Legal gun owner, informed the officer that he had a weapon, officer never saw the weapon, yet the man was shot to death in front of his child. His crime? Being a black man in the United States.
He wasn't rude. He complied with the officer. He did everything he was supposed to do, yet he still died. This is why BLM exists, this is why it is necesssaey. You ever wonder why black guys always run from the police? Or always try to fight back? Its because of this. It doesn't matter if a black man is nice to police, there's a good chance they get shot anyway, and the cop walks free.
Also, typical denial response. When presented with overwhelming evidence, try to deflect. You can't come up with any good response to the topic at hand, so you try and change the subject.
Are the black man and black woman on the jury racist too? Why wasn't this a hung jury if the evidence was so clear cut? The jury also had the option to convict on lesser charges, yet they acquitted on all charges.
Based on the facts that I have seen, it does appear to be an unjustified death, BUT... I don't have the evidence that was shown to the jury. Something tells me they had more to weigh than what we have in the media.
Apparently you assumed I was trying to address your suppositions. I was not. I am pointing out that your post comes across as a screaming left wing bleeding heart liberal loony. You assumed much in your post without any evidence.
Are the black man and black woman on the jury racist too? Why wasn't this a hung jury if the evidence was so clear cut? The jury also had the option to convict on lesser charges, yet they acquitted on all charges.
Based on the facts that I have seen, it does appear to be an unjustified death, BUT... I don't have the evidence that was shown to the jury. Something tells me they had more to weigh than what we have in the media.
I was thinking the same exact thing. If this was a murder, he would have been found guilty of at least manslaughter. Looks like another case of bias media reports. Another Officer found guilty of being a COP in America.
There had to be more evidence that the jury seen, I would have hung that cop with what was seen on the internet. I am glad to not be black, I am sure it is what has kept me alive, I have had plenty of contact with cops.
Driving under the influence with his own child in the car? Yup, I would stereotype too. A shame that any situation ever escalates to violence, I am a firm believer that communication is the best way to ensure an amicable solution. I don't condone the violence here, but I don't trust people under the influence, either. Much less anyone who would endanger a child.
No matter what color you are, we all wish we could trust any and every officer of the law to handle every situation with sheer perfection. Fact remains, we're all only human. We all make mistakes. The media apparently wants us to assume the jury made such mistakes here, as well.
As a white guy, I try to respect those who serve and protect us, but even I have been poorly judged and have been presumed guilty even when I hadn't done anything wrong. It's a horrible feeling, but I have learned to stand up and remain honest no matter what. It has fortunately paid off for me and I maintain my clean record, and it is a clear answer to me when confronted with police.
If an officer pulls his weapon on you, you should simply comply with each and every request. It's not so much to ask, even if the media would have you think otherwise.
Are the black man and black woman on the jury racist too? Why wasn't this a hung jury if the evidence was so clear cut? The jury also had the option to convict on lesser charges, yet they acquitted on all charges.
Based on the facts that I have seen, it does appear to be an unjustified death, BUT... I don't have the evidence that was shown to the jury. Something tells me they had more to weigh than what we have in the media.
Facts don't matter.. to 3 dog.. all that matters is the race hate outrage, real or not.. If the same thing happened and the cop was black, 3 dog would not post a thing about it, as it not even be on his radar.. He is an al Sharpton wanna be..
Yeah, you are the mental minority here. I am not attacking you, following you from thread to thread, or even negating facts. You are several steps away from making the headlines.
YOUR rhetoric is exactly the hate that is used as a tool for actual CRIMES.
I will continue to ask you this... How many people have been murdered in Chicago alone this year? Who are the ones committing the murders?
Biker's Lives Matter.............. Yeah, I'm a biker and I can honestly admit that among my biker brothers and sisters there exists a stigma about us. We're an independent bunch of freedom loving smart assed wanna be tough guys. We get pulled over frequently and some say harassed. But, I have to admit that we have been our own worst enemy. We (generally speaking) show little respect for others (especially LEOs) not riding and will openly admit we don't like cagers and cops. Many of us ride like we own the road and don't believe you belong on it while we're riding. We often do some pretty stupid things. It will take a culture change within my own group to change the perspective of LEOs who stop us. We need to start acting like respectable, civil people who respect other's rights also.
