No where else can you have a bunch of threads on anything, and have people that don't agree with your opinions on subjects, give you -neg's on the rating system..
over your opinion/stance on a subject..
not all that shocking with todays society that tries to silence opinions and facts that doesn't fit their agenda/thinking...

So what are you getting at?
Good place? Bad place?


Kinda looks like you are just being a whiney ass ***** . Not sure.

I think your negs come from your condescending tones, Not so much your opinions on an actual subject.
In my opinion.
When you try and are civil alot of detailed and useful opinion is in your posts.
You are neutral in my ratings, but this thread may not help things for you.
Again, just my obervations and opinion.

quote Originally posted by E.Furgal: No where else can you have a bunch of threads on anything, and have people that don't agree with your opinions on subjects, give you -neg's on the rating system.. over your opinion/stance on a subject.. not all that shocking with todays society that tries to silence opinions and facts that doesn't fit their agenda/thinking...

Not everyone is like this.

YOu came into my thread today, TOTALLY unannounced, and gave your opinion (and suggested I consider all angles). And I gave you a + for that, partly because your red bar made me a little sad, and partly because you weren't a d1ck about your opinion.

Not sure what you've said elsewhere which 'earned' you your red, I haven't seen anything, or recall anything you said. Also gave out a few other +'s out today, because I realize I haven't really done that to a few of the newer folks (a bunch of you already have +'s from my old account, and I didn't want to be naughty by giving multiple +'s...)

It was kinda cute to watch your arrow-thingie go towards the green after I rated you. It allowed me to clear my mind of all the terrible, awful things I have done today. Hafta figure out what to do to get me through the night...

*lustfully eyeballs a few other ratings bars...*

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quote Originally posted by 2.5: I think your negs come from your condescending tones, Not so much your opinions on an actual subject. In my opinion. When you try and are civil alot of detailed and useful opinion is in your posts. You are neutral in my ratings, but this thread may not help things for you. Again, just my obervations and opinion.

People use the rating system differently but I think it takes some effort to motivation someone to give a negative. No doubt repeated annoyance motivates some. I don't see how someone can be "silenced" because it takes a bazillion negs to throw someone off.

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quote Originally posted by TheDigitalAlchemist: *lustfully eyeballs a few other ratings bars...*

Just threw you a + for the followup on the 2nd grade teacher topic. Handled well.

quote Originally posted by E.Furgal: No where else can you have a bunch of threads on anything, and have people that don't agree with your opinions on subjects, give you -neg's on the rating system.. over your opinion/stance on a subject.. not all that shocking with todays society that tries to silence opinions and facts that doesn't fit their agenda/thinking...

I had already given you a + when I saw all the red in your bar. The rest of you are all rated + by me as well although your bars don't need it. I always wonder where my negs come from. Probably from when I was unaware that I was offending someone. Might help if the person who negs would explain why to me so that I can reconsider my ways. Or not. Some people here wear their negs as a badge of honor.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: I think your negs come from your condescending tones, Not so much your opinions on an actual subject. In my opinion. When you try and are civil alot of detailed and useful opinion is in your posts. You are neutral in my ratings, but this thread may not help things for you. Again, just my obervations and opinion.

I second this.

I distribute negs to condescending, know-it-all types who purposely and purposefully pervert what I have to say. This is a bit of a problem for me, as everyone is made in God's image, though, in my opinion, they don't deserve to have been. He extends His Grace to them, where I have difficulty doing so. He's right, I'm wrong, but I'm learning. For the moment, then, I will still give negs to self righteous jerks.

OTOH, there are many people here that I disagree with, and, as far as I can tell in a white type on blue background world, we hold each other in mutual respect. These people will argue with me vehemently on subjects that I am just as passionate about, but we seem to do so in a way that avoids demeaning one another. Many of the same individuals will often be the first, despite an argument in one thread, to offer assistance with a wholly separate issue in another. These people merit pluses.

The rating system was put in place as a sort of self governance on PFF, and, while not perfect, thus far, it has worked well.

Blue background? It's grey, or gray. You people in Mass are crazy. Probably too close to Steve in Maine. Respectfully, PD.

"Thanks to Ed's handy work, the kitty really has taken a pounding".

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: So what are you getting at? Good place? Bad place? Kinda looks like you are just being a whiney ass ***** . Not sure.

, .
T/OT ain't for pussies, .

quote Originally posted by E.Furgal: ... people that don't agree with your opinions on subjects, give you neg's on the rating system ... over your opinion/stance on a subject ...

