Trump makes a claim.... there are ZERO details. Asking to hold him accountable is not deflecting. Obama isn't running. Hillary didn't win. Both are not even related to this topic. If you want to talk about Obama and Hillary, there are plenty of threads for which you can go back to and dig up.
Again, I wonder why you weren't concerned with holding any of the democrats accountable for the past 8 years but now you demand we hold Trump accountable (even before he takes up residency in the white house). Hypocrite much?
I'm not much of a fan of Donald Trump. But when I see him out there trying to make a difference before he's even in office yet, that gets my attention. That's a good thing to see.
I'm sure the lefties will still talk trash about him anyway. Even if he turned out to be the best President in our lifetimes, the lefties would still trash-talk him like he's the antichrist. Because they're a bunch of hateful little children who are still butt-hurt over the election.
Donald Trump may not be "your" president, but he's going to be OUR President. Get the **** over it. And get the **** over yourself. Quit stomping around like angry little preschoolers, and let's get back to business.
I'm not much of a fan of Donald Trump. But when I see him out there trying to make a difference before he's even in office yet, that gets my attention. That's a good thing to see.
We are part of the club that just doesn't get it. We just can't see how his performance as President has already been an epic failure before it begins......
Like I said last I heard the number keeps changing, until we get an "official" number no one will know for sure. They are still losing 1300 jobs to MX though.
Yes it seems so. This morning, according to Trump himself the actual number is 7 million, or $7000 per employee, over 10 years. I heard yesterday that 1500 jobs were planned to go to mexico, and so if 1000-1100 are staying that only leaves 400-500 moving...I dont know where your 1300 number came from. If that was reported to somewhere, makes it obvious people are just playing number games.
Another part of the Trump plan is reducing corp taxes from 35% to 15%.
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You can technically say that they haven't left ....yet. But they were going to go to Mexico.
First it was Ford and now, the infamous Carrier plant in Indiana, well they decided they aren't going to Mexico after all after talking to Trump. 1,000 jobs staying in America.
I even read a story on how Apple is planning to make some of the iPhone's in America.
Crazy:
You do realize all those jobs saved by Trump, there are others who were fighting moving these and other jobs offshore, they are all as you have called them in previous posts in other thread.
Over paid union monkeys.
So the union has been fighting all along to save those jobs long before Trump even thought of running. So maybe just maybe the union membership didn't want to lose jobs here. and the union membership had more to do with the jobs not being moved than Trump did.
You do realize all those jobs saved by Trump, there are others who were fighting moving these and other jobs offshore, they are all as you have called them in previous posts in other thread.
Over paid union monkeys.
So the union has been fighting all along to save those jobs long before Trump even thought of running. So maybe just maybe the union membership didn't want to lose jobs here. and the union membership had more to do with the jobs not being moved than Trump did.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it !
Steve
The Union didn't save anything here. As a matter of fact, I was hearing on CNBC that Unions (which didn't support Trump, but are in fact in the back pocket of the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton) are deathly afraid of what Trump and Pence just did. They bypassed the Unions, negotiated the deal for the people, making the Unions irrelevant for anything, as they are now.
Go find what your Bernie Sanders said about all of this. He disapproved of this, because it made the unions look bad. How else will Bernie live in his million dollar lake house off the backs of Union donations, if the Unions start disappearing as they have been and will continue to do so?
What the Unions are a afraid of that they are even becoming more irrelevant, because it was politicians and corporations coming to the agreement, with no Union representation at the table.
Even the Union President of the Steel Workers Union, who didn't support Trump and told all his members to vote Hillary and donated Union Dues to Hillary campaign had to weap and bow of Thanks to Trump for doing the job that he couldn't or is inept to do.
Go to all of your precious Unions sites and news and they are all scared of Trump. Trump will bypass the Union thuggary leadership and go straight to the people, which is what is suppose to be done.
It isn't about being in the so called "Union" club where work ethics and performance isn't a priority but seniority is. It took a Billionaire Corporate Business Man to make things happen. Unions were loosing the jobs to Mexico.
Keep smoking your herb in your pipe and keep living off the backs of others. Let the productive people who still work for a living and contribute to the tax roles and your welfare/disability checks make the decisions. Stay fat, happy and high. We will take take of the world and work to get rid of the scrounge of the world, such as terrorist, criminals and labor unions.
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So... will TP (Trump/Pence) throw tax dollars at this company, also?
