Glocks and 40cals in general have a very distinct and pain in the neck kick to them... that's why I really don't care for them. I have them but I prefer 9mm
I can see why that could be a problem for you. A 40 cal. is a MAN's gun. It requires a man-sized hand and requires some adult muscle to handle it.
Just yankin' your chain kid.
I have never had any "recoil problems" or ever felt any "after effects" in my arm, neck or shoulder muscles after many long days at the range shooting up a LOT of rounds of 40 To be fair though, 9mm does feel comparatively 'mild" after you are used to an "adult" caliber.
I carry a Glock 32 in .357 SIG. So much more fun than running .40 through it. Hits harder than me wife's .357 magnum
And weloveour86se as far as your FTE (failure to eject) it is very possible your son was "limp wristing" it. Or not having a firm and solid grip. Something to look into. Happens to my wife with my USP .45 all the time, her hands are just not big enough for a firm, not tight, firm grip. I'll spend some time reading through the other comments. Have you had any other trouble other than that 1 outing? All my new firearms get at least 200 rounds of +p self defense ammo run through to work them in. If anything was to happen, it would be then.
edit: not sure if anyone said it, but look into Beretta 92fs mags. They are very very very close in style, if not identical. May have to source G.I. mags for the flat base plate though.
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And weloveour86se as far as your FTE (failure to eject) it is very possible your son was "limp wristing" it. Or not having a firm and solid grip. Something to look into. Happens to my wife with my USP .45 all the time, her hands are just not big enough for a firm, not tight, firm grip.
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edit: not sure if anyone said it, but look into Beretta 92fs mags. They are very very very close in style, if not identical. May have to source G.I. mags for the flat base plate though.
Trust me, a 92/M9 mag isn't going to work.
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So we went to Kittery Trading Post yesterday and picked this up.
A beauty of a gun. Italian 9mm. A CZ75 clone from what I am learning thus far. Apparently parts are getting tough to come by but since it's a CZ75 clone many parts from that will work. Like most importantly clips.
Also I am reading something about it being a "pre series 88" which I am not sure what that means.
Also I need to learn about grain loads that perform the best in this firearm.
Also I need some (lots) of practice with the trigger. It's double action I think it's called. The first trigger pull is long and full while the following pulls are VERY short. Almost just a touch after the first shot. If the shooter is not ready for it the second round could easily be accidentally fired if the shooter is not careful and aware.
Also I need to learn very specifically my local laws. Like how to transport, what is considered concealed, how to legally carry, etc. I don't want to be walking and or shooting out back and get in trouble. We have a range out back that many people shoot at. Local police have been present during shooting and only ask that we not shoot early or late in the day so as not to disturb the peace.
I love my CZ83. It is the gun I carry most of the time and the most accurate. I get smaller groups with it than any of my other hand guns. I would not hesitate to get another CZ.
Cool TY everyone for chiming in here with great stuff!
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I love my CZ83. It is the gun I carry most of the time and the most accurate. I get smaller groups with it than any of my other hand guns. I would not hesitate to get another CZ.
Yeah Rick I to am loving my CZ. Smooth, tight, clean action. I personally have not had any FTE issues or jams. So as others have stated our problems are likely the other shooters limp-wristing it. But for me its a smooth machine. I would buy another if I needed one any day. I would never buy another Hi Point.
So we are planning on doing some shooting today and I want to build a hasty plinker target. I got a few ideas I might try out later. Should be fun!
Again TY everyone for chiming in! Especially you Nick! I will drink the water!
Just scored this nice piece of sheet steel. A little over 3/8 thick with a quick measurement. Drilled a couple of holes and add some chain or what ever to hang it. Then I am going to hang it from a piece of rebar that the neighbor has laying around out back. Then we can hang it all between our target hanging stumps. I just need to get a measurement from stump to stump. And that right there is a GREAT reason to fire up the snowmobile and ride out to measure! Yah me!!
IDK if this plate will hold up to my buddy's Glock 40 but I am confident it will withstand our 9mm. Were going plinking!!
Cool TY everyone for chiming in here with great stuff! Yeah Rick I to am loving my CZ. Smooth, tight, clean action. I personally have not had any FTE issues or jams. So as others have stated our problems are likely the other shooters limp-wristing it. But for me its a smooth machine. I would buy another if I needed one any day. I would never buy another Hi Point.
So we are planning on doing some shooting today and I want to build a hasty plinker target. I got a few ideas I might try out later. Should be fun!
Again TY everyone for chiming in! Especially you Nick! I will drink the water!
When you clean your CZ take the little extra time to take apart the magazine and clean it. Do not use any lube in it. I found that some powder will cause enough gritty dust to mess with the slide action of the follower and cause a missfeed.
Well we learned TONS today. Put about 250 rounds down. 100 of which were with a Glock 40. Our plinker target didn't fair so well. Wrong metal but it was a BLAST to shoot at. Our plinker didn't give much report also. We think it might be because of our hanging system. Not sure. We are definitely going to work on our targets more!!
