Originally posted by cliffw: All you do is tell us we don't know you.
We do.
You know nothing. You never will when you keep attacking everyone in every single post you make.
And if you needed me to tell you that Trump is a pathological liar with absolutely no interest in serving the people, then you really are as dumb as you portend to be. His lies are obvious, but you continue to be suckered by them and your preferred media outlet's failure to call him out for them.
You know nothing. You never will when you keep attacking everyone in every single post you make.
And if you needed me to tell you that Trump is a pathological liar with absolutely no interest in serving the people, then you really are as dumb as you portend to be. His lies are obvious, but you continue to be suckered by them and your preferred media outlet's failure to call him out for them.
And we are supposed to believe you are unbiased and have no preferred media outlet......
So Trump is a pathological liar , okay And Media is biased, okay
Don't leave us dangling O'great one, tells who we should be listening to and which candidate should we have voted for?
Please O'great oracle of truth and credibility guide us humble buffoons with your superior knowledge and wisdom..... We await your blessings upon us......
I am not happy to say this, but damn will I be thinking about you two as America improves all around us.
Perhaps you two were to busy last evening, but our President elect made even greater strides in employing Americans. I do not enjoy everyhting he is going to do. A bit of pain for the reward? But, like I did with President Obama, I will give him that chance.
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I think it must be some sort of a prerequisite to be a liar before entering any kind of political race or campaign..tho there may be a short grace period between the time of entry and the point of the first lie--a very short grace period.
It pretty much boils down to which candidate's lies one chooses to accept as truth or be willing to forgive or ignore. I think Henry IV of France may have been the last honest one, tho he too still had some faults.
Herbert Hoover's 1928 "Chicken in every pot" campaign promise was stolen from King Henry. Henry came closer to keeping his than Hoover did.
(If God keeps me, I will make sure that no peasant in my realm will lack the means to have a chicken in the pot on Sunday!)
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It sounds like the company I work for is planning to bring back all of the manufacturing that was sent to china several years ago. Which can easily be done only because the machines and equipment is still here just sitting with it's only apparent purpose is the protect the ground bellow it from being attack by dust bunnies....
I've also heard that they made the discussion before Trump got elected. May have been in the works since last year. LoL....
Well it's a rumor for know, but good news if it comes to pass......Even greater news if it includes more plants than just mine since the parent company has a huge umbrella of companies that make things used everyday in most households in America and many around the world.
fingers crossed, prayers sent and hope deployed. that many other companies are planning similar moves....
Seems Mr. Trump will mostly just be busy lying his ass off. But then again, that is what pathological liars do, and he certainly is one of them.
We know Obama and Clinton both are pathological liars, but I don't recall you mentioning it. I must have missed it, but hey it happens. I'm curious. In your mind, is being a pathological liar a negative trait in a president.
" His lies are obvious, but you continue to be suckered by them and your preferred media outlet's failure to call him out for them. "
From what ive seen in the last year, nearly every media outlet has done nothing BUT call out Trump on anything they can find. On the other hand, all the media outlets try hard NOT to mention any more of Hillary's lies than they absolutely have too. Their philosophy is Hillary good, Trump bad.
What 1.5 million jobs did Obuma save ? I dont know anyone who had their job saved, most lost theirs. If your trying to say the auto bailouts saved their jobs...your wrong. They could have bankrupted, then reopened the next day under new ownership...with all the same people who already were working there. They might have lost a days pay.
If you think greedy corporations want to operate outside of the United States, You are not think about the benefits of producing here, if only they could afford to.
This guy is no alone and Trump knows the right environment will give people like CEO Mario Longhi the right incentive to do it here, with American workers.
What 1.5 million jobs did Obuma save ? I dont know anyone who had their job saved, most lost theirs. If your trying to say the auto bailouts saved their jobs...your wrong. They could have bankrupted, then reopened the next day under new ownership...with all the same people who already were working there. They might have lost a days pay.
