(Reuters)</A> - Islamic State militants fighting in Iraq and Syria released a video on Saturday which purported to show the beheading of British aid worker David Haines.
Reuters could not immediately verify the footage. However, the images were consistent with that of the filmed executions of two American journalists, James Foley and Steven Sotloff, in the past month.
Haines, a 44-year-old father of two from Perth in Scotland, was kidnapped last year while working for the French agency ACTED.
The video entitled, "A Message to the Allies of America," opened with UK Prime Minister David Cameron talking about working with the Iraqi government and allied Kurdish Peshmerga forces to defeat Islamic State.
"This British man has to pay the price for your promise, Cameron, to arm the Peshmerga against the Islamic State," said a masked man dressed in black with a British accent, standing over Haines, who was shown kneeling and wearing an orange jumpsuit.
The video then showed the beheading of the kneeling man.
At the end of the video, another hostage was shown and the masked man said he would be killed if Cameron continues to support the fight against Islamic State.
Cameron condemned the killing and said he would bring the killers to justice.
"This is a despicable and appalling murder of an innocent aid worker. It is an act of pure evil. My heart goes out to the family of David Haines who have shown extraordinary courage and fortitude throughout this ordeal," he said in a statement released by Downing Street.
"We will do everything in our power to hunt down these murderers and ensure they face justice, however long it takes.
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Just last week, I was thinking "Maybe we should just step completely away from this thing and use the $$ and assets to combat Ebola before the casualties from that disease get any worse than they are". It's become awful hard to maintain that option as a tradeoff.
Just last week, I was thinking "Maybe we should just step completely away from this thing and use the $$ and assets to combat Ebola before the casualties from that disease get any worse than they are". It's become awful hard to maintain that option as a tradeoff.
We're in for a bumpy ass ride fellas....Times are a changin', I's can feel it
(quoted Don in relation to the video reference )
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These sub human bastards are just asking to be wiped off the face of the earth --- Let's get busy granting their wish!
I say we give em a lot of rope. Let them get nice and big.
I think it best to consider our strengths and our ultimates wants.
We are good at big war. We want oil,control,stability,peace and large rivals to have a cold war with.
Out of the big guy namely Arrogant west,pakyland,Curryland,chop sueyland and vodkaville. Arrogant west should own and control paky and Curry. Maybe have to share curry with chop suey to keep tiawan and Japan. If vodkaville insists on taking a few eastern euro countries then they don't get any pakyland.
Arrogant west,vodkaville and chop suey should destroy and occupy the remainder of the middle east.
Tea and crumpets can work on Africa and Arrogant west work on South America.
Bay of pigs should be a international free port for summits and a test bed for freedom and criminal vices.
Just last week, I was thinking "Maybe we should just step completely away from this thing and use the $$ and assets to combat Ebola before the casualties from that disease get any worse than they are". It's become awful hard to maintain that option as a tradeoff.
Thought crossed my mind as well, just imagine a dozen or so suicidal terrorists entering our Country that are infected with Ebola. They just skip around to various big cities contaminating what they can until their time runs out. Pretty scarey thought actually.
Regarding ISIS, you could wipe them all out in about 2 wks if you weren't concerned about collateral civilian causalities. I don't think the World should worry about collateral issues with these bastards, reason being they will kill alot more civilian people over there, if we let this drag out over a long time.
I say we give em a lot of rope. Let them get nice and big.
I think it best to consider our strengths and our ultimates wants.
We are good at big war. We want oil,control,stability,peace and large rivals to have a cold war with.
Out of the big guy namely Arrogant west,pakyland,Curryland,chop sueyland and vodkaville. Arrogant west should own and control paky and Curry. Maybe have to share curry with chop suey to keep tiawan and Japan. If vodkaville insists on taking a few eastern euro countries then they don't get any pakyland.
Arrogant west,vodkaville and chop suey should destroy and occupy the remainder of the middle east.
Tea and crumpets can work on Africa and Arrogant west work on South America.
