Don't be histrionic, Dude. Find one sentence, one post wherein I stated that all American Whites were racist.
I'll wait over here. It's gonna take you a while.
My statement is a stand-alone statement that was my thought which resulted from your statement that I quoted. In no way does it imply that you have said anything other than what was quoted.
And if you could state whether or not you agree with my statement and why, it would aid in the advancement of this discussion. Thanks.
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Yeah, we NEED another freshman Senator elected......its worked so well in the past. Or a Socialist. Or a (help me here, I am at a loss of words to describe HRC).....
Yeah, we NEED another freshman Senator elected......its worked so well in the past. Or a Socialist. Or a (help me here, I am at a loss of words to describe HRC).....
What has Trump done to "Make America Great Again"? The guy is still an empty suit, just like Obama. Hope and Change....
I think most that have tried to make much positive change have quickly realized that is near impossible with the dysfunction in Washington. Maybe if someone like Trump does get in it will cause the house of cards to fall and something better will result.
Wasn't there an Ivy league professor that said he would run and if elected would change the way Congress etc. was set up and then resign once that was done?
What has Trump done to "Make America Great Again"? The guy is still an empty suit, just like Obama. Hope and Change....
I agree completely. He's the same thing as Obama, but playing to the other side. Trump is playing very similar to Obama's first presidential run. He's playing to people's anger and emotions and they're cheering the bluster without actually paying attention to what he's saying and considering what that really means.
Trump, if anything, is proof that conservatives won't necessarily vote for anyone just because there's an (R) after their name.
An open letter from Ben Sasse, the Republican Senator from Nebraska.
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AN OPEN LETTER TO TRUMP SUPPORTERS
To my friends supporting Donald Trump:
The Trump coalition is broad and complicated, but I believe many Trump fans are well-meaning. I have spoken at length with many of you, both inside and outside Nebraska. You are rightly worried about our national direction. You ache about a crony-capitalist leadership class that is not urgent about tackling our crises. You are right to be angry.
I’m as frustrated and saddened as you are about what’s happening to our country. But I cannot support Donald Trump.
Please understand: I’m not an establishment Republican, and I will never support Hillary Clinton. I’m a movement conservative who was elected over the objections of the GOP establishment. My current answer for who I would support in a hypothetical matchup between Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton is: Neither of them. I sincerely hope we select one of the other GOP candidates, but if Donald Trump ends up as the GOP nominee, conservatives will need to find a third option.
Mr. Trump’s relentless focus is on dividing Americans, and on tearing down rather than building back up this glorious nation. Much like President Obama, he displays essentially no understanding of the fact that, in the American system, we have a constitutional system of checks and balances, with three separate but co-equal branches of government. And the task of public officials is to be public “servants.” The law is king, and the people are boss. But have you noticed how Mr. Trump uses the word “Reign” – like he thinks he’s running for King? It’s creepy, actually. Nebraskans are not looking for a king. We yearn instead for the recovery of a Constitutional Republic.
At this point in Nebraska discussions, many of you have immediately gotten practical: “Okay, fine, you think there are better choices than Trump. But you would certainly still vote for Trump over Clinton in a general election, right?”
Before I explain why my answer is “Neither of them,” let me correct some nonsense you might have heard on the internet of late.
WHY I RAN FOR SENATE
***No, I’m not a career politician. (I had never run for anything until being elected to the U.S. Senate fifteen months ago, and I ran precisely because I actually want to make America great again.) ***No, I’m not a lawyer who has never created a job. (I was a business guy before becoming a college president in my hometown.) ***No, I’m not part of the Establishment. (Sheesh, I had attack ads by the lobbyist class run against me while I was on a bus tour doing 16 months of townhalls across Nebraska. Why? Precisely because I was not the preferred candidate of Washington.) ***No, I’m not concerned about political job security. (The very first thing I did upon being sworn in in January 2015 was to introduce a constitutional amendment for term limits – this didn’t exactly endear me to my new colleagues.) ***No, I’m not for open borders. (The very first official trip I took in the Senate was to observe and condemn how laughably porous the Texas/Mexican border is. See 70 tweets from @bensasse in February 2015.) ***No, I’m not a “squishy,” feel-good, grow-government moderate. (I have the 4th most-conservative voting record in the Senate: https://www.conservativerev...bers/benjamin-sasse/http://www.heritageactionsc...be…/member/S001197 )
In my very first speech to the Senate, I told my colleagues that “The people despise us all.” This institution needs to get to work, not on the lobbyists’ priorities, but on the people’s: https://youtu.be/zQMoB4aUn04?t=3m8s
Now, to the question at hand: Will I pledge to vote for just any “Republican” nominee over Hillary Clinton?