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Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
This is not a case of a mother's grief, this is a case of insane hate unleashed. She clearly had a hate of Police even before her sons incident. As evidenced by her careful choice of words. "DO WHAT YOU DO". And thus avoiding legal issues such as "inciting". Yes I accually said "careful choice of words". She was following legal council on how to avoid criminal charges. It does take a certain amount of clarity of mind to avoid the legal linguistic potholes. Yes I believe that she is genuinely hurt for the loss of her son, but the lack of even a single tear says how hart broken she is. She had only one emotion, an angry hateful scowl wich was backed by equally hateful words of revenge. Just because a person demands revenge does not provide evidence of love for someone. But I also believe that she already had a disdain for authority, and has given a green light for rioting.
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Trigger happy cop should have gone to prison. I was in fear for my life he said and walked free.
Otoh, I've put the car keys on the top of a car before and left my hands outside the window with the dome light on. Someone needs to teach these black kids how to behave around police officers that think they are a threat from their skin color.
This verdict saddens me based on what I've seen. Of all the cases that have come up for officer involved shootings lately I thought this one was clear cut that the officer made a mistake and should have faced repercussions for it. If there's more evidence that the jury saw I'd love for that to be released to the public to help clear the air here because I am currently losing faith that officers will be held responsible for their actions.
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"Philando Castille mom hyping people up on a facebook stream..."
She seems like a kind loving mother and good role model to me. Why not give her some quality air time.
I think this pushes a bit too far, but honestly it seems like a response that many parents would have. This seemed like a clear case to many people and the justice system ruled otherwise. The family took the legal route after their relative was killed and the person who killed them was not convicted. Let's not let the badge cloud what happened here. The officer killed someone who was (seemingly, unless other evidence is presented) not threatening, made it known that he was a legal gun carrier, and tried to obey the officer's orders. In any case where the murderer walks free the family has a negative reaction, so I'm not too surprised. I'm trying to think of what I would do if something similar happened to anyone in my family and I can't form an accurate reaction. It's just so far out of what I imagine happening. Hopefully no one here will have to find out how they respond to a situation like that.
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Trigger happy cop should have gone to prison. I was in fear for my life he said and walked free.
Otoh, I've put the car keys on the top of a car before and left my hands outside the window with the dome light on. Someone needs to teach these black kids how to behave around police officers that think they are a threat from their skin color.
This gets brought up repeatedly, but I don't see how it applies here. There have definitely been some of these officer involved shootings where there were very clear behaviors that triggered the response here. But in this case I honestly can't think of what a normal person would have done differently. I'm not one to harp on it from a racial standpoint, but honestly if the solution is "this race of people should take extra care to not upset the cops whenever there is an interaction" then maybe there is a race problem that needs to be addressed.
I'm not one to harp on it from a racial standpoint, but honestly if the solution is "this race of people should take extra care to not upset the cops whenever there is an interaction" then maybe there is a race problem that needs to be addressed.
Perhaps the proclivity for violence from that race?
Look, I don't see a point in sugar coating it. When you represent 16% of the population but 35% of reported violent crime how can you expect not to be treated different?
As messed up as the treating all based on the actions of the few is, this is a small percent of the US population committing a large percent of the violent crime.
This equates to the difference of 33 murders out of every 100,000 people committed by blacks and 4.7 murders out of every 100,000 people committed by whites. Basically, violence happens at occurs about 7 times more frequent from blacks over whites. Real world experience is going to jade officers to be more weary of the race they see the most violence from.
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Perhaps the proclivity for violence from that race?
Look, I don't see a point in sugar coating it. When you represent 16% of the population but 35% of reported violent crime how can you expect not to be treated different?
As messed up as the treating all based on the actions of the few is, this is a small percent of the US population committing a large percent of the violent crime.
This equates to the difference of 33 murders out of every 100,000 people committed by blacks and 4.7 murders out of every 100,000 people committed by whites. Basically, violence happens at occurs about 7 times more frequent from blacks over whites. Real world experience is going to jade officers to be more weary of the race they see the most violence from.
