Loathe Trump or not, he is a success at what he sets out to do. He rhetoric may turn some people off because it's not politically correct the unvarnished truth, something this country needs to get back to.....
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Loathe Trump or not, he is a success at what he sets out to do. He rhetoric may turn some people off because it's not politically correct the unvarnished truth, something this country needs to get back to.....
I have always seen it as hypocrisy that someone would have a problem with their neighbor snooping around their yard, trash can, car and mailbox, but has no problem voting for people who think it is ok for the government to
- Take your property and it contents, - Search and confiscate your car, - Monitor your mail and phone without your knowledge, - Access your bank accounts, investments and medical records, - Restrict constitutional rights and Now are - Considering criminal penalties for speech that counters AGW. - That wants to regulate political content on the internet.
All in the name of fairness and the common good. (status: Unresolved)
So is Obama. The question is if his goals are what we think they are.
The yardstick in this land,, the land of capitalism
Obama has not built a darn thing,, tho. I'm sure Obama would tell trump he didn't build that.. without blinking...
It is easy to get your wants across when you have both houses of congress.. once that died, he got nothing done, other than bypassing congress.. and stomp'n on our founding documents while doing it.. He couldn't get his way, so he played dictator, with a pen... no one call him on it after the first few times, as the media automaticly labeled anyone that questioned th actions of lord obutter, as racist.. Obama's calling card and history footnote if textbooks were not liberal teaching aids, and p/c.. would say, he was a leader that used the race card to get his way, and kill any opposition.. with the media playing the race card angle..
I loathe Trump, but if Killary wins and nominates the next SCOTUS Justice, the Constitution as we know it is gone for the next 30 years.
Really? This is absurd F88, what's so horrible about Trump? Sure, he divorced and had another wife... so he's not as pure as Ronald Reagan was... oh wait, Reagan did that too. Is it because Trump has changed his mind over the years on various things? Is that what it is? People can change their mind... why is that such a big deal? He talks the same right now to everyone, regardless of where he is. It's not like Hillary who's accent changes depending on where she is. I used to totally support abortion... but now I'm vehemently against it. I used to be totally against gay marriage, now I'm totally ok with it.
People change, we should expect them to from time to time. Unless there's something I'm drastically missing here, your views on Trump are kind of moronic. Are you one of those people who have fallen prey to the attacks from the left that have labelled Trump a racist... so you feel embarrassed to say you'd vote for him? Or... are you subscribed to National Review, and they all say he's not a true Conservative?
This is probably the most conservative person we've had since Reagan. Do you want Romney? Do you want Ted Cruz? Is that who you want??? Cruz sold out at the first second it was politically expedient to do so. Did you see how he voted in that last technology bill? It totally violated the 4th amendment. Please... this whole argument... "I loath Trump" is f**king retarded.
GET OVER IT... either vote for Trump and shut the hell up, or go vote for Hillary. Because everything else you're doing is only helping Hillary.
I'm sure.. formula's views are the same as they always have been,, and never have changed.. <rolls eyes>
The way anyone thinks at 20/30/40/50 or as they get more worldly changes.. from what they used to think..
Sadly, to many think /hold some to a standard that can't never be met by anyone that keeps on learning, and keeps an open mind..
only people that never change their minds, are those reading a script, and told what to think/say..
Sadly, both parties will prop up a 3rd party option.. to stop Trump.. and those that won't vote for trump but want to be able to claim they didn't vote for Clinton. will vote for these 3rd party options.. knowing fully that doing so is a vote for Clinton... and will be the first ones to ***** as we as a country fall apart even more.. but will sleep well at night as they'll tell themselves they didn't vote for her thighness.
After seeing the "convenient" friendly meeting that Bill Clinton had with the AG, how much do you want to bet that, if Hillary gets to sit in the big chair, Loretta Lynch will at least be in the short line to be a Supreme Court Justice?
Same could be said for Hillary. Actually Hillary didn't have daddy's money, like Trump, so she did it on her own. Trump and Hillary both lie, cheat, threaten and know how to manipulate people. Peas in a pod.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:
Loathe Trump or not, he is a success at what he sets out to do.