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In Indianapolis today, President-elect Donald Trump will tout his deal to stop nearly a thousand Carrier jobs from moving to Mexico. But at a ball bearing plant just a mile away, hundreds of Hoosiers may soon lose their jobs.
In October, the Rexnord Corp. announced it "tentatively decided" to move its Indianapolis operation to another one of its facilities, in Mexico.
Closing the plant would cost 350 workers their jobs, the union representing employees there told ABC News. The move is anticipated to happen sometime in the spring next year.
Rexnord has not responded to ABC News' requests for comment.
The president of the Indiana AFL-CIO, Brett Voorhies, started his career at Rexnord and has friends and family members who work at the plant. He told ABC News that people are happy for their friends at Carrier but wish Trump could help them too.
"It's really sad," Voorhies said. "They're looking out the window and seeing what's going on at Carrier, and they're happy for their brothers and sisters, but they're thinking, 'Why can't you do this for us as well? Are you able to save my life too, Mr. President?'"
Again, I wonder why you weren't concerned with holding any of the democrats accountable for the past 8 years but now you demand we hold Trump accountable (even before he takes up residency in the white house). Hypocrite much?
Deflecting still. sad... you have nothing other than "look at Obama and Hillary".... seriously... that is weak.
I keep hearing lots of Hillary supporters like Jaski saying that this is a bad deal for the country, but by my simple math I can't help but see it as a huge win. 7 million of tax incentives spread out over 10 years, saving the jobs of 1,000 workers. This comes to a mere $700 a worker, who are now gainfully employed for the next 10 years and will be paying far more back into the federal coffers through income tax, and supporting the economy through their pay check. Had they been forced onto federal assistance, the cost to the tax payer would have been a whole lot higher than a mere $700 per worker. I know guys in Jaski would love to see American's unemployed and dependent on government handouts, because it would mean they would be voting for his party - the guys who have created the current government run system of enslavement. But for other who wish to have the dignity of having a job, this is a huge win. Good jump Trump.
I keep hearing lots of Hillary supporters like Jaski saying that this is a bad deal for the country, but by my simple math I can't help but see it as a huge win. 7 million of tax incentives spread out over 10 years, saving the jobs of 1,000 workers. This comes to a mere $700 a worker, who are now gainfully employed for the next 10 years and will be paying far more back into the federal coffers through income tax, and supporting the economy through their pay check. Had they been forced onto federal assistance, the cost to the tax payer would have been a whole lot higher than a mere $700 per worker. I know guys in Jaski would love to see American's unemployed and dependent on government handouts, because it would mean they would be voting for his party - the guys who have created the current government run system of enslavement. But for other who wish to have the dignity of having a job, this is a huge win. Good jump Trump.
Federal and State assistance for corporations... Trump just set the way of doing business in America. Next, carrier will say they need more money or they will move operations. Wall Street is back baby... with government hand outs!
So, did you support the bailout of the auto industry?
The Union didn't save anything here. As a matter of fact, I was hearing on CNBC that Unions (which didn't support Trump, but are in fact in the back pocket of the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton) are deathly afraid of what Trump and Pence just did. They bypassed the Unions, negotiated the deal for the people, making the Unions irrelevant for anything, as they are now.
I am not a trump or Hillary supporter, I did not cast a vote for any of the candidates who were running for president. So Hillary nor trump got my vote, or any of the other idiots who were running.
Don't read something into what I wrote that ain't there. None of the people running were worth voting for as president. Now the other local candidates I did vote for, just not a presidential candidate.
Originally posted by 84fiero123: So the union has been fighting all along to save those jobs long before Trump even thought of running. So maybe just maybe the union membership didn't want to lose jobs here. and the union membership had more to do with the jobs not being moved than Trump did.
Then why do Unions fund Dumbocrats, and fund Dumbocratic candidates ? Clinton did NAFTA. The Dumbs tax and regulate businesses out of the country, and then the Dumbs, with union backing, want to raise the minimum wage. Making jobs go offshore/to another country (Mexico).
How on earth Steve could you think unions are fighting to keep jobs here, . The unions favor Dumbocrats because unions flourish themselves when the Dumbs are in power. The unions, like the Dumbs, need people to need them.
Then why do Unions fund Dumbocrats, and fund Dumbocratic candidates ? Clinton did NAFTA. The Dumbs tax and regulate businesses out of the country, and then the Dumbs, with union backing, want to raise the minimum wage. Making jobs go offshore/to another country (Mexico).