I expect people to be treated like people first when it comes to interactions. The argument about metrics is a deep discussion to go over that involves a lot of history. If you or anyone else is interested in looking into it further I'd love to have that discussion with you, mostly because I've found that when people who are really interested in that convo trade ideas I usually get to learn a good deal. But to your comment, using those numbers as justification to be more suspicious is perfectly fine by me. What needs to change is the behavior that follows that suspicion. If two people are pulled over by the police for the same reason and perform the same actions that should yield the same response. If there is a group of people that have to do a different set of actions in order to not be legally justifiably killed that will naturally breed contempt which further feeds the cycle of suspicion and the behaviors that have followed.
For example, one of the people that works under me became a close friend which eventually led to her telling me more about her personal life. On one particular occasion a friend of hers decided to try some of the harder drugs (can't remember which specifically). This guy comes into her apartment pissed off, breaking furniture, yelling, and by all accounts acting completely insane. Her first thought was to call the police, because that's what you're supposed to be able to do. Her next thought was "If I call the police there is a chance that he will die tonight and I don't want that to happen." So she cleared the place and hid out watching until he calmed down. Once he settled down she helped him get to sleep. After which she set up a rehab center to come pick him up a few days later. The point is that she should have been able to rely on the police to help in that situation, but was too afraid to call them for fear of someone close to her dying at the hands of the officers. I'm not sure if you agree, but to me, that is a problem.
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As messed up as the treating all based on the actions of the few is, this is a small percent of the US population committing a large percent of the violent crime.
To me, that's slightly dismissive in that people expect a different behavior than what is happening in the country right now as a result of this line of thinking. What can be an extension of this line of thought is "It's okay to treat a group of people as guilty til proven innocent since that group commits more crime." There are many that feel that is a justified position to hold and that's perfectly fine to be of that opinion. But, that line of thinking is why BLM and others like them attract an audience. They say "Police are treating us differently, there's a race problem to be addressed." If the response is "The race problem exists because we feel it's ok to treat this group differently because of higher crime statistics" then you've given them ground. At that point you've both said there's a race problem and that's what they are trying to highlight. Now, from some points of view, it's justified in response to criminal behavior. The problem according to them is that they don't only have to deal with increased scrutiny when they are committing criminal behavior. One of the easiest ways to piss a lot of people off is to accuse them of stuff they didn't do. You don't have to look far in O/T to see some of the responses when certain members started calling others all kinds of -ists that they don't identify with. I don't see how others can be expected to react differently to a similar situation.
Perhaps the proclivity for violence from that race?
Look, I don't see a point in sugar coating it. When you represent 16% of the population but 35% of reported violent crime how can you expect not to be treated different?
As messed up as the treating all based on the actions of the few is, this is a small percent of the US population committing a large percent of the violent crime.
This equates to the difference of 33 murders out of every 100,000 people committed by blacks and 4.7 murders out of every 100,000 people committed by whites. Basically, violence happens at occurs about 7 times more frequent from blacks over whites. Real world experience is going to jade officers to be more weary of the race they see the most violence from.
Honestly, I don't know that any race is more likely than another to commit crime, but I know for a fact that low life low class people of all colors are responsible for the vast majority of crime.
There is no one answer. It is actually many things.
Single parenting. Gangs. Drugs. Economy. Education. Nurturing violent crime as the solution to problems or the way to make a living. A society that is engineered to keep the poor, poor. * A society that makes poor an attractive option. **
*: Essentially, if you start with a population of 1,000 and 20 of them are wealthy. Over 100 years, that population grows to 100,000 and 1,500 of them are wealthy then there are more wealthy people now right? Yes and no. Yes 1,500 people is more than 20. However you started with 20% of the population being wealthy and ended with 15% being wealthy. That's what I mean by engineered to keep the poor, poor. While the number of wealthy people may continue to rise, it does not increase at the same rate that the population increases, or in this specific instance at the same rate the black population increases. I know we all like to say, anyone that wants it can have the American Dream. That is simply not true. There is not enough for all to have it so therefore logically not anyone who wants it can have it. I don't think I've personally ever met someone who didn't "want the American Dream".
