Talked with some one about this this morning and since they could not convince me of the alleged wrongful shooting by the police I was told I did not understand. Not sure how people can get so worked up without actually knowing much of anything for sure?.
I think what made the guy get angry is that I just don't care.
I am sorry but "if" the witness was involved in the robbery NOTHING he has to say should be considered. Part of the price one pays for being a thug and a thief or a known liar is pretty much a total loss of all credibility. Most of us were taught this as children.
People get upset when somebody gets shot in the back while fleeing a violent crime. Frankly I don't, depending on the day or my mood I may even applaud it, most of the time I just think it is the grim reality of selfish poor choices.
Originally posted by theBDub: What? Brad I'm not from Rolla. I'm from St. Louis. I grew up around 10 minutes from Ferguson.
And I grew up in South Worcester, MA in the bad part of South Worcester, so the fk what, I was in the minority as a white kid there, most residents on my street were Puerto Rican or black, so the fk what. like I said I fought my way to and from school, did you? You called your black friends, how did you out it, "What's up my Niga" until you almost got your ass beat by some other of color because you said the word.
We have all had experiences of variable kinds with people of different colors, some good some bad, what is going on in this instance is that a few bad apples are spoiling it for the rest, and what do we hear in the news ? the worst of it, the news is like that no matter what way the media tends to lean, they all have their own agenda.
Hell I have many black friends having grown up in the area I did, I have fought back to back with a few to get out of a bad situation we ended up in, and I would do it again, with those guys ! But not with the people who are doing what is happening in this place. Hell I have a black, well actually half black half white god son who I would do the same thing with in the right situation. His father was a good man no mater what color he was, and he raised his son the same way.
This is happening because this is what the media wants, show the worst scenario and create a race war and sell papers, or air time or idiotnet time. Sure there are kids of all colors who do what these kids did, but what happened so far as we know is from a couple of kids who may or may not have robbed a convenience store with force because one of them, Big Mike was a big kid who knew he could get away with something because of his size and bullied the clerk or owner. Who by the way did not want the security tape shown on the news or idiotnet because he thought, and rightly so because of what might happen.
I would leave the bodies where they fell. Perhaps the message would get through. I wouldn't call any medical people. I also would shoot to disable, probably stomach or chest. No kill shots. In humane? Perhaps. It may save lives. War tactics are used in war. Make no mistake. This is war. We are fighting for our way of life, to be free and American ...
Why don't you sit down, take that hood off, and tell us what you really think? Your ideas are abhorrent!
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Originally posted by tshark:
The Native Americans got the worst treatment ever, and it continues to this day. They didn't complain. They moved on.
... except, of course, for the many Indian nations west of the Mississippi that fought, and ultimately lost, an ugly, 20+ year war of attrition against white settlers and the U.S. government.
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And I grew up in South Worcester, MA in the bad part of South Worcester, so the fk what, I was in the minority as a white kid there, most residents on my street were Puerto Rican or black, so the fk what. like I said I fought my way to and from school, did you? You called your black friends, how did you out it, "What's up my Niga" until you almost got your ass beat by some other of color because you said the word.
We have all had experiences of variable kinds with people of different colors, some good some bad, what is going on in this instance is that a few bad apples are spoiling it for the rest, and what do we hear in the news ? the worst of it, the news is like that no matter what way the media tends to lean, they all have their own agenda.
Hell I have many black friends having grown up in the area I did, I have fought back to back with a few to get out of a bad situation we ended up in, and I would do it again, with those guys ! But not with the people who are doing what is happening in this place. Hell I have a black, well actually half black half white god son who I would do the same thing with in the right situation. His father was a good man no mater what color he was, and he raised his son the same way.
This is happening because this is what the media wants, show the worst scenario and create a race war and sell papers, or air time or idiotnet time. Sure there are kids of all colors who do what these kids did, but what happened so far as we know is from a couple of kids who may or may not have robbed a convenience store with force because one of them, Big Mike was a big kid who knew he could get away with something because of his size and bullied the clerk or owner. Who by the way did not want the security tape shown on the news or idiotnet because he thought, and rightly so because of what might happen.
Steve
I was just saying that because Brad seems to think I'm from Rolla, and he is saying that me saying I'm "from the area" is just saying "I'm from Missouri." I wasn't using it as bragging rights.