How on earth Steve could you think unions are fighting to keep jobs here, . The unions favor Dumbocrats because unions flourish themselves when the Dumbs are in power. The unions, like the Dumbs, need people to need them.
I hate to brake the bad news to you and many others, but the unions give money to both sides of the election, hoping no matter who gets in they have some pull because of those moneys.
Then why do Unions fund Dumbocrats, and fund Dumbocratic candidates ? Clinton did NAFTA. The Dumbs tax and regulate businesses out of the country, and then the Dumbs, with union backing, want to raise the minimum wage. Making jobs go offshore/to another country (Mexico).
How on earth Steve could you think unions are fighting to keep jobs here, . The unions favor Dumbocrats because unions flourish themselves when the Dumbs are in power. The unions, like the Dumbs, need people to need them.
The largest unions and the only one that has growing memberships are government employee unions.
Where is the the evil bad exploitative slave driving corporate boss in government?
Let's not forget professional sports players unions and movie actor guild unions.
I guess they are good at getting a thug, bad hygiene, full tat on crazy spoiled revolutionary like Colin Kaepernick millions of dollars to hardly play football and has long past his peak in performance to keep having a job on the sidelines. I guess unions are good at that.
What I see is proof that cutting taxes on big business is good for everyone. Carrier stays and now there are over 1000 American families who can continue to pay income tax and sales tax, and will not need public assistance. It is a win/win all around.
Tax incentives are nothing new. This time it benefits the common man.
Originally posted by jaskispyder: Deflecting still. sad... you have nothing other than "look at Obama and Hillary".... seriously... that is weak.
LOL. Obuma and Hillary spent 8 years railing on Bush. Obuma is the current president and responsible for the last 8 years of blunders. Hillary as Secretary of State, also did her own share of blunders. Neither did any good for Americans in general. Trump isnt even president yet, but the Hillary/Obuma lovers have to jump on anything that isnt doing THEM any good. Thats hippocracy at its best. Just shut up and sit back and enjoy what a good economy will do for you starting in a few months.
Federal and State assistance for corporations... Trump just set the way of doing business in America. Next, carrier will say they need more money or they will move operations. Wall Street is back baby... with government hand outs!
So, did you support the bailout of the auto industry?
No I didn't support the auto bailout. What Obama did was essentially nationalize GM and Chrysler, taking control and putting in place their own CEO picks and as new owner of the manufacturer setting his own agenda for the two companies. These two companies were driven to the verge of bankruptcy by a series of bad decisions. This is a far cry from easing the strangling taxes on a successful company to help keep them in the States. Hopefully when he is president, he can extend these cuts to all companies to both help keep them in the country and ensure their profitability (I know, an evil word to you socialists).
Bailout saved a ton of jobs and kept people (including retirees) off of government assistance... JUST like what you said Trump did (on a MUCH smaller scale).... Hmmm...
What other promises did Carrier and Trump give to each other? No transparency, so, we won't know.
Are you saying Carrier didn't make bad decisions, which put them into this position? Seems they did... stay and lose money, or move to Mexico for higher profits.
BTW....
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The federal bailout of General Motors Co, Chrysler and parts suppliers in 2009 saved 1.5 million U.S. jobs and preserved $105.3 billion in personal and social insurance tax collections...
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Originally posted by loafer87gt:
No I didn't support the auto bailout. What Obama did was essentially nationalize GM and Chrysler, taking control and putting in place their own CEO picks and as new owner of the manufacturer setting his own agenda for the two companies. These two companies were driven to the verge of bankruptcy by a series of bad decisions. This is a far cry from easing the strangling taxes on a successful company to help keep them in the States. Hopefully when he is president, he can extend these cuts to all companies to both help keep them in the country and ensure their profitability (I know, an evil word to you socialists).
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LOL... yeah... blunders Seems like the economy is doing pretty well considering the Bush recession. So well, that people are buying $100K+ Teslas.
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Originally posted by rogergarrison:
LOL. Obuma and Hillary spent 8 years railing on Bush. Obuma is the current president and responsible for the last 8 years of blunders. Hillary as Secretary of State, also did her own share of blunders. Neither did any good for Americans in general. Trump isnt even president yet, but the Hillary/Obuma lovers have to jump on anything that isnt doing THEM any good. Thats hippocracy at its best. Just shut up and sit back and enjoy what a good economy will do for you starting in a few months.
