Oh, plenty of blame to go around Jake. Even my "snowblower man" with his blurred out back side is a violation according to their policy guidelines. Sad part is, we each and all have known from day one, that this is supposed to be a family oriented-family-kid safe 'G-rated' board, even and especially OT.
Agreed. Another member (and a really good guy) suggested that one of my posts may be one of those in "violation". It was one of the "Finish the Story" threads. I used a word that rhymes with "reflection".
Is that a bad word? Or is it about context? Could I refer to a "tent in my pants"?
As a admirer of writers & the art of writing, I guess I don't understand where the line is drawn....
P.S. What about when Google decides that I can't talk about Marijuana, because federally it's illegal, even though it's legal in my state? Or making jokes about drunk-driving? M.A.D. drove comedian Foster Brooks out-of-business...it wasn't "PC" to joke about drunk-driving.
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Keep in mind folks, that the baby is supposed to be dried off and powdered a bit after it's bath--not thrown out with the dirty bathwater. Some of you, may be over reacting a bit on the personal level.
Keep in mind folks, that the baby is supposed to be dried off and powdered a bit after it's bath--not thrown out with the dirty bathwater. Some of you, may be over reacting a bit on the personal level.
I just don't want to be the cause......of anyone's troubles. I'm not here (or anywhere) for that.
I'm all about Peace, Love,.........Spare Change? :handout:
Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: Another good point with those ads...I never bother with them since I seldom buy online, and when I do it is someplace where I can order online and pick-up in store, and THOSE types of ads never show up.
I buy online plenty, have clicked on the ads, and have bought things after clicking from Pennocks.
We need to avoid words like **, ***, ****, *****, ******, ******, ********, or *********. I live down the street from the Google plex, you like I should pee on their lawn? Unfortunately corporations have a right to make decisions based on anything or nothing, I believe in trying to influence companies but, I would not like their rights taken away. I had contacted a drink company about the possibility of changing their formula and I was put through to their scientist. A few emails later, about 3/4 of a year and I helped them change the recipe. I had most time to fuss about stuff back then but, I did demonstrate that a consumer could effect a corporation. Maybe, if we all email google officials daily.
Cliff I would agree that dumping the Trash Can is needed. If most of the ad revenue is made from the O/T and there is some history that is important then it would a mistake to dump the entire O/T. May I suggest that a certain date be picked and anything prior to that date be taken off line and made available by download or dvd only.
Cliff I would agree that dumping the Trash Can is needed. If most of the ad revenue is made from the O/T and there is some history that is important then it would a mistake to dump the entire O/T. May I suggest that a certain date be picked and anything prior to that date be taken off line and made available by download or dvd only.
My own personal belief is that there is nothing sacred in TOT that can not be replicated. Nor is there anything of significant value to be found in the Trash Can. I have no problem deleting them both and in fact would delete all of my own threads if I had that capability. Unfortunately, I don't.............Not that I think I or my threads might be the source of this scandal but, because the value they represent is less than nothing to me at this point.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug
P.S. What about when Google decides that I can't talk about [weed], because federally it's illegal, even though it's legal in my state?
You know, it's really not, Boonie. Federal trumps state every time. As long as it's illegal on the federal level, it is technically illegal on the state level. The states that allow it are only choosing to NOT enforce the laws against it. Personally (and you didn't ask for my opinion), I don't think it's any worse (or better) than alcohol. I say, make it legal, tax the crap out of it (like tobacco) and be done with it. (I never saved as much money as I did when I quit smoking/chewing a couple years ago.)
Oh, plenty of blame to go around Jake. Even my "snowblower man" with his blurred out back side is a violation according to their policy guidelines. Sad part is, we each and all have known from day one, that this is supposed to be a family oriented-family-kid safe 'G-rated' board, even and especially OT.
I want to know what we did wrong, is it wrong to talk about the subject at all, or is it OK to talk about the subject if it is all negative to anything related to the subject. we have had many topics that that are also related to homosexuals that turned into a P discussion but many thought one way and others not. How can we tell what is allowed is it just mentioning it or talking about it?
I buy online plenty, have clicked on the ads, and have bought things after clicking from Pennocks.
We need to avoid words like **, ***, ****, *****, ******, ******, ********, or *********. I live down the street from the Google plex, you like I should pee on their lawn? Unfortunately corporations have a right to make decisions based on anything or nothing, I believe in trying to influence companies but, I would not like their rights taken away. I had contacted a drink company about the possibility of changing their formula and I was put through to their scientist. A few emails later, about 3/4 of a year and I helped them change the recipe. I had most time to fuss about stuff back then but, I did demonstrate that a consumer could effect a corporation. Maybe, if we all email google officials daily.
If all of us x100 emailed Google, I suspect it would have little to no effect and may even have the opposite of desired effect. Their net worth is over 1/2 Trillion $, and I doubt they care much for our personal opinions in the bigger scheme of things.