Auto bailout saved jobs, retiree retirements and the many, many suppliers to the industry, and related businesses. You know guys at the GM dealership (so you have said...maybe you don't)... their jobs were saved. The vendors who supply the dealership with products... jobs saved... the restaurants that fed those people... jobs saved. I would go on, but I know you stop listening already.
As for bankruptcy... ask Trump.... he is the expert there... he has the most experience saving his own a**, while other people pay for it or lose their jobs. To think that bankruptcy doesn't equal loss of jobs and closure of businesses, well, that is wrong.
Despite his political foes using Trump’s history of bankruptcies as a starting point to question both his business acumen and his abilities as a leader, the reality is that SUCCESSFUL businessmen sometimes use bankruptcy as a tool to protect their business during financial downturns.
The truth is that Trump’s businesses survived and emerged from bankruptcy stronger and more financially secure than ever.
Why the attack Ray? Just because someone lies, doesn't mean I don't listen.
Trump successful? Yes, he is successful in real estate...(well, we don't know for sure, as he won't let us see that). But let's agree he has money and made it making business deals.
He is a brand... like Kardashians. He does little to create jobs, on his own... he makes deals to put his name on things and when they don't work out, he blames someone else.
If he cared about the US worker and US jobs, HE would have hired US workers for his businesses and products. He plays his audience well as they fail to see the true Trump.
He didn't save 1000 jobs.. he may have "saved" 700 jobs... but they will be replaced by automation (and supported by tax dollars). So... did he really do anything other than proclaim he is the second coming and to not doubt him?
Despite his political foes using Trump’s history of bankruptcies as a starting point to question both his business acumen and his abilities as a leader, the reality is that SUCCESSFUL businessmen sometimes use bankruptcy as a tool to protect their business during financial downturns.
The truth is that Trump’s businesses survived and emerged from bankruptcy stronger and more financially secure than ever.
Jobs WERE saved.
But doesn't further the meme.
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Originally posted by RayOtton: Despite his political foes using Trump’s history of bankruptcies as a starting point to question both his business acumen and his abilities as a leader, the reality is that SUCCESSFUL businessmen sometimes use bankruptcy as a tool to protect their business ...
Not just his bankruptcies, his tax acumen. The same ones Shillary used.
Auto bailout saved jobs, retiree retirements and the many, many suppliers to the industry, and related businesses. You know guys at the GM dealership (so you have said...maybe you don't)... their jobs were saved. The vendors who supply the dealership with products... jobs saved... the restaurants that fed those people... jobs saved. I would go on, but I know you stop listening already.
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Didn't realize you were a fan of the auto bailout.
Rolling Stone. The definitive source for accurate and unbiased financial reporting.
You can have your opinion of Rolling stone but are you saying that.
Trump Airlines still is in service?? Are you Drinking much Trump Fire, Trump Power, or Trump Pale Ale?? Trump the Game, are you playing it a lot?? maybe but not many have a copy. Going to many Trump Casinos as of late? Is you r mortgage with Trump Mortgage?? Dining on Trump Steaks? Booking your vacations on GOTrump.com?? Using Trumpnet for your business Communications?? Living in Trump Tower Tampa?? Got your degree from Trump U?? Drinking lots of Trump Vodka?? Getting ready for a night out with your Trump cologne and Trump menswear? Then going to sleep on your Trump mattress??
Feel free to show us how RollingStone missed the boat and these.
You forgot Trump spray tan in a can. You too can have that orange glow! (j/k)
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Originally posted by newf:
You can have your opinion of Rolling stone but are you saying that.
Trump Airlines still is in service?? Are you Drinking much Trump Fire, Trump Power, or Trump Pale Ale?? Trump the Game, are you playing it a lot?? maybe but not many have a copy. Going to many Trump Casinos as of late? Is you r mortgage with Trump Mortgage?? Dining on Trump Steaks? Booking your vacations on GOTrump.com?? Using Trumpnet for your business Communications?? Living in Trump Tower Tampa?? Got your degree from Trump U?? Drinking lots of Trump Vodka?? Getting ready for a night out with your Trump cologne and Trump menswear? Then going to sleep on your Trump mattress??