LOL... yeah... blunders Seems like the economy is doing pretty well considering the Bush recession. So well, that people are buying $100K+ Teslas.
The Clinton Housing Bill recession that was blamed on Bush 2? The recession that was enabled by the Dems blocking Bush (several times) from investigating Fanny and Freddy?
You are a record stuck in one groove. Move on.
How much is the subsidy on Teslas again?
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The Clinton Housing Bill recession that was blamed on Bush 2? The recession that was enabled by the Dems blocking Bush (several times) from investigating Fanny and Freddy?
You are a record stuck in one groove. Move on.
Bush was president.... he take the blame, just like Roger blaming Obama. Trump takes the credit for taxpayer donations to Carrier... hmmm... will he take the blame for the other companies that go to Mexico?
But I know how this forum works... everyone circle up and begin...
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Facts are facts. Intelligent and attentive minds look at the underlying events and the historical record to form their conclusions. Placing blame has little merit. Understanding events to learn how mistakes are made enables good decisions to be made in response to current challenges.
Facts are facts. Intelligent and attentive minds look at the underlying events and the historical record to form their conclusions. Placing blame has little merit. Understanding events to learn how mistakes are made enables good decisions to be made in response to current challenges.
Since you are taking this off-topic....
Bush...
Iraq (unfunded war, which we are still dealing with) Tax cuts Higher spending Inability to pass regulation No energy policy
Now Bush wasn't the sole problem, but he did little to acknowledge, prepare or fix the issues (underlying events).
So. before becoming President, he has already at the very least worked toward saving American jobs. A good start at filling in a very deep hole. I hope that he can keep up this momentum.
Where has Hillary been?
What good has she done since forced retirement?
Who is she helping?
Are jobs saved due to her?
Is she just taking time off from being a leader?
The talk about how Trump has done nothing for the company across the street can continue. I believe that he is working toward a goal. No goal that is worthy is met within a few days. Our society is so instant now that we cannot see past the minute. There is no long term. No future goals. Why, when everything we receive is instant?
There is a structure in our society that feels that sitting and playing video games/texts/app/data is more important than reality. Never leaving home. Just wearing out chairs and keyboards. They will be easy to pick off due to lack of natural abilities and understanding. There will not be much meat on these creatures of the basement, but the fatty oils will make great torches to plunder the land by night.
Facts are facts. Intelligent and attentive minds look at the underlying events and the historical record to form their conclusions. Placing blame has little merit. Understanding events to learn how mistakes are made enables good decisions to be made in response to current challenges.
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Originally posted by jaskispyder:
Since you are taking this off-topic....
Not really off topic IMO, for just about any conversation
Originally posted by jaskispyder: Bailout saved a ton of jobs and kept people (including retirees) off of government assistance... JUST like what you said Trump did (on a MUCH smaller scale).... Hmmm...
What other promises did Carrier and Trump give to each other? No transparency, so, we won't know.
The ends don't always justify the means. Plus, sometimes "the ends" are somewhat temporary.
Transparency, yes that would be a good thing I agree.
Originally posted by 84fiero123: I hate to brake the bad news to you and many others, but the unions give money to both sides of the election, hoping no matter who gets in they have some pull because of those moneys.
Dig deeper Steve. Funding is documented. What kind of pull would you have with me if you donated to my enemy, at a greater margin ?
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Originally posted by Wichita: The largest unions and the only one that has growing memberships are government employee unions.
Yep, union lockstep monkeys.
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Originally posted by Wichita: Where is the the evil bad exploitative slave driving corporate boss in government?
If anything, government has put in multiple protections against evil bad exploitative slave driving corporate bosses. Child labor, OSHA standards, and many more.
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Originally posted by williegoat: What I see is proof that cutting taxes on big business is good for everyone. Carrier stays and now there are over 1000 American families who can continue to pay income tax and sales tax, and will not need public assistance. It is a win/win all around.
Tax incentives are nothing new. This time it benefits the common man.
Why confuse them with common sense ? You know they don't have any. They champion the auto bailout. They champion the bank bail out. They think they have a wedge.
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Originally posted by loafer87gt: No I didn't support the auto bailout. What Obama did was essentially nationalize GM and Chrysler, taking control and putting in place their own CEO picks and as new owner of the manufacturer setting his own agenda for the two companies.