Let’s begin by rejecting naïve purists: Politics has no angels. Politics is not about creating heaven on earth. Politics is simply about preserving a framework for ordered liberty – so that free people can find meaning and happiness not in politics but in their families, their neighborhoods, their work.
POLITICAL PARTIES
Now, let’s talk about political parties: parties are just tools to enact the things that we believe. Political parties are not families; they are not religions; they are not nations – they are often not even on the level of sports loyalties. They are just tools. I was not born Republican. I chose this party, for as long as it is useful.
If our Party is no longer working for the things we believe in – like defending the sanctity of life, stopping ObamaCare, protecting the Second Amendment, etc. – then people of good conscience should stop supporting that party until it is reformed.
VOTING
Now, let’s talk about voting: Voting is usually just about choosing the lesser evil of the most viable candidates.
“Usually…” But not always. Certain moments are larger. They cause us to explicitly ask: Who are we as a people? What does the way we vote here say about our shared identity? What is actually the president’s job?
THE PRESIDENT’S CORE CALLING
The president’s job is not about just mindlessly shouting the word “strong” – as if Vladimir Putin, who has been strongly bombing civilian populations in Syria the last month, is somehow a model for the American presidency. No, the president’s core calling is to “Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constitution.”
Before we ever get into any technical policy fights – about pipelines, or marginal tax rates, or term limits, or Medicare reimbursement codes – America is first and fundamentally about a shared Constitutional creed. America is exceptional, because she is at her heart a big, bold truth claim about human dignity, natural rights, and self-control – and therefore necessarily about limited rather than limitless government.
THE MEANING OF AMERICA
America is the most exceptional nation in the history of the world because our Constitution is the best political document that’s ever been written. It said something different than almost any other government had said before: Most governments before said that might makes right, that government decides what our rights are and that the people are just dependent subjects. Our Founders said that God gives us rights by nature, and that government is not the author or source of our rights. Government is just our shared project to secure those rights.
Government exists only because the world is fallen, and some people want to take your property, your liberty, and your life. Government is tasked with securing a framework for ordered liberty where “we the people” can in our communities voluntarily build something great together for our kids and grandkids. That’s America. Freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of association, freedom of speech – the First Amendment is the heartbeat of the American Constitution, of the American idea itself.
WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO MR. TRUMP?
So let me ask you: Do you believe the beating heart of Mr. Trump’s candidacy has been a defense of the Constitution? Do you believe it’s been an impassioned defense of the First Amendment – or an attack on it?
Which of the following quotes give you great comfort that he’s in love with the First Amendment, that he is committed to defending the Constitution, that he believes in executive restraint, that he understands servant leadership? Statements from Trump: ***“We’re going to open up libel laws and we’re going to have people sue you like you’ve never got sued before.” ***“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. They were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak…” ***Putin, who has killed journalists and is pillaging Ukraine, is a great leader. ***The editor of National Review “should not be allowed on TV and the FCC should fine him.” ***On whether he will use executive orders to end-run Congress, as President Obama has illegally done: "I won't refuse it. I'm going to do a lot of things." “I mean, he’s led the way, to be honest with you.” ***“Sixty-eight percent would not leave under any circumstance. I think that means murder. It think it means anything.” ***On the internet: “I would certainly be open to closing areas” of it. ***His lawyers to people selling anti-Trump t-shirts: “Mr. Trump considers this to be a very serious matter and has authorized our legal team to take all necessary and appropriate actions to bring an immediate halt...” ***Similar threatening legal letters to competing campaigns running ads about his record.
And on it goes…
IF MR. TRUMP BECOMES THE NOMINEE...
Given what we know about him today, here’s where I’m at: If Donald Trump becomes the Republican nominee, my expectation is that I will look for some third candidate – a conservative option, a Constitutionalist.
I do not claim to speak for a movement, but I suspect I am far from alone. After listening to Nebraskans in recent weeks, and talking to a great many people who take oaths seriously, I think many are in the same place. I believe a sizable share of Christians – who regard threats against religious liberty as arguably the greatest crisis of our time – are unwilling to support any candidate who does not make a full-throated defense of the First Amendment a first commitment of their candidacy.
Conservatives understand that all men are created equal and made in the image of God, but also that government must be limited so that fallen men do not wield too much power. A presidential candidate who boasts about what he'll do during his "reign" and refuses to condemn the KKK cannot lead a conservative movement in America.
TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT
Thank you for listening. While I recognize that we disagree about how to make America great again, we agree that this should be our goal. We need more people engaged in the civic life of our country—not fewer. I genuinely appreciate how much many of you care about this country, and that you are demanding something different from Washington. I’m going to keep doing the same thing.
I admit I don't like the guy because he is an arrogant loud mouth egotistic bullshitter so this was all the more funny.
On a political note My views and opinions on the the stupid public this nation is choke full of are completely validated. Just look at the candidates the two largest political gangs will support and defend. . Trump and Clinton. LOL I'll just drop the mic and walk off stage with that.
Trump treats everything like business. Politically that is sketchy. People don't like that **** .
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Former KKK leader David Duke endorsed Trump and said anyone who doesn’t vote for him is betraying their white heritage.
White supremacists and racists love the guy and say he has caused a resurgence in their ranks.
Now, in Iowa, we see that Trump’s bigotry is spreading to high school basketball games. It’s ugly and infuriating.
Dallas Center-Grimes High School in Des Moines is predominantly white. After their basketball team, which appeared also to be predominantly white, lost to Perry High School, fans began chanting “Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump” at the opposing players — many of who were Latino.
The coach confirmed that almost all of his Latino players were actually born right there in Iowa.
Of course, the students were disturbed by it. Staff from Perry High School said the chants, which have actually happened before, were demoralizing.
Players from Perry said they regularly are forced to endure bigotry from opposing teams before, during and after the games.
What’s wild is that to the white students from Dallas Center-Grimes High School even chanting the name, the single word “Trump,” was an intimidating insult. They knew exactly how simply the word “Trump” would make other kids feel.
This is not 1936 or 1966, but here we are, in 2016, with a leading Republican candidate so closely identified with bigotry that kids know saying his name will unsettle students of color.
This is what happened to Jackie Robinson as he broke the color line. Now, the color lines are fully broken, but the same old ugliness is filling sports arenas and white children feel fully empowered to be public bigots.
Hell, if Trump can do it, why can’t they?
As it turns out, what happened in Iowa is not an isolated incident of white students using Trump to intimidate others.
In Indiana, white high school students held a cutout of Trump and yelled “Build the Wall” at opposing students and fans.
What this confirms for all of us is that racism and bigotry aren’t dying with previous generations. They are being gleefully passed from one generation to the next and Donald Trump is absolutely energizing this process.
His campaign is fueled by bigotry. It’s foundation is bigotry. And the deeper and uglier he goes, the more popular he gets.
My sincere guess is that Donald Trump is going to crush it in the 13 Super Tuesday states tomorrow. Many of them are in the old confederacy and they adore Trump.
What we see here, though, is that real children are already paying the price for his popularity.
Yeah, I agree that he inspires the worst in people and gives them the courage to let out their repressed opinions they might normally consider distasteful uncouth or god forbid just wrong and immoral. But it is the kind of courage that isn't really courage. The reason they repress these things is the same reason they will release them openly. It has to do with being apart of a big enough group of people to remain safe. If society rains on you for being an insecure uneducated troglodyte racist chances are you won't be showing those colors. If there is suddenly some one of importance creating a large enough umbrella group they will get under it and those colors won't run.
But is it a bad thing?
I think it works both ways. Many people have these things brought to their attention and decide that isn't what they want to be and change for the better.
Now I realize that Racism is your thing Doni but it is so much more. This upsetting of the taboo's in our social divide is more than a rift of races. Mixing up the interests of all the social demographics we have only brings more people on board the awareness train. The more people onboard regardless of differences at least we start going in the same direction instead of pulling ourselves apart.
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Oliver is a comedian. So this is his Trump show, whats he got on Obuma and Hillary ? It has to be a worse picture than this. Heres some Hillary material for him...
" This one is more about why we don’t want Hillary.
I think this sums it up well !
Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are in a bar. Donald leans over, and with a smile on his face, says,
"The media are really tearing you apart for That Scandal."
Hillary: "You mean my lying about Benghazi?"
Trump: "No, the other one."
Hillary: "You mean the massive voter fraud?"
Trump: "No, the other one."
Hillary: "You mean the military not getting their votes counted?"
Trump: "No, the other one."
Hillary: "Using my secret private server with classified material to Hide my Activities?"
Trump: "No, the other one."
Hillary: "The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything Else?"
Trump: "No, the other one."
Hillary: "Using the Clinton Foundation as a cover for tax evasion, hiring cronies, and taking bribes from foreign countries?
Trump: "No, the other one."
Hillary: "You mean the drones being operated in our own country without The Benefit of the law?"
Trump: "No, the other one."
Hillary: "Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million, and right afterward it Declared Bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?"
Trump: "No, the other one."