Bay of pigs should be a international free port for summits and a test bed for freedom and criminal vices.
Let me think on this a bit. I'm pretty mad right now.
Unnecessary brutality always gets my revenge-bone hard to return the favor in kind. Not a good time to conjure logic.
The real question is, why the hell are non-combat people still hanging around that area? It's pretty hard to feel too much sympathy for anyone stupid enough to stay there.
The real question is, why the hell are non-combat people still hanging around that area? It's pretty hard to feel too much sympathy for anyone stupid enough to stay there.
Because the moneys good, the scenery changes and they think that Press Pass Card is a get out of jail free card. I am so tired of this worrying about collateral damage BS when we are fighting a force that just kills everyone they can, why can't we just fight them the same way!
Drop a fkn Nuke on the entire dam country and tell them one hour ahead of time we are going to, if you are not with them you will get out, if you are with them, well just stand still and die with them.
Steve
------------------ Technology is great when it works, and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't
Same reason aid workers and healthcare people work in those places and in perhaps worse places--it's what they do. Risky--yes, but to them, the risk is worth it to help others.
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Born in East Yorkshire but raised Perthshire, 44-year-old Mr Haines was in Syria as an aid worker just before his capture in March 2013.
Educated at Perth Academy secondary school, he has worked for aid agencies in some of the world's worst trouble spots, including Libya and South Sudan.
He was in Libya during its civil war in 2011, working as head of mission for Handicap International, which helps disabled people in poverty and conflict zones around the world.
Although a British citizen, Mr Haines had been living in Croatia with his second wife Dragana before he left for the Middle East on a mercy mission.
A father of two, a 17-year-old with his first wife Louise and a four-year-old with Dragana, Mr Haines was taken while working for French aid agency Acted.
Because the moneys good, the scenery changes and they think that Press Pass Card is a get out of jail free card. I am so tired of this worrying about collateral damage BS when we are fighting a force that just kills everyone they can, why can't we just fight them the same way!
Drop a fkn Nuke on the entire dam country and tell them one hour ahead of time we are going to, if you are not with them you will get out, if you are with them, well just stand still and die with them.
Steve
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The real question is, why the hell are non-combat people still hanging around that area? It's pretty hard to feel too much sympathy for anyone stupid enough to stay there.
Agree,any body that doesn't believe in what they do is the enemy.Get the hell out and let them kill each other. I don't know which muslim faith will win in the end but some people will still have there heads.
Same reason aid workers and healthcare people work in those places and in perhaps worse places--it's what they do. Risky--yes, but to them, the risk is worth it to help others.
There's a difference between being brave, and being stupid. When a group like ISIS demonstrates their willingness to be brutal, and people choose to expose themselves to that brutality, why would we be upset if something happens to them? It's like the story of the guy who saves the viper and ends up getting bitten. When he asks why, the response is, "I'm a snake" Do you really feel bad for a person who knowingly and voluntarily sticks their hand in a hornet's nest?
The only way to stop this is for people to stop going into areas where they are going to get kidnapped and beheaded. I am not sure the journalism is worth it. We can bomb the crap out of anyone and everyone and it won't stop because it strikes fear in the people they want to respond.
Would we care as much if the beheading was some unknown local?
Tajiguy, If I remember correctly, you were a Submariner. Pretty risky endeavor and occupation-every dive could easily be your last. I seriously doubt, even if war were to have broken out and we were getting the worst of it, that you would have ever jumped ship, and it wouldn't have anything to do with bravery or courage, but everything to do with dedication to something you believed in. Doctors, nurses, firemen, policemen, military, aid workers and a lot more do their jobs in very dangerous places and situations all over the world every day, putting others' lives at a higher value than their own simply because they feel what they do will make the world and those in it better off. Money and courage have nothing to do with it, & neither do badges, uniforms, press passes or red cross emblems. Some call them stupid, I won't.
Would we care as much if the beheading was some unknown local?