Looks like the system worked again.... Depending on what side you are on.
*The system in which you have money/power and use that to get away with whatever you want.
Next step; President Clinton.
Stand by to see how they destroy Trump, My bet is a "random" shooting from a left winger that will never be found to belong to the Hillary camp (in official channels) and is killed in a police shootout afterwards leaving zero explanation.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Unless there's something I'm drastically missing here, your views on Trump are kind of moronic. Are you one of those people who have fallen prey to the attacks from the left that have labelled Trump a racist... so you feel embarrassed to say you'd vote for him? Or... are you subscribed to National Review, and they all say he's not a true Conservative?
This is the level of vitriol I'm seeing from both sides if you don't support their "chosen one." Think, don't emote.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: GET OVER IT... either vote for Trump and shut the hell up, or go vote for Hillary. Because everything else you're doing is only helping Hillary.
Get over yourself. The only, and I mean ONLY, reason I would ever vote for Trump is to prevent Hillary from nominating the next SCOTUS Justice. Spare me the righteous indignation because I'm not kissing Trump's ass like the rest of you angry sycophants out there. Trump is the GOP version of Obama. His entire campaign is run on the same emotion that got Obama elected and your vitriol is a perfect example of how well you're being played.
He may use the same tactics to get elected, but the message is entirely different.
I'm surprised you don't see that.
LOL... what message is that exactly? The one he wants you to believe (just like Obama) or the one he really believes...."watch the stupid people vote for me" (just like Obama)?
Same could be said for Hillary. Actually Hillary didn't have daddy's money, like Trump, so she did it on her own. Trump and Hillary both lie, cheat, threaten and know how to manipulate people. Peas in a pod.
Hillary certainly didn't make money on her own; not legally anyway (Whitewater, the Clinton Foundation scandals, etc).
Sure, she made a lot of money from speaking fees and by donations from foreign governments (in exchange for what should be examined, but I digress)... The money she has was really "made" off of Bill Clinton's name, that's why she never left him despite his very frequent infidelity. The name "Hillary Rodham" would be unknown in today's politics if it wasn't for her being married to Bill Clinton.
LOL... what message is that exactly? The one he wants you to believe (just like Obama) or the one he really believes...."watch the stupid people vote for me" (just like Obama)?
Hillary certainly didn't make money on her own; not legally anyway (Whitewater, the Clinton Foundation scandals, etc).
Sure, she made a lot of money from speaking fees and by donations from foreign governments (in exchange for what should be examined, but I digress)... The money she has was really "made" off of Bill Clinton's name, that's why she never left him despite his very frequent infidelity. The name "Hillary Rodham" would be unknown in today's politics if it wasn't for her being married to Bill Clinton.
Again, it wasn't daddy's money. She made her decisions and made her money based on that. She is in a partnership with Bill (just like a business partnership). I am not sure how you can even argue this... it is clear. It is obvious people here hate her so much that they try to twist everything, even the truth. Strange.
Again, it wasn't daddy's money. She made her decisions and made her money based on that. She is in a partnership with Bill (just like a business partnership). I am not sure how you can even argue this... it is clear.
How many people have won millions in the lottery and went on to make millions more off of that money? Most don't. Most blow it and end up just as poor as they were before they won. Am I angry because Trump got an inheritance or was given money by his father and he used it to build a real-estate empire? Nope. It would be nice if I was afforded the same opportunity, but I wasn't; and that's life.
Hillary was universally unknown before Bill became president and she and Bill both complained they both left the White House "broke". Well things have certainly changed. How did they/she make her millions? Shady land deals? A fraudulent charity? Corruptly using her position as Secretary of State to get donations from foreign countries? These are all things that should be scrutinized very closely. But it will never happen. If Trump did anything illegal or even unethical to make his money - it would be plastered all over the TV and newspapers until November because he has an "R" next to his name. But because Hillary has a "D" next to her name, she gets a PASS.
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It is obvious people here hate her so much that they try to twist everything, even the truth. Strange.
And strangely, even though you claim to not support Hillary, you repeatedly go out of your way to defend her.
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He may use the same tactics to get elected, but the message is entirely different.
I'm surprised you don't see that.