Feel free to show us how RollingStone missed the boat and these.
Did Carrier receive government funds that we do not know about? One is a bail out. The other not so much.
Again, happy that jobs are being saved.
tax payers are on the hook either way. Roads, police, fire, water, regulation enforcement, etc... are all expenses that the tax payer will have to take over when there are "tax incentives". Someone has to pay and in this case, Carrier got a coupon from Trump. Hey, yeah.. jobs are saved... only 700 and they will be replaced by automation (Carrier said this is the plan).... so... yay us! At least it isn't Michigan tax payers this time.
Last week, President-elect Donald Trump saved 800 jobs at a Carrier furnace plant in Indianapolis.
But seven other companies across the state still plan to layoff workers in the coming months amid production shifts to foreign countries such as Mexico and China, an IndyStar review has found.
Along with the 1,300 jobs Carrier’s parent company, United Technologies, still plans eliminate in Indianapolis and Huntington, the Hoosier state is looking at losing a total of at least 2,100 jobs to foreign countries in the near future — close to triple the number Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence took credit for preserving last week at Carrier's west side plant.
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“Dealing with individual companies isn’t going to work. There’s just too many companies,” said Michael Mobley, a shipping department employee at Matthews-Aurora Funeral Solutions, where job cuts are happening as the company consolidates production of some caskets at a factory in Monterrey, Mexico.
.... Trump’s approach so far — targeting individual companies — is “wildly impractical,” said Anson Soderbery, an economics professor at Purdue University. “Not only is it impractical, it’s potentially dangerous,” he said, because it requires picking winners and losers.
Feel free to find your own sources. I hear Trump's Tweets are all the rage.
I enjoy the music industry news and stories in RS, and the political and financial articles for their comedic value. Their recent article on the AR-15 was 'classic', and their political analysis before and after the election 'spot-on'. Cliff, can we have a sarcasm emoji? Please?
Originally posted by Tony Kania: I read article. It looks like jobs were still saved? Am I wrong? Even written as those jobs were toast, but are now viable.
Yup... a few were given "stays". Will Trump walk around to every company and promise tax incentives and government contracts to each one? This is not the way to fix things and this gives a false sense that Trump can fix things immediately. He has to make policy changes for real change. He is all about the camera and the attention as seen by his tweet war with the Union leader. Hey. Those workers are lucky, then can spend the next year looking for another job, before the automation replaces them.
But Brynjolfsson says focusing on trade deals rather than the implementation of robotics in factories is a disservice to Rust Belt voters. “It would be misleading to give people the impression that something like tariffs on China or Mexico, or trade barriers would bring any significant number of those jobs back,” he says. “The trends are much more fundamental, and they’re worldwide.” Promises to bring steel back to Pennsylvania or cars to Michigan are romantic but disregard the fact that current factories employ a fraction of employees of their 1970s counterparts, he says. ...
“A steel mill like we have here in Vallourec, 20 years ago, it would have to be run by five or six thousand people—now it’s 800 people when we had it at full capacity because of automation,” he says. “What we need to do is train our workforce to change with these developments—learn to work on robots, learn to work on how to program them, how to fix them, how to compete in the 21st century.” ...
The promises of infrastructure spending and trade reform Trump has floated align much closer with union leadership than mainstream conservative thinkers, says Jennifer Burns, a historian at Stanford who studies American conservatism. “It may just be that because he was a Republican, he was able to do things that would have been called socialist had a Democrat tried,” she says.
Carrier getting some discounts in taxes for ten years isnt even vaguely the same as handing GM a check for billions of dollars. Like I already said a bailout and an incentive are entirely different things. Carrier got a 7 million dollar tax reduction to last 10 years. GM got 49.5 billion dollars they get to keep forever. So which was the best deal for the US treasury ? None of GMs money went to keep any employees...it was to pay off bad debts they incurred. AGAIN...from a bankruptcy, a new owner would have kept all the same employees that were already there..bailout didnt help at all for all those that were let go anyway. There would have been few if any people sent packing, except executives, either from GM directly or any related businesses down the line. Chrysler got 12 billion, and they paid back 11.5 of it back 6 years ahead of time...so they just got a loan. Ford took nothing. GM who got the most gave the littlest return. You can keep thinking what you want as long as you want.