Sure, a good portion of my friends are Black. The majority are White though. My parents moved us out of the area when I was 12, so while I have a few friends there still and visited sometimes, most of my good friends are all from a city called O'Fallon, which is probably 45 minutes from St. Louis.
When I talked to my Black friends I spoke to them the same way I spoke to all my friends, no ebonics for me. I actually agree with all you said though. There are a bunch of shitbags in the area ****ing everything up. My point is--the looters and rioters will see their time in court as video is released and people captured and tried. But will the police? Will the illegal tactics they've been pulling on the citizens in the area be answered for, or will we forget it because a handful of Black people are also committing crimes?
I wouldn't want to give another area a bad name. Good and bad people are everywhere. Unfortunately, events like this bring out the worst in people, and bring out the bad people. The bad people sometimes have louder voices. The thugs are giving the town/city, state, and country a bad name.
The first night of rioting and looting 32 arrest were made and 28 were from N.St Louis. I pretty sure N.St.Louis knows the have a bad name already.
Take your own advice. Do some research. The Native Americans were defending their homes and way of life. Not acting like animals. They never asked for pity or charity. They were noble and proud. Perhaps the reason we don't learn from history is that we don't know it.
I take it you completely failed to comprehend what Marvin wrote in regards to your assertion that the Western Nations didn't complain.
Take your own advice. Do some research. The Native Americans were defending their homes and way of life. Not acting like animals. They never asked for pity or charity. They were noble and proud. Perhaps the reason we don't learn from history is that we don't know it.
You know, some people listen, make observations, and express opinions. Good, bad or indifferent. Other people make personal attacks. You don't have to like what I say any more than I have to like what you say. Either way, hateful personal attacks are uncalled for. Sure, start another war. Will that help the current situation any? Of course not. Some thugs are causing problems in Ferguson. Hopefully, you don't join them. Of course, we could send them to your neighborhood, and you could express your pity for them while they terrorized your neighborhood, brutalized your friends, and destroyed your property.
Heck, in Ferguson, the peaceful protesters are getting the worst of the deal. And from some, the hate at apparently the world in general will prevent the voices of the protesters from being heard. Well, that and the media's protrayal of the events.
Marvin, since you aren't local, and I am, unless you are moonlighting in the area you have no facts. From your comments, you have no facts. Some of us here are working very hard to resolve this. I am sorry that the officer's info was released. That was not my fault. Those who are involved have more info than the rest of the world. This is turning into a 3-ring circus, because some have opinions without facts, and are running full ahead on opinions. People who aren't involved needn't fuel the fire.
So ironic, considering your "leave them where they fall" rhetoric.
Since you're a newbie, I'll clue you in to a little PFF history so you don't have to bother yourself with going thru the archives in an attempt to "research" Marvin McGinnis. For those of us who have been at PFF for any length of time, it is no stretch to think think Marvin's middle name could easily BE "Research". He's spent a lifetime doing research in any number of fields, has multiple degrees, has probably spent more time IN the West among Native Americans studying their history and culture than all the rest of us combined, and even at his "advanced" age, (sorry Marvin) is still very much involved in a personal continuing education endeavor most of us could only dream of. But don't take my word for it.
Originally posted by maryjane: and even at his "advanced" age, (sorry Marvin) is still very much involved in a personal continuing education endeavor most of us could only dream of.
I learn stuff everytime I read something he writes. And I love his accent!
Take a (or several) steps back from bull $hit and ask yourself who has the most to gain from this? You are all being played for fools... The media is fueling the flames, blowing this out of proportion, playing both sides. Under who's direction??
IT IS NOT ABOUT RACE, NOT ABOUT GUNS (yeah, I said that), NOT ABOUT THE RICH OR THE POOR! This and many other events that intentionally turns AMERICANS against other AMERICANS is to give your Government ammunition to CONTROL YOU under the cloak of PROTECTION.
Your Government is trying to rule you through FEAR. Since 9-11 the USA has been under "terrorist threat" Not sure what your color codes are but it has not been "all good" for at least 15 years. Now we are throwing in civil unrest. Now you don't just fear threats from outsiders, you fear each other.
Sorry for using excessive caps... Many of you will give me negs or bash me, that's fine I'm prepared for it. I care enough to at least reach out and try. If I can get through to one of you, it was worth it.