**: By an attractive option I mean social programs. Why would you want to get that job at McDonalds making minimum wage when it will reduce your "benefits" more than what you will make after taxes, transportation costs and any non compensated child support? Food stamps go down, cash aide goes down, you may lose your ability to section 8 housing, your income may be higher than what you need to qualify for medicaid, you may earn to much to get subsidized daycare, you may earn to much to get WIC and you may earn to much to keep that lifeline. ( Or as some like to call it even though it was around long before Obama, the Obama phone. It morphed from landline to cellular but it's been there since the 90's at least because I remember my oldest sister having it. ) Why can't they fill those positions? Why would anybody want to take that job and end up worse off?
Among many other reasons I'm sure. Of course several of those will have aspects that overlap and are not strictly related or limited to the black demographic. I probably won't be popular for what I'm saying here as it's easier to blame it on being lazy than to confront the obstacles placed in the way of the poor. Sure, the rare minority or poor person will come up with a Harry Potter or a Pet Rock and pull themselves out of it. But those are the exception not the rule. Everybody can't become wealthy, it's just not possible. So we have a government that props up the poor making it so that it's more beneficial to stay poor than to try to get yourself out of it.
That's what I think the problems are. What to do about them? I have no effing clue. More government to keep that status quo? Yay! Keep making being poor the best option! That will fix it! Or we could what? Force businesses to pay a higher wage and limit the amount of profit they can make so that the wealth gets spread around more evenly? Sorry. I'm not a socialist or a communist so, no. Maybe limit the stock market system so that dividends aren't paid out but instead that money goes to the wages for employees of the company in the way of bonuses? Doubtful as the ones who get those bonuses would probably continue to be upper management just making themselves that much wealthier. Make it so that wealth in the stock market is based solely on what you buy and sell for? Some stocks don't pay dividends so work this way already. I'm curious, has it resulted in higher wages for that companies employees?
I'm just thinking out loud, so take any suggestions or likely results for what they are worth. Which would be overly simplistic and probably not a good solution.
So if you were expecting some right wing response, I doubt that's what you got. I'm not liberal, but I am not a total conservative. I am registered Independent because of several reasons which I think are just distraction issues the parties use to divide us. That way we keep looking at each other instead of actually finding out what it's like living at each economic level. It's easier to keep things going the way they are if you keep the other social classes being the villain. The poor are lazy! The rich don't want to pay us enough to live!
Consider this a second here:
1930 averages. Income: 1,970.00 New car: 670.00 .34 years worth of income. House: 7,145.00 3.62 years of income.
2010 averages. Income: 44,306.00 New car: 29,217.00 .65 years of income. House: 272,900.00 6.15 years of income.
Pay has not kept up with cost. The American Dream is less affordable today than it was in 1930. That's not solely a black demographic problem though.
If two people are pulled over by the police for the same reason and perform the same actions that should yield the same response.
I don't disagree with that. I have tinted windows on my car and when pulled over, I wholly expect the officer to approach with his hand on his weapon. Thus I keep my hands gripped tightly on the wheel with the window down. The color of my skin matters not. I know they can not see into my car well and as such do what I can to show I am not a threat. But yes, if you are cooperative and do nothing to constitute a physical threat, then yes all should be treated the same.
I personally do not know the specifics of this case. I see some say he told them he had a CCP and another says he didn't. I don't know which is true and I don't know what evidence the jury saw that brought them to their conclusion. I would suspect there was something compelling, as the jury was not hung.
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For example, one of the people that works under me became a close friend which eventually led to her telling me more about her personal life. On one particular occasion a friend of hers decided to try some of the harder drugs (can't remember which specifically). This guy comes into her apartment pissed off, breaking furniture, yelling, and by all accounts acting completely insane. Her first thought was to call the police, because that's what you're supposed to be able to do. Her next thought was "If I call the police there is a chance that he will die tonight and I don't want that to happen." So she cleared the place and hid out watching until he calmed down. Once he settled down she helped him get to sleep. After which she set up a rehab center to come pick him up a few days later. The point is that she should have been able to rely on the police to help in that situation, but was too afraid to call them for fear of someone close to her dying at the hands of the officers. I'm not sure if you agree, but to me, that is a problem.