That's your story and your sticking to it ? I haven't agreed with your opinions but I have not negged you. I don't agree with a lot of opinions and I biatch about it to them. No one will deny I am not confrontational. All of my ratings are from T/OT.
It's not what you say, it's how you say it. I have not seen any disrespectful posts by you. I would almost doubt you got negged in T/OT.
True story. A now banned member thought he had an inoculation from being banned by his T/OT antics, because of his green bar strength from Tech. "Thought" being the key word. Even though he was right.
It's a crazy world. Be glad to be in it, .

Mike, you really should try one of these here new fangled color monitors!

I type on gray, just like you, but then it shows up on one of two shades of blue!

quote Originally posted by E.Furgal: No where else can you have a bunch of threads on anything, and have people that don't agree with your opinions on subjects, give you -neg's on the rating system..

Perhaps not. Then again, you will always get a plus from some for having the balls to step into the lion's den, .
Plus to you.
Now, tell us, inquiring minds want to know. Where/why did you get all that red ?
Did you think you, and your opinions, were gonna come over to T/OT and erase it, ?

PD, Two Shades of Blue? Hmmm, sounds like a novel idea.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: No one will deny I am not confrontational.

Ray Otton needs to talk to you about clarity.

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quote Originally posted by heybjorn: Ray Otton needs to talk to you about clarity.

Do you think it will help ?

Not a novel idea, a naval idea:



Uh, confrontational?

What's up with that?

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No, but I can dream, can't I?

You know what, I had a whole reply typed up but I decided it wasn't worth the possible way you'd take it. Besides it's nothing I hadn't posted before in threads similar to this.

So, I will just say that you have been and still are a neutral in my rating.

So, Mr. E. Furgal,

I remember post-conversing with you on some O/T topics, and then you checked yourself out of O/T quite some time ago.

And just the other day (it seems), you reemerge with your first new post in O/T, after a long hiatus.

I welcome all posters.

Just curious, if there was something specific that motivated you to reemerge here.

I thought it was a 17 year cycle.

Sometimes it's not what you say, but how you say it.

quote Originally posted by TK: I thought it was a 17 year cycle.

Nah, that's them thar see-kader fellers that do that...

quote Originally posted by TheDigitalAlchemist: Nah, that's them thar see-kader fellers that do that...

Oh, my bad.

I told you in tech that I understood the red.

I don't know about OT, but you came across like a prick in Tech. At least, you did in my thread. You might be a bottomless fountain of knowledge for all I know. But when you come into a thread in tech and make proclamations like you did, insulting the technical abilities of just about everyone in the thread, (especially given the high level of competence of some of the posters) your message gets lost, and you get negged. In your defense, you aren't the only one who does that, but that doesn't make it OK. Oddly, It seems that some of the most knowledgeable people in tech come across as abrasive and intolerant of what they perceive as a lack of knowledge.
Referring to that thread, you could very well have been right that *some* of the people who had problems may not have set up their carb correctly, and I might even have been one of them. But coming across like an arrogant condescending dick doesn't win you any friends, no matter how smart you might be. I would look there as a possible source if you're seeing some added red.

quote Originally posted by Blacktree: Sometimes it's not what you say, but how you say it.

quote Originally posted by Taijiguy: I told you in tech that I understood the red. I don't know about OT, but you came across like a prick in Tech. At least, you did in my thread. You might be a bottomless fountain of knowledge for all I know. But when you come into a thread in tech and make proclamations like you did, insulting the technical abilities of just about everyone in the thread, (especially given the high level of competence of some of the posters) your message gets lost, and you get negged. In your defense, you aren't the only one who does that, but that doesn't make it OK. Oddly, It seems that some of the most knowledgeable people in tech come across as abrasive and intolerant of what they perceive as a lack of knowledge. Referring to that thread, you could very well have been right that *some* of the people who had problems may not have set up their carb correctly, and I might even have been one of them. But coming across like an arrogant condescending dick doesn't win you any friends, no matter how smart you might be. I would look there as a possible source if you're seeing some added red.

Yeah, pretty much what the post I wrote was about but decided not to post. Not necessarily the specific post mentioned here, more a general way of posting. I didn't post it because I have not read enough posts from him to judge how he comes across to others and didn't want him or others to take the post the wrong way.

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**** you, that's why.

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Hey I don't argue with anyone in this area and I'm very helpful so can I get some positives too?

quote Originally posted by IMSA GT: Hey I don't argue with anyone in this area and I'm very helpful so can I get some positives too?

You smell like rotted goats milk and you are all wrong, you couldn't help but troll this thread could you?

quote Originally posted by jmbishop: You smell like rotted goats milk and you are all wrong, you couldn't help but troll this thread could you?

Love you too

See what your missing out on?

How your attitude comes across is a big deciding factor.
I have no doubt that I have earned some of my red, and sometimes they just show up?
The system does not offer reasons for ratings or even what topic they came from.