So please, stop hating, fearing and wanting to punish each other. You are one nation and are essentially one family, black, white, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist or Atheist, rich, poor, middle class, we are all the same and just want to live out your lives and be happy. Fear is not happy. Government rule will not make things any better.
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Originally posted by maryjane: The officer did not know or suspect these 2 were being sought for suspiscion of robbery when he stopped them.
Michael Brown, the dead felon, suspected he did.
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Originally posted by Formula88: As Don already mentioned, being suspected of robbery or not is irrelevant to the shooting. If Brown had broken free and was fleeing the officer, it's unlikely deadly force would be justified.
He had just assaulted a cop, tried to take his gun, and was shot at. He turned suddenly and made abrupt arm movements, supposedly to put his arms up in surrender. Could he have easily have been leveling a gun at the officer ? Could that officer had a legitimate "fear for his safety/life" ?
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Originally posted by theBDub: The people that don't understand the area that are with the police are trying to say it's all ridiculous because Mike Brown robbed a store beforehand. They don't understand the area. This is NOT just about some Black kid getting shot by a White cop. It's the entire police mentality in the area. It's racial tensions.
Tell me Brennan. Where do these racial tendencies come from ? What causes them ? Why other than the death of a black thug do we not hear about these injustices ? Is the racial tensions because the populace is about 70% black and the police force is about 90% white ? Could that be because the drop out rate for blacks in Ferguson is at about 70% of the 70% of the black populace ? Is it because the blacks are poor (which should be expected from a high percentage of high school drop outs) ? Is it because the blacks can not assimilate into the values of the successful in this country and they want to blame other than themselves ? Is it because, as Todd says ...
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: This kind of stuff is so common in ghetto areas... stealing like this, it's common place. Liberals will often make the assumption that people are stealing because they have to... but this isn't the early 1900s anymore. This kind of thievery and shitty ghetto behavior is common anywhere in the world you have an entitlement mentality. You see it with the poor blacks in American ghettos, you see it with the Islamic ghettos in Holland and France, and you see this in the ghettos in places like England. Welfare mentality makes people feel entitled... they see things that they want and the concept of buying or earning something is simply never developed.
Is it because that even with all the progress we have made in race equality, that the race baiters will just not let it go ? Is it because of the Dumbocratic tactic of "Community Organizing" which is to gather in packs and put squeak on the wheel to get your way ? The Union model. I am a minority on my job work crew. Out of five crew members, three are black. One is my boss and he will tell everyone that there is not a racial bone in my body. Tell me where this racism is Brennan. I think it is just inbred behavior, inbred by pack mentality. For some, it is the only thing that they think might work.
I take it you completely failed to comprehend what Marvin wrote in regards to your assertion that the Western Nations didn't complain.
Comprehend? Read what I said about fighting for their homes. Dignity & nobility is the key.
I'm part Cherokee, true, but part Sioux, also. The Cherokee travesty was one thing. As for the Sioux, perhaps the research in this case wasn't very effective. No one should pitty the Sioux.
Another point is that they, also didn't stick together. They also trusted the US government to be truthful. They also were lied to and taken advantage of.
I see you're also not local. Apparently you rely on the media for your research. Are you guarding your neighborhood & local businesses against the rioters? I think not. They're here. Talk is cheap without facts. Actions count.
So yes, these people that invade for the express purpose of causing problems do not get my sympathy. This was planned before the Michael Brown shooting ever happened. So, think a bit before you get on your high horse again. I do know you are regularly involved in constant verbal bickers.
more irony. First you berate others for 'personal attacks" then you do it yourself.
I was guarding businesses beginning in 1969 and today, am rarely unarmed when I walk down the back steps of my home and into my own or looking after nearest neighbor's business environment.
Take a (or several) steps back from bull $hit and ask yourself who has the most to gain from this? You are all being played for fools... The media is fueling the flames, blowing this out of proportion, playing both sides. Under who's direction??
IT IS NOT ABOUT RACE, NOT ABOUT GUNS (yeah, I said that), NOT ABOUT THE RICH OR THE POOR! This and many other events that intentionally turns AMERICANS against other AMERICANS is to give your Government ammunition to CONTROL YOU under the cloak of PROTECTION.
Your Government is trying to rule you through FEAR. Since 9-11 the USA has been under "terrorist threat" Not sure what your color codes are but it has not been "all good" for at least 15 years. Now we are throwing in civil unrest. Now you don't just fear threats from outsiders, you fear each other.