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Carrier getting some discounts in taxes for ten years isnt even vaguely the same as handing GM a check for billions of dollars. Like I already said a bailout and an incentive are entirely different things. Carrier got a 7 million dollar tax reduction to last 10 years. GM got 49.5 billion dollars they get to keep forever. So which was the best deal for the US treasury ? None of GMs money went to keep any employees...it was to pay off bad debts they incurred. AGAIN...from a bankruptcy, a new owner would have kept all the same employees that were already there..bailout didnt help at all for all those that were let go anyway. There would have been few if any people sent packing, except executives, either from GM directly or any related businesses down the line. Chrysler got 12 billion, and they paid back 11.5 of it back 6 years ahead of time...so they just got a loan. Ford took nothing. GM who got the most gave the littlest return. You can keep thinking what you want as long as you want.
Maybe in your world $7 Million is a "little discount".... LOL. Also, no it isn't the same. The bailout saved 1.5M jobs and that doesn't include the retirees who would have lost everything. $10000/job at Carrier. $6133/job for auto bailout (not including retirees). Lets face it, the ripple effect of 1.5M jobs lost is MUCH bigger than 700.
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What U.S. taxpayers avoided, according to CAR, was the loss of about $105.3 billion in transfer payments plus the loss of personal and social insurance tax collections to the tune of 768% of the net investment of $11.8 billion in GM and $1.9 billion (none recovered) in Chrysler. Including jobs related to the auto industry, the federal bailout preserved 2.6 million jobs in the U.S. economy in 2009 alone and $284.4 billion in personal income in 2009 and 2010. As we have already noted, the CAR report suggests that many jobs would have been recovered eventually, but the gains would have been made mostly in the southeastern United States, where foreign carmakers like Toyota Motor Corp. (NYSE: TM) have been building manufacturing capacity. The CAR report notes that the results of such a migration would have had severe consequences in the long term and that unemployment rates in the upper Midwestern states would likely still be in double digits. http://www.usatoday.com/sto...-jobs-saved/3928767/
Not sure where you got your numbers... but they don't match what the US Treasury says.
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Taxpayers lost $9.26 billion on the U.S. government's automotive industry rescue program, according to a final tally released by U.S. Treasury this week. The government said it recovered $70.42 billion of the $79.68 billion it gave to General Motors, Chrysler, Ally Financial, Chrysler Financial and automotive suppliers through the federal Auto Industry Financing Program. The program was part of the larger Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. The government lost money, but far less than initially expected when the program was launched in 2009. What's more, the program prevented GM and Chrysler from going out of business — an event most economists and automotive analysts said would have caused the entire industry to collapse and thrown the Midwest into a deep depression." - [URL=http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/12/30/auto-bailout-tarp-gm-chrysler/21061251/
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Palisades is one of the largest employers and taxpayers in Van Buren County. In 2016, it paid $9.9 million in property taxes to the county, accounting for 7 percent of its tax base. With more than 600 full-time workers, Palisades is the county's third largest employer, behind only Bronson Healthcare and MPI Research, according to Van Buren County Administrator Doug Cultra.
Here is an opportunity for Trump to save 600 jobs...
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Not much information in the story. Just an author's own writings. A lot of it. Why not interview the company holding? There just is a lot of unknowns here.
Not much information in the story. Just an author's own writings. A lot of it. Why not interview the company holding? There just is a lot of unknowns here.
I have to agree though, another opportunity.
Did you follow links within the article?
I doubt many will hold their breath waiting for Trump. Anyone want to buy a used nuclear reactor site?
We know nothing about just exactly what trump said or promised to do for those companies, he could very well have promised the company president a quick million dollar bribe to get him to agree with him. We know nothing about this idiot in charge who is now about to take over as ruler of the free world. Except he is a business man, who likes to do things his way, no matter what.
We await your blessings upon us......