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We need to avoid words like **, ***, ****, *****, ******, ******, ********, or *********
Ya think? Ironically, that has ALWAYS been the rule here. Cliff has specifically spelled that out as 1 of his few posting rules, has directed us not to circumvent the censor software, and it has been routinely been ignored and trampled on by a few self absorbed people almost daily.
Don't try to circumvent the censor system. The forum software automatically censors some 4-letter words (and even some 5- and 6-letter words). Don't try to circumvent it. We all know what you mean with "you svck" (actually, "suck" isn't censored of course, but you get my point).
There is an example of this circumvention on pg1 OT right now--in a thread title, and I have seen even more childish terminology used in thread titles over the last few years.
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So we are no longer allowed to even talk about P in any way shape or form? That sounds like if we do that then we are sanitizing the world to it, not against it. if we don't talk about it, it will be forgotten, like many subject, the confederate flag for example or any statue to confederate generals, if we remove all the threads that even talk about that, how does it make the problem go away. It doesn't. it makes people not even think about or in some cases entire generations no even knowing it happens.
We can speak of anything we wish, as long as one is comfortable with Cliff P not getting ad revenue because of it. Search engines are not very selective in the links they bring up. Looking for lock plates yesterday, I saw musket lock plates as well as door lock plates and even dinner plates. Google simply does not want to be affiliated with certain subjects and words regarding those subjects. I don't particularly like it, but I do understand it.
Google simply does not want to be affiliated with certain subjects and words regarding those subjects. I don't particularly like it, but I do understand it.
Sooooo, confusing. If I'm Google, and you merely SAY something I don't like, I can refuse to do business with you. But if i'm a Bakery, and I refuse to do business for your gay wedding...
Now, I wonder what Googles policy would be after all their clients pulled their accounts based on Googles policy? I bet dollars-to-donuts Google would crawfish faster'n you can say money talks...
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Google isn't the bad guy here. They have standards they require in order for a site to use their ads. Would you do business with someone who is rude, surly and curses at you? If you said you'd take your business elsewhere, is that stepping on their rights?
The bad guys are us. Me, you, anyone who has ever posted something inappropriate. We've all known the rules and I know I've tip toed around them in the past. Perhaps not with any malice, and maybe with a bit of mischief, but I still knew it was against the rules.
Just as this is Cliff's house and we must respect that, Cliff invited Google to the party. If Google doesn't like the company Cliff keeps, they're going to leave. WE are the problem.
(looking in the mirror) *I* am the problem. I'll do what I can to fix that.
See this is the problem.. roll over to the whims of company's that place ad's.. same thing the news is doing, letting those that place ad's make the rules and run the country.. one day maybe people will stand up to this.. we can, we don't need googles ad's we can donate to the cause, and then boycott those that place rules like this and the ones that place ad's with a media like that.. sadly no one had the balls.. so roll over and take it, and they wonder how the Nazi's took over..
See this is the problem.. roll over to the whims of company's that place ad's.. same thing the news is doing, letting those that place ad's make the rules and run the country.. one day maybe people will stand up to this.. we can, we don't need googles ad's we can donate to the cause, and then boycott those that place rules like this and the ones that place ad's with a media like that.. sadly no one had the balls.. so roll over and take it, and they wonder how the Nazi's took over..
You are free to stand up for anything, as you see fit. Build a server, register a domain name and have at it.
Since ads are needed to keep the forum going, aren't there other sponsors besides Google? How about Bing or any of the other search engines that are less picky about what is posted? This forum is large enough that it should attract enough sponsors to keep it going and even make it profitable. Is it a matter of sponsor exclusivity? There has to be a solution to this that doesn't involve censorship. With censorship there is no free flow of ideas or discussions. People can get offended by anything, all one needs to do to see this is look at how college students are reacting to sidewalk chalk writing.
See this is the problem.. roll over to the whims of company's that place ad's..... sadly no one had the balls.. so roll over and take it, and they wonder how the Nazi's took over..
Nobody's saying roll over and take it. If you want to do business with a company you have to attract their business. Cliff can very easily tell Google to take a walk and Google will take their ball and go home.
Don't expect them to keep PAYING Cliff after Cliff gives them the boot, though. You don't pay people you refuse to do business with. They won't either.
If you've ever been a business owner you know you have to attract and retain both clients and customers. Without customers and clients your business will fail. If you want to consider attracting customers the same as "rolling over" then I'd like to know how you manage to make a living without rolling over. Unless you're independently wealthy, you have a job to do and you do it as required or you don't get paid.
lol, Obama being blamed for googles business policy's, this thread is officially complete.
So you don't believe that the federal government pressures private industry? lol
I haven't seen the thread in question, I don't know if it was a scapegoat reason, or a legit concern of Google.
I do not recall anytime on this forum that anyone encouraged the pword.
Google's policy only seems against posting pics of minors or advocating the pword in some form. Speaking out against it or discussing news articles relating to it, do not seem to be a violation.
If I had to guess, I would look at that other forum, as they have repeatedly called certain members the pword.
I can only assume, but I think someone ran to Google with the accusations.