Sorry for using excessive caps... Many of you will give me negs or bash me, that's fine I'm prepared for it. I care enough to at least reach out and try. If I can get through to one of you, it was worth it.
So please, stop hating, fearing and wanting to punish each other. You are one nation and are essentially one family, black, white, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist or Atheist, rich, poor, middle class, we are all the same and just want to live out your lives and be happy. Fear is not happy. Government rule will not make things any better.
I dont think it is about a Government takeover for control. It is vary much about racism and gun control. When this is "over" all you will hear the gov talk about is gun control and blame on racism. All you will see the gov do is make more gun law atttemps and attempts to even the playing field for the oppressed (racism).
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I dont think it is about a Government takeover for control. It is vary much about racism and gun control. When this is "over" all you will hear the gov talk about is gun control and blame on racism. All you will see the gov do is make more gun law atttemps and attempts to even the playing field for the oppressed (racism).
Gun control IS government takeover and control. One of our rights that ”shall not be abridged”. Yes, they will blame it on racism. As long as there is different treatment for different races, there will be these entitlement issues.
Not an attack. I called you no names, nor did I degrade you. I made a characterization. As for your RESEARCH guy above, he made a veiled suggestion that I was something I'm not. Obviously another research/knowledge error. Anytime someone says ”your ideas are abhorrent” it is a personal attack. The wording could have been ”I totally disagree”. So, you can take his advice also.
Again, you aren't here. How long have things been so bad where you are? Not a recent thing, apparently, which means your method is not working. As others have pointed out, the protesters are peaceful, but the rioters, who come from elsewhere, are the ones causing trouble.
I know what you are saying. There are quite a few people on here that have a huge problem disagreeing. They call names, or attack personally if they don't agree with your views. The "RESEARCH guy" is one of them. On the flip side there are a lot of very nice people on here that don't do that. So you get the bad with the good.
I've had my problems in the past, and I've at least tried to work on how I respond. I'm still not great at it, but I attempt to be fair, and see if I can see things from their point of view. Some of the people though are pretty out there.
I'm also betting that no matter how much "RESEARCH guy" researches, he hasn't sat in Indian court and been told that because his family is white, that they are not fit to raise an Indian child. Or hear that kids at school won't play with his Niece because she's a "halfbreed" and not a real Indian. We all have our reasons for what we believe, if you don't know them you can't understand them.
FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) - The friend who was with Michael Brown when he was shot and killed by a police officer near St. Louis over the weekend is reportedly confirming that he and Brown had taken part in the theft of cigars from a convenience store that day.
That word comes from the attorney for Dorian Johnson, speaking to MSNBC. Police in Ferguson had earlier announced that Brown was suspected of taking cigars from the convenience store in what was described as a "strong-arm robbery."
Brown's family is accusing police of trying to draw attention away from the shooting.
I don't know how credible Johnson is going to be as a key witness.He was with Sharpton and a member of the panthers before giving testimonial to police.Im sure the true story might have been redirected in the time he spent with the race baiten riot instigating bastards they have shown them self's to be.Every thing went to hell when they showed up.
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I don't know how credible Johnson is going to be as a key witness.He was with Sharpton and a member of the panthers before giving testimonial to police.Im sure the true story might have been redirected in the time he spent with the race baiten riot instigating bastards they have shown them self's to be.Every thing went to hell when they showed up.
I dont think his testimonial will make much of a difference, a lot of people seem to have made up their minds on it. He will only confirm what people have chosen to see, no matter what he says. His testimony is a formality or a side show, depending on how you already see the indecent.
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Gun control IS government takeover and control. One of our rights that ”shall not be abridged”. Yes, they will blame it on racism. As long as there is different treatment for different races, there will be these entitlement issues.
I have to disagree with you on this. Gun control is not a form of Government takeover, it is simply special interest groups forcing its views on others through legislation.
If there's video evidence plus the autopsy showing drugs in his system, that would seem to justify the shooting. I don't think it will matter to the rioters and protesters. Once the genie is out of the bottle, you can't put it back. The outrage will run it's course, much like the Trayvon Martin shooting.
I'm still not great at it, but I attempt to be fair, and see if I can see things from their point of view. Some of the people though are pretty out there. 
