural beings appears in the middle of the stadium during the Soccer World Cup final or Superbowl I'll be the first to say "I was wrong, there he/she is. Hallelujah (or whatever Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, Norsemen and Hindus would say)!".
Other than that, I hope ISIS or whatever they call themselves get to meet their maker (just kidding, there's no such thing) soon, one way or the other.
He loves Muslims...he even gives money to Hamas....my money. IF he does or says anything against them, its just for show for the American people.
I've said it quite a few times. Saddam may have been an evil man, but he knew how to keep his "crazies" in line. In retrospect, he was probably the lesser of some of the evils.
That's why we initially supported him. He was a strong figure that kept the barbarians in line. In some parts of the world, it takes a dictator to control a populace that can't or won't control itself.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin
Saddam was a mean guard dog that decided to bite it's owner and had to be put down.
Originally posted by yellowstone: Having said that, if Jesus, Jahwe, Buddha, Mohammed, Shiva, Thor or any other of those supposedly supernatural beings appears in the middle of the stadium during the Soccer World Cup final or Superbowl I'll be the first to say "I was wrong, there he/she is. Hallelujah (or whatever Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, Norsemen and Hindus would say)!".
People say that but I really doubt it, they crucified him the first time.
Sounds like our military has the go ahead to make strategic strikes on ISIL, ISIS, IS, or whtever they'd like to call themselves today. Keeping them out of Baghdad
"Two F/A-18 aircraft dropped 500-pound laser-guided bombs on a mobile artillery piece near the city of Erbil. US personnel are based in the city. The decision to strike was made by the US Central Command commander under authorization granted him by the commander in chief," Rear Admiral John Kirby, a spokesman for the Pentagon, said.
The US has also begun dropping relief supplies to the refugees.
Iraqi officials say more than 500 men were killed by the Al-Qaeda offshoot, and that around 70 children have died since the Yazidis sought refuge on Sinjar.
UN officials said around 200,000 new refugees are seeking sanctuary in the Kurdish north from Islamic State forces. The Sunni militant group said in a statement that it had made more than a dozen military gains over the past five days. The IS has also claimed it now controls the Mosul Dam, the largest hydroelectric dam in Iraq.
The Islamic State grew out of the Syrian civil war. They were able to gain strength after getting their hands on weapons supplied by the US and its allies intended for rebel groups fighting against Bashar Assad’s government. "
I think that turning ISIS into a pink mist is about the only thing that will stop them. These are not people who wish to come to the negotiating table. Although some of them would love to be martyrs, I think the fear of annihilation might keep a good bit of them from continuing to do what they've been doing. I actually support the President on this one. We created this mess one way or another. We need to clean it up.
No. I think a supernatural deity or deities is/are unlikely to exist and the reasons given for it's/their supposed existence are not convincing.
Having said that, if Jesus, Jahwe, Buddha, Mohammed, Shiva, Thor or any other of those supposedly supernatural beings appears in the middle of the stadium during the Soccer World Cup final or Superbowl I'll be the first to say "I was wrong, there he/she is. Hallelujah (or whatever Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, Norsemen and Hindus would say)!".
No you wouldn't and you know it. You'd say they were a fraud and it was a trick of some kind, that some special effect or illusion was used.
I think that turning ISIS into a pink mist is about the only thing that will stop them. These are not people who wish to come to the negotiating table. Although some of them would love to be martyrs, I think the fear of annihilation might keep a good bit of them from continuing to do what they've been doing. I actually support the President on this one. We created this mess one way or another. We need to clean it up.
Annihilation is a one way ticket to paradise for them. They have nothing to lose so they'll never negotiate peace. They likely believe they'll win, or die martyrs. Either way, to them they win.
I want to discuss this but, I have no personal reference point where I can understand people and things blowing up around me all the while I just want to feed my family and build a legacy for my kid to carry on. Just think if this was going on in the next city that you commute threw to get to your job. Nope, no real reference point. What does the soccer mom in that over run city think the world should be doing in her country?
Sounds like our military has the go ahead to make strategic strikes on ISIL, ISIS, IS, or whtever they'd like to call themselves today. Keeping them out of Baghdad
"Two F/A-18 aircraft dropped 500-pound laser-guided bombs on a mobile artillery piece near the city of Erbil. US personnel are based in the city. The decision to strike was made by the US Central Command commander under authorization granted him by the commander in chief," Rear Admiral John Kirby, a spokesman for the Pentagon, said.
The US has also begun dropping relief supplies to the refugees.
Iraqi officials say more than 500 men were killed by the Al-Qaeda offshoot, and that around 70 children have died since the Yazidis sought refuge on Sinjar.
UN officials said around 200,000 new refugees are seeking sanctuary in the Kurdish north from Islamic State forces. The Sunni militant group said in a statement that it had made more than a dozen military gains over the past five days. The IS has also claimed it now controls the Mosul Dam, the largest hydroelectric dam in Iraq.
The Islamic State grew out of the Syrian civil war. They were able to gain strength after getting their hands on weapons supplied by the US and its allies intended for rebel groups fighting against Bashar Assad’s government. "
Two bombs on "an artillery piece." Well, ISIS must certainly be on the run now.
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“There is a park in Mosul, where [ISIS] they actually beheaded children and put their heads on a stick and have them in the park,” he explained. “More children are getting beheaded, mothers are getting raped and killed, and fathers are being hung.”
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I suppose its better than the UN sitting on their hands but yeah, hardly a start.
It certainly is, but it's a symbolic and largely useless gesture so he can say he did something. If it's just the beginning - good for him, and good for the lives that may be saved. It's time to see if his actions will match his talk.
Nobody has mentioned it yet, but the REAL wildcard nobody knows.....is how many isis sympathizers/ sleepers are all over the globe waiting for a certain event or date. This is something that was a long time in the planning, it didn't just fall in place in a week or 2.
Nobody has mentioned it yet, but the REAL wildcard nobody knows.....is how many isis sympathizers/ sleepers are all over the globe waiting for a certain event or date. This is something that was a long time in the planning, it didn't just fall in place in a week or 2.
Dude, you're right... some of them might even be on Pennocks!!!