Some would say that it was her afraid the cops would kill him others would say it's her afraid the guy would do something making the cops kill him. There is a difference as one puts the blame on the cops, the other on the individual. That individual is the one who chose to use those hard drugs. She could rely on the cops. If she would have called, they would have come. What she could not rely on was the guy cooperating with the police. That's not the cops fault, that's his.
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To me, that's slightly dismissive in that people expect a different behavior than what is happening in the country right now as a result of this line of thinking. What can be an extension of this line of thought is "It's okay to treat a group of people as guilty til proven innocent since that group commits more crime." There are many that feel that is a justified position to hold and that's perfectly fine to be of that opinion. But, that line of thinking is why BLM and others like them attract an audience. They say "Police are treating us differently, there's a race problem to be addressed." If the response is "The race problem exists because we feel it's ok to treat this group differently because of higher crime statistics" then you've given them ground. At that point you've both said there's a race problem and that's what they are trying to highlight. Now, from some points of view, it's justified in response to criminal behavior. The problem according to them is that they don't only have to deal with increased scrutiny when they are committing criminal behavior. One of the easiest ways to piss a lot of people off is to accuse them of stuff they didn't do. You don't have to look far in O/T to see some of the responses when certain members started calling others all kinds of -ists that they don't identify with. I don't see how others can be expected to react differently to a similar situation.
Think about this for a second. Let's look at it by the numbers. It's not dismissive to illustrate that in one situation violent altercations are more likely to happen than in another. It's like another thread we had awhile back. It was something to the effect of more violent crime is committed by whites than by Muslims. That's all fine and well but you have to look at it in context. Whites make up 63% of the US population. Muslims make up less that 2%. So yeah, I would completely expect 63% of the population to commit more violent crime on the whole than 2% of the population. However, when you look at the specific number of violent crimes committed by each, you will find the occurrence of violent crimes in the Muslim population was, I forget the exact rate but, it was like 8-9 x the frequency. That means if Muslims represented the same % of the population that whites do, the amount of violent crime would be INSANE. So you know who cops should be even more critical of than blacks? Muslims because blacks commit violent crimes at 4 times the rate of whites and Muslims are twice that of blacks.
This is an overly simplistic example just for illustrative effects and in no way constitute the actual number of violent altercations per 1000 people. So let's say that for every 1000 whites pulled over they have violent altercations with 25. Blacks that would be 100 out of 1000 and Muslims 200 out of 1000. Basically, 1 out of every 10 stops of a black would result in a violent altercation. 2 out of every 10 with Muslims. Finally, .25 out of every 10 with whites.
Who do you think cops are going to be more apprehensive with when stopping in the above example?
That's why I'm saying, yes it is a race problem. That race problem starts in the communities that extol violent crime as exceptable. To excuse breaking and entering as "okay" because "how else my boys gonna get their new school clothes", is ludicrous. Then to be pissed off when they get shot by the home owner because he feared for his life? When you say "Burn this ***** down" because you don't like a verdict, guess what you're doing? You're saying violent crime is okay. You are teaching your youth to resort to violence to resolve any issues they come up against.
Consider this. 63% of the population is white and 16% is black. Yet each group counts for close to the same percent of violent crimes total. Which does it occur at a higher rate in? Not a higher percent, but higher rate. About 4:1 between blacks and whites in total. ( I miss quoted a number in the previous post. It's murders committed that occurs 7 times the rate in the black demographic verses the white demographic. Violent crime on the whole is only about 4 times the rate. ) So, which demographic has the higher disregard for life?
Of course as my other post shows, there is so much more to this than just the frequency of violent crimes among different population percentages. I just realized something. A black is 4 times more likely to be killed by a cop than a white. Violent crime occurs at 4 times the rate among the black demographic verses the white. Wow... just wow. Go figure right? Seems to me like cops are killing blacks and whites at the same rate they commit violent crimes. You want less blacks killed? Commit less violent crime. It's worked for the whites. How you do that is a whole other bag of pissed off pussies. I know it won't be done by rioting and blaming cops. The cops have to police the people. Blame the lawmakers that don't do anything to make sure you have opportunities other than being attractively poor. You have to turn around the propensity for violent crime in the black demographic or it will never stop.