Let me fix that for 'ya. Pricks
You left out the part where the Nobama regime stiffed the investors, wiped out their owned return of interest.
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: No transparency, so, we won't know.
We will never know, unless, we can find out whose basement they are keeping their private server in.
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: Are you saying Carrier didn't make bad decisions, which put them into this position? Seems they did... stay and lose money, or move to Mexico for higher profits.
Stay and lose money ? Did 'ga mean stay and be taxed out of money ? Stay and be regulated out of money ? Stay and be made uncompetitive by gooobermant mandated wage controls ? Where is your free market spirit ?
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: Seems like the economy is doing pretty well considering the Bush recession. So well, that people are buying $100K+ Teslas.
Don't blame it on Bush. Blame it on me. I bought a home that I could pay for in 2004. The recession started when ? When the Dumbocratic "anyone should be able to buy a house on credit" laws floated. That was 1998. For those weasels to get the law passed, they had to agree that risky loans could be bundled, with good ones. To lesson the risk pool. The weasels allowed Wall Street to gamble on the risk. What person in their right mind, besides you, would make a risky loan ?
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Originally posted by olejoedad: Facts are facts. Intelligent and attentive minds look at the underlying events and the historical record to form their conclusions. Placing blame has little merit.
But, but, I am a racist, a homophobe, a sexist, and a whole bunch of 'ism's. I am to blame, .
Iraq (unfunded war, which we are still dealing with) Tax cuts Higher spending Inability to pass regulation No energy policy
Now Bush wasn't the sole problem, but he did little to acknowledge, prepare or fix the issues (underlying events).
An you are opposed to the only candidate that could stop the Democratic party from doubling down on Obama's performance which was, as well, a double down of Bush policies on
Foreign entanglements Higher spending Inability to pass regulation (executive orders don't count) No energy policy (anti energy is worse than no energy) Nationalizing (unfunded healthcare)
EOs count. No boots on ground. Energy policy exists - "The Energy Policy of the Obama administration, stated on U.S. President Barack Obama's website, lists the guiding principles of the administration regarding energy and the environment. They include creating new "clean energy" jobs and technologies, making America more energy independent, and reducing carbon emissions." ACA - "Not all states adopted the Medicaid expansions of the ACA as was originally intended in the law. ... A study examined the economic effects of the Affordable Care Act. Researchers found states that opted to expand Medicaid through Obamacare had residents with fewer unpaid bills and less debt overall." Regulations? Obama passed a ton of them... it even made BreitBart.com...
Just because you don't agree with them, doesn't mean they didn't happen.
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An you are opposed to the only candidate that could stop the Democratic party from doubling down on Obama's performance which was, as well, a double down of Bush policies on
Foreign entanglements Higher spending Inability to pass regulation (executive orders don't count) No energy policy (anti energy is worse than no energy) Nationalizing (unfunded healthcare)
ACA - "Not all states adopted the Medicaid expansions of the ACA as was originally intended in the law. ... A study examined the economic effects of the Affordable Care Act. Researchers found states that opted to expand Medicaid through Obamacare had residents with fewer unpaid bills and less debt overall."
It must have took a lot of spin and disregard for other numbers to come to that stat.
It must have took a lot of spin and disregard for other numbers to come to that stat.
Just like how spending taxpayer money to "save" 1000 jobs is now, magically, ok to the anti-Obama crowd...
When Obama saves millions of jobs, he is a socialist... Trump (Pence).... saves 1000 jobs he is hailed as someone who does what couldn't be done. Hmmm... yeah..
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While good news came Thursday for hundreds of workers at Carrier's Indianapolis plant, nearly 600 workers will still be losing their jobs as Carrier ships them off to Mexico by the end of 2017.
In a letter distributed to employees on Thursday, the company said that they will still be moving forward with their plans to relocate the fan coil manufacturing lines to their Monterrey, Mexico facility.
"We are moving forward with our previously announced plans to relocate the fan coil manufacturing lines, with expected completion by the end of 2017."
The United Steel Workers Union Local 1999 told RTV6 the company said 600 jobs would be relocating across the border.
Negotiations between the company and the union will begin soon, but no date has been set.
there are others who were fighting moving these and other jobs offshore, they are all as you have called them in previous posts in other thread. 
. The unions favor Dumbocrats because unions flourish themselves when the Dumbs are in power. The unions, like the Dumbs, need people to need them.
I hope that he can keep up this momentum. 
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