Mayb

quote Originally posted by Rickady88GT: Maybe a person with a significant negative rating should be banned from the section that they got the negatives? If they don't do well in OT but have great info in Tech, they should not be banned totally from PFF because of a political thread and we loose a good source of information and knowledge from Tech.

Now that's a very good suggestion. I think some have been banned with that scenario.

quote Originally posted by heybjorn: Blue background? It's grey, or gray. You people in Mass are crazy. Probably too close to Steve in Maine. Respectfully, PD.

On my screen, the background is a blue with a "tint" of gray..
now your post that I gave quoted here is in a box that is gray..
and the box I typed this in is a charcoal..

but yes we people in MASS, are crazy,, We are not nicknamed massholes for nothing.

quote Originally posted by Rickady88GT: Maybe a person with a significant negative rating should be banned from the section that they got the negatives? If they don't do well in OT but have great info in Tech, they should not be banned totally from PFF because of a political thread and we loose a good source of information and knowledge from Tech.

Or maybe they should just stay out of OT(or whatever section)Learn to deal with other human beings? There are a few people that are no longer here and that I miss but is it THAT hard to control yourself?

Anyone can have a "bad day"(or a bad thread) but few, if any were banned due to that...it was ongoing and painful/sad to witness...

Enjoy your weekend, everyone...

quote Originally posted by Rickady88GT: Maybe a person with a significant negative rating should be banned from the section that they got the negatives? If they don't do well in OT but have great info in Tech, they should not be banned totally from PFF because of a political thread and we loose a good source of information and knowledge from Tech.

That is true...
but the neg's caused in this section shouldn't get a person banned in the first place,nevermind this section. only using cuss words, and hate, Not because that persons views are not in lock step with the majority of the group..
to many (and not just here) take the written word,comment,opinion, that doesn't jive with their thoughts on that subject, as a personal attack.. And get all offended, not because the post was a directed personal bash towards them personally, but that they took it as such..
The rating system is like highschool, if you don't follow the pack, you're voted off the island (cliques).
The rating system in the mall part of the forum is great.. as it's less likely people will +/- a person unless they bought from them..

quote Originally posted by Taijiguy: I don't know about OT, but you came across like a prick in Tech. At least, you did in my thread. You might be a bottomless fountain of knowledge for all I know. But when you come into a thread in tech and make proclamations like you did, insulting the technical abilities of just about everyone in the thread, (especially given the high level of competence of some of the posters) your message gets lost, and you get negged.

THIS ^

x1000

quote Originally posted by E.Furgal: ..get all offended, not because the post was a directed personal bash towards them personally, but that they took it as such.. The rating system in the mall part of the forum is great.. as it's less likely people will +/- a person unless they bought from them..

If thats how youd like to see it you could think of OT as selling yourself?
I wouldnt hold it agianst someone for negging me if they witness me be "being a prick" to someone else.
It would seem like it is just luck to have less witnesses to prickyness result in less negs.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Perhaps not. Then again, you will always get a plus from some for having the balls to step into the lion's den, . Plus to you. Now, tell us, inquiring minds want to know. Where/why did you get all that red ? Did you think you, and your opinions, were gonna come over to T/OT and erase it, ?

Oh, no. I never thought this thread would erase it..
and 99% of the neg's came from this o/t area.. some from tech, when you don't agree with a person, and even when you put out the facts, and your reasoning for your thought on the subject.. many take it as a personal bash. like in a thread on carb's.. I asked one that posted in it, if they ever tested the brand they think is the "bomb" with a wideband o2 sensor, or if their meaning of it works all the time out of the box with no tuning to them means it(engine) starts and runs.. He took it as a personal bash.. it wasn't.. it was asking what he uses to quantify "works out of the box" .
another took issue with a reply,of theirs that was a reply of mine above that one of his , his post was a photo of an intake with the words " REALLY,this intake,sideways, then the photo and then "do tell"
my reply was blunt, asking him to reread my post, and learn what a single plane intake is, cause if he read my post,and understood what a single plane intake was, he shouldn't have replied to it with a phot of a dual plane intake.. of course that started off fireworks.. How dare I ask a person to reread my post , I didn't add the words single plane just to add word count to the post.. He misread my post, or didn't bother with reading the details in it.. sure My reply to it was blunt.. as he tried to dismiss my post on how to fix the issue with a post with wise arse wording, and a photo of a different type intake.. it be like posting a photo of a v6 in a v8 thread..
but most of the negs are from this area,, how can one tell, when you post only in this area, and the rating count goes up, and the color strip gets longer.. most of it is from 2011 and why I steered clear of the o/t forum. but being stuck home on medical leave, I came on over to have things to read,post,have conversations about.. and shockingly, the rating colors and count got bigger, and why I started this thread..