I should have just not posted in this thread. I really don't have the time to dedicate to researching and posting on here right now. I'm trying to dedicate as much free time as I can to writing my book which already requires researching things ( I mean I've got 10 tabs opened to the internet on my second screen for it right now ). Therefore, I won't be picking up and posting more on this topic. Hopefully someone else with more time can respond to any further expansion in thought or information if the care to explore it. I am unfortunately like Rinselburg in a way as I would rather use more words to express a thought than few words that don't fully express thoughts leaving them hollow and lacking. I'm just not as likely to copy whole sections of reports from different news sources without putting them in a quote box.
It's been fun and I'm sure we still won't agree but /shrug.
But in this case I honestly can't think of what a normal person would have done differently.
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Ok, first thing is to get your ID and CCP out and in your hands. Now roll down your window and hold both hands on the steering wheel or out the window. DO NOT MAKE ANY SUDDEN MOVES AS THE OFFICER APPROACHES. Tell the officer that you have a weapon and where it's located. Ask him how to proceed. Let the officer control the situation. Again, do not make any sudden moves. Do exactly as you are instructed especially if he already has a gun drawn. Keep your hands in sight at all times.
As I understand it, the officer approached the vehicle and was told by the victim that he had a gun. The officer said to not reach for it but the guy said he was only getting his ID and then reached for his wallet which is near where the gun was located. For some reason the officer thought the victim was a threat and the jury agreed.
LACK OF PHUCKING MORALS.. LACK OF PARENTS THAT GIVE TWO SHITS LACK OF THE VALUE OF LIFE ..
Don't even try to blame it on being poor. that crap don't fly.. being poor or well off, don't change your moral compass, or lack of one..
This is kind of what I am getting at. Either you believe the black people are some kind of inferior race which is more likely to commit crime, or you accept that they are dealt an exceptionally crappy hand by our society.
The former is an incredibly racist idea, the latter requires a serious critique of how African-Americans are treated in this country. Is it really their responsibility to overcome all of the additional burdens that they have simply because for centuries black culture was sculpted by the racist white man? How can an entire group of people change their culture in one generation when they have been segregated for centuries, left behind by all of our institutions, abused by police forces, lynched, excluded from our economic success, and forcefully denied a proper education?
Being poor in this country has never been easy, but it has been especially hard for the black community. The idea that they should just all of a sudden "trust cops" and listen to them is absurd. They are still being abused by the system. Ask Kalief Browder, who was at Rikers Island for three years without trial. Or how about the torture squads that ran around Chicago until 1991, literally sodomizing innocent black men(link). Would you listen to a cop if your father was thrown in jail while being innocent because the police tortured a false confession out of him? How about the aspiring rap artist who was thrown in jail for a torture threat because he wrote the wrong rap lyircs, and didn't even use them?(Link)
Too many people are way too eager to blame the victim in police shootings. Even in this thread, there is an assumption that the black guy must have done something wrong, despite there being zero evidence for it. The only evidence is, "well the Jury must have seen something". Really? You can see the evidence for yourself. Its not hard to find. Look at what happened, think independently. There is no way this man deserved to die for what he did. "He was high on Marijuana", when is the last time some one who was high on weed was a threat? He followed the police officers orders, and died with his daughter in the car. Who would start a shootout with a police officer with their daughter in the car?
This man had been pulled over by the police over thirty times. Take a look Link The vast majority of those convicted crimes were only done because the original reason why he was pulled over was not a crime. When you see that "No proof of insurance" without a traffic citation? Yeah, that's for the crime of "Driving while black". And what is he supposed to do after he gets a bunch of those and loses his license? Lose his job as well? I am sure the same people here assuming his guilt would be the first to point to him and call him a "lazy black man" when he lost his job, because he couldn't afford insurance, because he lost his license, because he was pulled over for no real reason. This doesn't even get into the fact that he was pulled over so many times, why would he all of a sudden not listen to a police officer? He knew the drill.
The mental gymnastics some people will go through to paint a black man as a criminal is insane, especially on this thread. I have heard multiple stories of officers mistreating members of this forum, you would think there would be some sympathy for others, but I guess if they don't share you skin color, they aren't worth caring about.
If you get a ticket and do not pay said ticket, you should be punished.
I lost my license about 7 years ago for several months. I had an unpaid parking ticket out of Michigan that went to court, and my license was suspended by MY lack of attention. It cost me just over $730 to make it right.