Now as for the Tanfoglio she handled GREAT! Probably honestly 90% + rounds hit our 6"x6" target. She is VERY accurate. The Glock not so much. Out of one 16 round mag I hit 13 times. I didn't really count the other mags but it's a damn accurate firearm that is for sure!!
What a blast of a way to have some fun and learn a new thing or two!
A friend of mine had the two older boxes of rounds. He gave me the 50 count box of winnies and the 50 count box of Wolf. He claims he had them for a long time. Well we shot all the winnies he gave us and at the end we each fired a 10 round mag of the Wolf rounds. Steel casing made in Russia. Well the remarkable thing is 1 of the first of the 10 round mags of the Wolf ammo didn't go off. The round failed to fire. My fellow shooter cocked the hammer and tried again. Then I loaded up another 10 round mag and I had 2 rounds fail to fire. I cocked the hammer both times and they both went off on the second attempt. So out of the 20 Wolf rounds we fired 3 failed to go off!! That is VERY remarkable to me.
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A friend of mine had the two older boxes of rounds. He gave me the 50 count box of winnies and the 50 count box of Wolf. He claims he had them for a long time. Well we shot all the winnies he gave us and at the end we each fired a 10 round mag of the Wolf rounds. Steel casing made in Russia. Well the remarkable thing is 1 of the first of the 10 round mags of the Wolf ammo didn't go off. The round failed to fire. My fellow shooter cocked the hammer and tried again. Then I loaded up another 10 round mag and I had 2 rounds fail to fire. I cocked the hammer both times and they both went off on the second attempt. So out of the 20 Wolf rounds we fired 3 failed to go off!! That is VERY remarkable to me.
I still have some USSR ammo from when I got the the CZ, I got 1,000 rds with the gun. It has the Russian script on it and I can't read it, but it shoots fine. I have used MANY different types of ammo with the CZ. But for some reason I never used up the USSR stuff. They have a moisture preventative dip coating on them. Maybe that is why I saved them?
Looks like metal stock for a prison "bone crusher", inmate manufactured (big) knife.
Yeah it was some steel plate our neighbor had laying around. It is thick enough but very soft I guess. Definitely not plinker material. I honestly think I heard maybe 7 reports or plinks from it after all those rounds. We at the time attributed it to our hanging system. Like maybe the plastic coated wires affect the plink. I am sure it does but I think the soft steel plate plays a larger factor. Also we had to deal with waiting for our target to stop flopping around for seconds or thirds. There were even shots where I had to time for swing! And that was fun to.
But your right. It is some scrap metal my neighbor had laying around. And the rebar to. And I had some scrap wire. And we shot a bunch of rounds at it. And we saved a bunch of money for more ammo and targets by being fugal! That right there seals the deal for me.
Yeah it was some steel plate our neighbor had laying around. It is thick enough but very soft I guess. Definitely not plinker material. I honestly think I heard maybe 7 reports or plinks from it after all those rounds. We at the time attributed it to our hanging system. Like maybe the plastic coated wires affect the plink. I am sure it does but I think the soft steel plate plays a larger factor. Also we had to deal with waiting for our target to stop flopping around for seconds or thirds. There were even shots where I had to time for swing! And that was fun to.
But your right. It is some scrap metal my neighbor had laying around. And the rebar to. And I had some scrap wire. And we shot a bunch of rounds at it. And we saved a bunch of money for more ammo and targets by being fugal! That right there seals the deal for me.
Try drilling a hole at the bottom center and hook a very short bungy cord in it. Hook the other end to the ground or a heavy weight and hang it. This might help. If you have the time and parts, drill two holes, one in each lower corner and hook bungies in them and secure the other ends of them to the trees.
I have a sand bag that I staple paper targets to swinging from a rope. With hand guns, you are close enough to see where you are hitting. Food for thought, you should not shoot at something that you are not sure you can hit. So the sand bag swings and turns at the same time but you can only shoot when you think you have a clean shot. This adds some fun and hones skills at the same time. The bag does not need to spin or swing that much, just enough to never be in the same place to long.
I can see why that could be a problem for you. A 40 cal. is a MAN's gun. It requires a man-sized hand and requires some adult muscle to handle it.
Just yankin' your chain kid.
I have never had any "recoil problems" or ever felt any "after effects" in my arm, neck or shoulder muscles after many long days at the range shooting up a LOT of rounds of 40 To be fair though, 9mm does feel comparatively 'mild" after you are used to an "adult" caliber.
don't get me wrong I have a 4th gen glock 22 and a s&w xd40 ,, the glock I have now is a full frame and is much more controllable than my old 27... now you wana talk about a man caliber I've got the legendary desert eagle.... you fell like a man shooting that thing
now when I say the .40 cal has a distinct kick what I mean by that is, it has a very sudden horse like upwards kick where as from what I've seen from .45 (1911's) and 9MM's it has a backwards push and is a bit more predictable and controllable. even in the .50AE cal it is more of a backwards push unless you're not ready for it than your getting punched in the nose.
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