I would hope and think so--assuming we heard about it, and in today's fast communications, and extremists need to show the world, I suspect we would--even if it were just a local herdsman. The world today, stands ashamed at what was allowed to happen in Rwanda. I don't think we will ever see a repeat of that allowed to stand.
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How do they get the poor guy to stay still while they hack his head off, is it because they keep rehearsing it and not going thru with it so he doesn't think they are going to actually do it?
I haven't watched any of the actual murders, but I suspect they either tell him they aren't really going to do it (doubtful since the victim was probably present at the previous beheading) or the victim has simply resigned themselves to their fate.
I would hope and think so--assuming we heard about it, and in today's fast communications, and extremists need to show the world, I suspect we would--even if it were just a local herdsman. The world today, stands ashamed at what was allowed to happen in Rwanda. I don't think we will ever see a repeat of that allowed to stand.
or the victim has simply resigned themselves to their fate.
Knowing that, why wouldn't they tell their executioner to go fugg himself? Or run? Or not read the script?
I think the captive is holding onto the hope that cooperation is the key to their survival. Hope that they can buy themselves one more day. That help is on the way.
Because, I gotta' tell you, if they are making me and a bunch of other people kneel in a ditch, with their AK's behind us, I gotta figure out that this aint gonna' end well. Why don't I stand back up and tell them to go fugg themselves?
Faith in the Saving Grace, till the very end?
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Hard to say, but yes, I would like to think most of us would be more defiant than what has been described in the text descriptions of the released videos. It's very possible, they threaten the intended victim with killing others in his presence if they don't co-operate. For instance: "You either read this or we will kill your friend Alan Henning over there".
BUT, the videos (according to the descriptions) fade to black immediately after the reading and the next thing seen is the beheaded man. We don't know for sure, that in the last few seconds (or maybe even minutes) of his life he DIDN'T stand up and fight or give the them the fu treatment.
Here's a little more about the most recent victim thru the words of his brother:
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David Haines worked for the Royal Mail, then joined the Royal Air Force. He later worked with the United Nations in the Balkans, where "he helped whoever needed help, regardless of race, creed or religion," according to his brother. "During this time, David began to decide that humanitarian work was the field he wanted to work in," Mike Haines said. "... David was most alive and enthusiastic in his humanitarian roles." After working for ScotRail, David Haines went on to get a job as a logistics and security manager for the Paris-based humanitarian Agency for Technical Cooperation and Development. He was abducted in March 2013 near a refugee camp in Atmeh, Syria, where he was working to arrange for the delivery of humanitarian aid to people staying at the camp. He had previously worked on aid operations for victims of conflict in the Balkans, African and other parts of the Middle East, according to an ACTED spokesman. "His joy and anticipation for the work he (did) in Syria is, for myself and family, the most important element of this whole sad affair," Mike Haines said. "He was and is loved by all his family and will be missed terribly."
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Money and courage have nothing to do with it, & neither do badges, uniforms, press passes or red cross emblems. Some call them stupid, I won't.
Nor I.
I have worked with some top-notch journalists throughout my professional life. A few of the foreign correspondents were motivated more by career ambition than by dedication to journalistic principles, but by far the vast majority were not. The greatest occupational hazard seemed to be falling in love with the people and culture they were covering and "going native." Few know or remember that back ~1970 foreign correspondent (for ABC) Peter Jennings probably traveled more freely and had greater access to all the competing factions in the Middle East than anyone in the world except perhaps Henry Kissinger.
Most of the medical professionals I have known who have traveled to third-world countries as volunteers and provided a lot of desperately needed medical care at no charge did so as part of one Christian mission program or another, usually sponsored by their local churches. That alone would be reason enough for Islamist terrorists to target them; Christians demonstrating Christian compassion are dangerous to the Islamists' twisted and corrupt medieval theology.
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Originally posted by maryjane: Its ironic that the westerners beheaded were all people trying to help the locals or spread the news about their plight. I guess it proves that these people are truly savage assholes who can only be exterminated not helped.