Hillary: "You mean arming the Muslim Brotherhood and hiring them in the White House?"
Now I realize that Racism is your thing Doni but it is so much more.
Unfortunately, it is very much "my thing." I'd love for it not to be...but it doesn't seem to be going away any time soon. I find it amazing that the ones who either most vehmently deny its existence or implore persons of color to "get over it" are those who are, by and large, least likely to encounter it.
So, I guess I'll continue with "my thing" for the time being, thank you. It will likely remain MY issue as long as it is AN issue.
That is, of course, unless you are suggesting that those who are subject to it should assume the impetus of eradicating it.
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Everyone I speak with from "across the pond" recently thinks we've FINALLY lost our friggin' minds. I don't know who said it first but, in the opinion of many of our allies, "America has gone from infancy to senility...without ever achieving maturity."
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In Canada, they are concerned. The UK tried to ban him. As the world watches Donald Trump’s success in the American presidential primary, they are alternately repulsed and perplexed. While Mr. Trump’s vile rants on women, immigrants and anyone else he doesn’t like the look of has made him a front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination at home, abroad he causes confusion.
When Deutsche Welle asked people on the street in Cologne, Germany about Mr. Trump’s success, one man responded with a common sentiment among Europeans, “I’m always asking myself: What the heck?“. As another woman’s response suggested, Europeans don’t understand why Americans would allow an unqualified person to run for president just because he is rich and famous.
“I wouldn’t say that I don’t think highly of him. I just find it questionable that someone can participate in something just because of the fact that he has a pile of money.”
All across Europe there has been a rise in populist parties, but a man who echoes that extreme-right rhetoric being President is very worrisome. They have responded to Mr. Trump’s success in the US by satirizing him on everything from newspaper and magazine covers to parade floats. The recent Cologne carnival featured floats that tackled many controversial political issues, including one featuring a caricature of Mr. Trump with the phrase “Make fascism great again” written along the hair.
Beyond Donald Trump’s Success, U.S. Elections Hold A Bizarre Fascination For Europeans
American elections are usually bizarrely fascinating for Europeans. The US is an incomparable global power, so the outcome is important for people all over the world. This even though the process is, well, very foreign to most. The amount of money spent on an American presidential campaign, even in primaries for minor candidates, is astounding to most Europeans. And it seems to go on forever. By comparison, the Republic of Ireland held their federal elections on Friday (February 26), a whopping three weeks after campaigning began.
This election, however, Donald Trump’s success has become a particularly intriguing oddity. This week in France, magazine Le Point published a twelve page spread on the candidate with a headline reading, “Hurricane Trump,” and left-wing newspaper Libération’s front page headline read “The Big Idiot On The Rise” (a play on a French nursery rhyme). In Germany, Der Spiegel magazine recently ran a cover story titled, “Madness: America’s Agitator Donald Trump.” The fascination is not new and similar headlines have been running in Europe for some time. Back in August, the Libération cover story on Donald Trump read, “America’s Nightmare”. Unfortunately, given the delegate count, it doesn’t look like Americans plan on waking up anytime soon.
It's nothing new. I remember the Europeans saying the same thing when Goldwater got the nomination in '64 and when a peanut farmer from Georgia won in '76.
I'm not hearing an apology or seeing any back peddling. Don't like what someone says? Call them racists!! Silence and shame all views contrary to your own. You are here in the presence of a mostly white forum membership and you are accepted here even though you seem to sneer at those who converse with you. Racists come in all colors and sometimes the mirror will show you the closest one.
I'm not hearing an apology or seeing any back peddling.
You honestly expect me to? LMBAO!! Don't hold your breath. I won't even begin to revive some of the "discussions' I've had with some of the members here over 15-odd years and NEVER recieved anything even vaguely resembling an apology.
Please....spare me the false umbrage. How convenient.
You've got your opinions, I have mine. Ain't that what makes us all soooo special?
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I don't expect you to. Might just be to much to ask for you with your experiences to change your attitude. But I got to tell you. The direction you come from doesn't help in healing. You are not part of the solution. You are the one that has to carry that anyway. Many other are moving on.
No need to go to your default accusations especially the one where I don't know or experience it. I know them all already.
Trump apparently has this in the bag. He cleaned up last nite. On the 15th he will do the same thing. Then he can go for Hillary's jugular. So much material there for him, some will prob not even get mentioned before November.
Trump apparently has this in the bag. He cleaned up last nite. On the 15th he will do the same thing. Then he can go for Hillary's jugular. So much material there for him, some will prob not even get mentioned before November.
He already started last night.
I can't wait for him to threaten to sue her and the government for allowing her to run in the first place.