Perhaps one day you will receive an education. You are clearly incorrect, numerous folks let you know of this, yet pigeon around like you have the experience to talk of what you read. Keep the hate alive. I wish the best for you.
Edit: You can cry all that you want. It does not affect my day in the least. There was a court ruling on this and you are only able to supply unsubstantiated opinion on the matter. Facts were presented to a court of peers. Do you not agree with having a court system in place? Should our court system rely on your ill judgement?
Please stop your preposterous hate.
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Edit: You can cry all that you want. It does not affect my day in the least. There was a court ruling on this and you are only able to supply unsubstantiated opinion on the matter. Facts were presented to a court of peers. Do you not agree with having a court system in place? Should our court system rely on your ill judgement?
Please stop your preposterous hate.
Yea mob justice! Let's go back to midnight lynching?
? I advocated the justice system. I am confused by your post.
His disagreeing with the courts ruling saying everything you need to know is available in the public domain. That would be the result of "Do you not agree with having a court system in place? Should our court system rely on such ill judgement?" That would be going back to mob rule.
It was nothing against what you advocated for. It was more the matter that without a court system, or with a court system that is instead tailored to respond to public opinion rather than law, you are subject to mob justice. Mob justice should have a sour history in the minds of those who were subjected to the worst aspects of it. I can not understand why such would want it to come back.
I hope that clears it up.
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Is your statement based on the factual trial records, media reporting or your personal opinion?
A trial with a jury of your peers, in our court system, is about the fairest judgement human laws have devised.
But hey, the court of public opinion, moderated by the impartial media......
Strictly opinion based on personal experience as a concealed carrier. A threat to the officers life would involve a weapon pointed in his direction. The first responders reported that they found a weapon in the deceased pocket. Seems to me the officer feared for his life based on his assumption. Nowhere in the trail record does the officer testify he SAW A WEAPON. If the deceased said he had one, that's a grain of salt. If the deceased said he had a valid drivers license, the officer would verify it.
The cop jumped the gun. LITERALLY! A man died.
Edit; why could the officer pull his weapon and remove the deceased at gun point. (At the ready?) There was no actual threat, the officer showed cowardice. 5 seconds could have been a huge difference but the officer didn't give him that chance.
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Strictly opinion based on personal experience as a concealed carrier. A threat to the officers life would involve a weapon pointed in his direction. The first responders reported that they found a weapon in the deceased pocket. Seems to me the officer feared for his life based on his assumption. Nowhere in the trail record does the officer testify he SAW A WEAPON. If the deceased said he had one, that's a grain of salt. If the deceased said he had a valid drivers license, the officer would verify it.
The cop jumped the gun. LITERALLY! A man died.
Edit; why could the officer pull his weapon and remove the deceased at gun point. (At the ready?) There was no actual threat, the officer showed cowardice. 5 seconds could have been a huge difference but the officer didn't give him that chance.
I get the feeling Police Officers are scared/on edge/apprehensive of young black men. I don't know if that summation is limited to only white Police Officers or not. Do black officers feel the same way?
If it's true, it's a shame that color is even seen as an indicator.....in anything. Especially character.
I wonder if cops use any priors they are aware of as an indicator of said character? Or is all "black" character simply grouped as one?
To a white mind, is black automatically scary, untrustworthy, unpredictable?
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His disagreeing with the courts ruling saying everything you need to know is available in the public domain. That would be the result of "Do you not agree with having a court system in place? Should our court system rely on such ill judgement?" That would be going back to mob rule.
It was nothing against what you advocated for. It was more the matter that without a court system, or with a court system that is instead tailored to respond to public opinion rather than law, you are subject to mob justice. Mob justice should have a sour history in the minds of those who were subjected to the worst aspects of it. I can not understand why such would want it to come back.
I hope that clears it up.
I want a justice system based on facts. I never advocated mob rule here. I believe YOU are taking MY words incorrectly.
This is kind of what I am getting at. Either you believe the black people are some kind of inferior race which is more likely to commit crime, or you accept that they are dealt an exceptionally crappy hand by our society.