Maybe a non Google ad section that has non politically correct subjects. One that requires login to view and covers politics, religion, and anything nsfw.
Surley there are advitisers other than Google for that section, that are more tolerable to free speech.
So you don't believe that the federal government pressures private industry? lol
I haven't seen the thread in question, I don't know if it was a scapegoat reason, or a legit concern of Google.
I do not recall anytime on this forum that anyone encouraged the pword.
Google's policy only seems against posting pics of minors or advocating the pword in some form. Speaking out against it or discussing news articles relating to it, do not seem to be a violation.
If I had to guess, I would look at that other forum, as they have repeatedly called certain members the pword.
I can only assume, but I think someone ran to Google with the accusations.
Google's policy guidelines go a lot further than that. For instance, no google ad may be placed on a webpage in which a link to nudity is placed.
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Adult links to external sites Google ads may not be placed on pages that provide links for or drive traffic to adult or mature sites.
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Fetishes and sexual aids Google ads may not be placed on pages that promote, sell, or discuss sexual fetishes, aids, devices, or enhancement tools.
A fetish may be an obsession or sexual desire in which gratification is dependent upon specific objects (diapers, food items, etc.), materials (leather, latex, etc), parts of a body (feet, toes, ears, etc.), or situations. Examples of types of fetishes and fetishistic practices may include, but are not limited to:
bestiality, necrophilia, incest, and voyeurism role-playing, bondage, dominance and submission sadomasochism, snuff Google may consider something to be a sexual aid, device, or enhancement tool if it is used for sexual pleasure and/or to improve sexual experiences. This includes, but is not limited to:
sexual toys such as vibrators, dildos, personal lubricants penis and breast enlargement tools and/or medications Note: Certain medications used to treat conditions like erectile dysfunction fall under our prescription drug policy.
Since ads are needed to keep the forum going, aren't there other sponsors besides Google? How about Bing or any of the other search engines that are less picky about what is posted? This forum is large enough that it should attract enough sponsors to keep it going and even make it profitable. Is it a matter of sponsor exclusivity? There has to be a solution to this that doesn't involve censorship. With censorship there is no free flow of ideas or discussions. People can get offended by anything, all one needs to do to see this is look at how college students are reacting to sidewalk chalk writing.
That's what I was thinking. Is Google the only game in town? Where do the 'bad' sites get their adverts?
That's what I was thinking. Is Google the only game in town? Where do the 'bad' sites get their adverts?
Brad
Well, I would assume the ones with less scruples, the adverts and method of delivery would reflect that. Ever been to those pages with the bouncing tata adverts? The pop-ups that say "You must be 18 to play"... The pop-ups you have to end task to get rid of?
I can't recall ever seeing anything offensive being posted other than the vitriol directed at some people. I find this thing to be a very sad commentary on googles effort to take away our first amendment rights, enough to cause me to look for another search engine and I've been a fan of google right from the start. Any other recommended ones?
I find this thing to be a very sad commentary on googles effort to take away our first amendment rights
Google isn't trying to take away anyone's First Amendment rights. They're electing to not do business with a site that they don't approve of. (ignoring the whole "First Amendment" applying to someone hosting their business in the Netherlands).
It's disturbing how many people think refusing to PAY someone for their speech is the same thing as censoring them.
I can't recall ever seeing anything offensive being posted other than the vitriol directed at some people. I find this thing to be a very sad commentary on googles effort to take away our first amendment rights, enough to cause me to look for another search engine and I've been a fan of google right from the start. Any other recommended ones?
Adult links to external sites Google ads may not be placed on pages that provide links for or drive traffic to adult or mature sites.
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Fetishes and sexual aids Google ads may not be placed on pages that promote, sell, or discuss sexual fetishes, aids, devices, or enhancement tools.
A fetish may be an obsession or sexual desire in which gratification is dependent upon specific objects (diapers, food items, etc.), materials (leather, latex, etc), parts of a body (feet, toes, ears, etc.), or situations. Examples of types of fetishes and fetishistic practices may include, but are not limited to:
bestiality, necrophilia, incest, and voyeurism role-playing, bondage, dominance and submission sadomasochism, snuff Google may consider something to be a sexual aid, device, or enhancement tool if it is used for sexual pleasure and/or to improve sexual experiences. This includes, but is not limited to:
sexual toys such as vibrators, dildos, personal lubricants penis and breast enlargement tools and/or medications Note: Certain medications used to treat conditions like erectile dysfunction fall under our prescription drug policy.
That list is ridicules and how do we drive people to other mature sites? We may have adds in the link but for the life of me it was adds on the site that was offensive to the bible thumpers at google. If you are looking at a medical site asking for info about a medical problem and has an advertisement for ++ jelly they could put us on their drop list.
Steve
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Besides that some words in one language's mean different things in others. If some guy in England asks for a ### it is not the same thing asking for a ### in English.
While we both speak English, the same word can mean something different in a different country.
Steve
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By 'drive' I guess they include the term 'direct' in their definition. An alternative way of stating it is: 'links that [direct] users to adult or mature sites".