Hard to say, but yes, I would like to think most of us would be more defiant than what has been described in the text descriptions of the released videos. It's very possible, they threaten the intended victim with killing others in his presence if they don't co-operate. For instance: "You either read this or we will kill your friend Alan Henning over there".
BUT, the videos (according to the descriptions) fade to black immediately after the reading and the next thing seen is the beheaded man. We don't know for sure, that in the last few seconds (or maybe even minutes) of his life he DIDN'T stand up and fight or give the them the fu treatment.
Here's a little more about the most recent victim thru the words of his brother:
Originally posted by maryjane: Its ironic that the westerners beheaded were all people trying to help the locals or spread the news about their plight. I guess it proves that these people are truly savage assholes who can only be exterminated not helped.
Hard to say, but yes, I would like to think most of us would be more defiant than what has been described in the text descriptions of the released videos. It's very possible, they threaten the intended victim with killing others in his presence if they don't co-operate. For instance: "You either read this or we will kill your friend Alan Henning over there".
BUT, the videos (according to the descriptions) fade to black immediately after the reading and the next thing seen is the beheaded man. We don't know for sure, that in the last few seconds (or maybe even minutes) of his life he DIDN'T stand up and fight or give the them the fu treatment.
Here's a little more about the most recent victim thru the words of his brother:
I have worked with top-notch journalists throughout my professional life. A few of the foreign correspondents were motivated more by professional ambition than by dedication to journalistic principle, but by far the vast majority were not. The greatest occupational hazard seemed to be falling in love with the people and culture they were covering and "going native." Few know or remember that back ~1970 foreign correspondent (for ABC) Peter Jennings probably traveled more freely and had greater access to all the competing factions in the Middle East than anyone in the world except perhaps Henry Kissinger.
Most of the medical professionals I have known who have traveled to third-world countries as volunteers and provided a lot of desperately needed medical care at no charge did so as part of one Christian mission program or another, usually sponsored by their local churches. That alone would be reason enough for Islamist terrorists to target them; Christians demonstrating Christian compassion are dangerous to the Islamists' twisted and corrupt theology.
I think that few people understand that nearly all of these victims knew exactly what they were up against, and that the ultimate price could be paid for their decisions. That did not alter what they felt to be a very meaningful cause, and I feel that is a trait to be admired. These same people do not want your sympathy, nor do they ask any of us for special favors, the same holds true for those in our armed forces. It's a simple case of good versus evil.
I recently watched a documentary called "Hornets Nest" which I found very interesting, that gets into some of the similar issues mentioned above:
There are always going to be Pro and Con on both sides of issues that result in these debates. My biggest problem with the issue of this thread is that "why aren't most Countries trying to eradicate this type of human behavior on the planet". In this day and age it is very troublesome to me, that there are still a great number of humans that are complete Savages, that are tolerated by many Societies Worldwide currently.
Just last week, I was thinking "Maybe we should just step completely away from this thing and use the $$ and assets to combat Ebola before the casualties from that disease get any worse than they are". It's become awful hard to maintain that option as a tradeoff.
Well, I like the 1st part of your idea.....but after stepping away lets just keep our money to help our own, and use it to have an armed guard every 3 feet around around the border of North America, and then let islam, ebola, and the rest of the damn planet sort itself out.
I expect there is going to be many more beheadings. Slavery is practiced in that part of the world. These groups consider their prisoners slaves. ISIS is buying American and British slaves with the oil money that they captured.
We best get used to this. I dont see anything stopping them for a long time. Even if ISIS is eradicated, another will pop up. Its really hard to stop an idea and a cause.
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We bet get used to this. I dont see anything stopping them for a long time. Even if ISIS is eradicated, another will pop up. Its really hard to stop an idea and a cause.
Very true. And the harder you hit them, the more anti-West recruits volunteer for the "cause" and the reward of Paradise.
It's a tough fight against a group that will NEVER back down.
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