The former is an incredibly racist idea, the latter requires a serious critique of how African-Americans are treated in this country. Is it really their responsibility to overcome all of the additional burdens that they have simply because for centuries black culture was sculpted by the racist white man? How can an entire group of people change their culture in one generation when they have been segregated for centuries, left behind by all of our institutions, abused by police forces, lynched, excluded from our economic success, and forcefully denied a proper education?
Being poor in this country has never been easy, but it has been especially hard for the black community. The idea that they should just all of a sudden "trust cops" and listen to them is absurd. They are still being abused by the system. Ask Kalief Browder, who was at Rikers Island for three years without trial. Or how about the torture squads that ran around Chicago until 1991, literally sodomizing innocent black men(link). Would you listen to a cop if your father was thrown in jail while being innocent because the police tortured a false confession out of him? How about the aspiring rap artist who was thrown in jail for a torture threat because he wrote the wrong rap lyircs, and didn't even use them?(Link)
Too many people are way too eager to blame the victim in police shootings. Even in this thread, there is an assumption that the black guy must have done something wrong, despite there being zero evidence for it. The only evidence is, "well the Jury must have seen something". Really? You can see the evidence for yourself. Its not hard to find. Look at what happened, think independently. There is no way this man deserved to die for what he did. "He was high on Marijuana", when is the last time some one who was high on weed was a threat? He followed the police officers orders, and died with his daughter in the car. Who would start a shootout with a police officer with their daughter in the car?
This man had been pulled over by the police over thirty times. Take a look Link The vast majority of those convicted crimes were only done because the original reason why he was pulled over was not a crime. When you see that "No proof of insurance" without a traffic citation? Yeah, that's for the crime of "Driving while black". And what is he supposed to do after he gets a bunch of those and loses his license? Lose his job as well? I am sure the same people here assuming his guilt would be the first to point to him and call him a "lazy black man" when he lost his job, because he couldn't afford insurance, because he lost his license, because he was pulled over for no real reason. This doesn't even get into the fact that he was pulled over so many times, why would he all of a sudden not listen to a police officer? He knew the drill.
The mental gymnastics some people will go through to paint a black man as a criminal is insane, especially on this thread. I have heard multiple stories of officers mistreating members of this forum, you would think there would be some sympathy for others, but I guess if they don't share you skin color, they aren't worth caring about.
You are a tool,, I'm black I grew up poor, and in a bad area.. I busted my ass to get what I got.. working hard, . so I could buy a home.. I didn't got to college. I didn't turn to a "thug life" I didn't cry.. They are keeping me down, It's them not me/us.. GTFU with your **** ..
Cosby and J.J.Walker were totally right, it's blacks holding blacks down, and I'm sure your teaching/brainwashing kids heads..
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I want a justice system based on facts. I never advocated mob rule here. I believe YOU are taking MY words incorrectly.
I hope that clears it up.
Ugh, obviously it didn't.
You were obviously commenting to Threedog in the post I quoted your words from. I was merely shinning a light on what he wrote. Those words would be:
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From Threedog's Post: Too many people are way too eager to blame the victim in police shootings. Even in this thread, there is an assumption that the black guy must have done something wrong, despite there being zero evidence for it. The only evidence is, "well the Jury must have seen something". Really? You can see the evidence for yourself. Its not hard to find. Look at what happened, think independently.
He is telling people that all they need to know to determine guilt is in the public domain.
Your words after which were not in support of those ideals but in fact an obvious extension of what Threedog wrote above, were:
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Do you not agree with having a court system in place? Should our court system rely on your ill judgement?
Essentially, you asked the questions that direct us to what his assertion would bring. People not agreeing with the court system that is in place. A court system instead that was swayed by the ill judgement of public opinion. Basically, Mob Justice.
That's not what YOU advocated for and why I'm taking the time to explain this. I wasn't saying anything bad about you in any way. I was expanding on what you wrote based off the direction Threedog took in his post.
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It was nothing against what you advocated for.
You are correct. It was not what you advocated for and I never said you did. It was however the natural extension of Threedog's words and honestly, the whole point of the riots in protest. The Mob isn't happy and are going to throw a fit until they get the Justice they want.
I know what your words were and I did not take them incorrectly. I didn't mean for the misunderstanding to occur. I apologize.
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