You're right. "Change we can believe in" has been replaced with "Make America great again." The message is the same, even if some of Trump's platform is different. I'm surprised you can't tell the difference between the platform and the message.
As far apart as we have been politically over the years, after reading this, I feel you may know or least can see how I feel.
AMERICA DIED
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Originally posted by Formula88:
Get over yourself. The only, and I mean ONLY, reason I would ever vote for Trump is to prevent Hillary from nominating the next SCOTUS Justice. Spare me the righteous indignation because I'm not kissing Trump's ass like the rest of you angry sycophants out there. Trump is the GOP version of Obama. His entire campaign is run on the same emotion that got Obama elected and your vitriol is a perfect example of how well you're being played.
And strangely, even though you claim to not support Hillary, you repeatedly go out of your way to defend her.
Nope, false... again. I am not a Hillary supporter (unlike many closet Trump supporters who tell us how they hate Trump, but you and I know they will pull the lever for him). It doesn't matter what happens with Hillary... if she saves a life of a dying baby, you will find a reason to tell us how selfish she was and could have done more. I am not a Hillary supporter, BUT I am a supporter of FACTS and TRUTH. Neither seem to be something you believe in when it comes to someone you hate. Trump is just as bad as Hillary, but you ignore it. You can't stand the fact that Hillary made her own money. Does it offend you that a woman built a career out of nothing? It seems so. She made her own decisions. She wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth (unlike Trumper). I would think people would at least respect that she did it on her own, even if you don't like her politics. But I know... facts don't matter, only anger.
(Oh, before you tell us how great Trump is... where would he be without his father's money? Probably a century 21 agent or a used car salesman, as that is what he is when you take away the brand). Anyone want to talk about Trump University? Of course Trump will win those legal cases, as he can buy the best lawyers. Again, you are ignoring many things when it comes to Trump. He is not an angel, he is just as like Hillary.... they will both do what is best for themselves.
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You forget this is an open forum and ANYONE can respond to your comments, that was my point. If you have a specific question to someone, take it to PM, if you don't want others to comment.
"Change we can believe in" has been replaced with "Make America great again." The message is the same, even if some of Trump's platform is different. I'm surprised you can't tell the difference between the platform and the message.
Agreed. I will give credit to Trump, he is smart and learned how to run a campaign... he knows how to manipulate people, just like Obama did. Hillary... she doesn't get it, and if she did, she would have this election in the bag. She is her own worst enemy.
Agreed. I will give credit to Trump, he is smart and learned how to run a campaign... he knows how to manipulate people, just like Obama did. Hillary... she doesn't get it, and if she did, she would have this election in the bag. She is her own worst enemy.
To be honest, I think Hillary didn't think she'd actually have to work for the Presidency, let alone the nomination. All of her "yes personnel" have been telling her for years that she was owed the Presidency. I wonder if she believed it. Trump knows how to play the crowd and the media. I often wonder whether he means half of what he says, or he's just saying those outrageous things to get all of the free press they've been giving him. Publicity's publicity. No matter if it's good or bad, all throughout the campaign, Trump has been able to keep his name in the headlines. If nothing, this election year will be one for the history books. If our choices for Presidential nominees keep going the way they are, I foresee a possible President Miley in our future. Oy!
To be honest, I think Hillary didn't think she'd actually have to work for the Presidency, let alone the nomination. All of her "yes personnel" have been telling her for years that she was owed the Presidency. I wonder if she believed it. Trump knows how to play the crowd and the media. I often wonder whether he means half of what he says, or he's just saying those outrageous things to get all of the free press they've been giving him. Publicity's publicity. No matter if it's good or bad, all throughout the campaign, Trump has been able to keep his name in the headlines. If nothing, this election year will be one for the history books. If our choices for Presidential nominees keep going the way they are, I foresee a possible President Miley in our future. Oy!
I have a feeling that a lot of people will sit this election out.
Don't be so sure about that. Primary results show democrat turnout is down 21% while republican turnout is up 62%. Hillary received about 1 million FEWER primary votes this cycle than she did in 2008.
Of course, not all republicans who voted in primaries voted for Trump; but not all democrats who voted in primaries voted for Hillary either.
