Not so sure. I equate it roughly, to a sailor that gets as many crewman out of a flooding compartment as he thinks he can, then closes the hatchway and dogs it to prevent the flooding from progressing, even tho he knows there is or may be others inside to fend for themselves or drown.
Not so sure. I equate it roughly, to a sailor that gets as many crewman out of a flooding compartment as he thinks he can, then closes the hatchway and dogs it to prevent the flooding from progressing, even tho he knows there is or may be others inside to fend for themselves or drown.
I might buy that analogy except for the 3rd to the last sentence in that article.
She's a lot closer to a "hero" than somebody who's just following procedure, *and* immediately getting on his cell phone to call THE MEDIA.
I just don't see any extraordinary act or sacrifice on his part that warrants the "hero" label.
I also detest people that actively go seeking that status and / or accept it when they know it's undeserved.
[This message has been edited by randye (edited 03-04-2018).]
That term (hero) gets thrown around pretty loosely nowadays anyway, especially by the media. I suspect they are the ones that tagged him with that term.
I also suspect that in fire drill, the teacher does as always, and was last one to leave the classroom (ensuring no one is left behind) and that age student have always been instructed to proceed to the nearest exit, which probably meant the class was pretty strung out along the hallway(s). Younger students, when my kids were in school, formed a line out in the hallway and then moved as a group to the exit, but probably not the case with this age group.
I admit, the media would be the last entity I would have dialed under the same circumstances.
[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 03-03-2018).]
(Blackrams) "Roger, This is not as complicated as some would have us think. Responsible parenting and community involvement would solve a lot of these issues"
Most of what you said is exactly what ive said multiple times. IF you make under 21 unsupervised shooting, or owning against a law...AND enforce a strict penalty for it, you can control a lot of it. Just making another law isnt going to do anything. Making severe penalties and enforcing them might. I think any kid would think more about it if he KNEW just getting caught with it would lock him up for 10 years. It would be mandatory...no plea deals, no parole, no appeal. Just like say car theft...minors know they can steal a car and get completely away with it. I caught a guy trying to get in one of my cars, held him for police at gunpoint, and they found the back of his pickup truck filled with stolen items like tools, stereos, wheels, etc (cop said it was over $15K. He was a minor and he was out of jail with his parents before I even drove down to fill out my report. Police said they didnt prosecute because he was under 18. He was probably out stealing the next nite and laughing about it to his friends.
Just joined the NRA. I don't own any guns... maybe won't ever buy one, but figured I'd help counter the liberal-left-looney nonsense.
I highly recommend a .22lr, like a Ruger 10/22. It won't break the bank, to purchase it or ammo. Does not require too much of a back stop, and you can shoot it wothout hearing protection. Just a nice little rifle. A step up from a pellet gun.
Heh he, a 20 year old is suing Dick's Sporting Goods for refusing to sell him a Ruger 22 rifle based upon his age.
Age discriminantion.
Ha, good luck. Like ive said a privately owned business has the right to not sell something if they dont want too. Ill bet he was put up to it for someone to make a case.
Some the stuff they are trying to pushing through MN.
"House File 1605 would create a “Gun Violence Protection Order” that would allow an individual’s family members, household member, chief law enforcement officer or city/county attorney to petition the court for an order to remove someone’s Second Amendment rights if they consider the individual to be a danger to themselves or others simply because the individual possesses a firearm. The petitioner would be able to request this order without providing clear and convincing evidence that is typically required when restricting a person’s fundamental rights. However, the respondent would have to provide their own clear and convincing evidence in order to prove that they are not a threat to themselves or others. This legislation is ripe for abuse, and the mere insinuation that gun ownership makes you a danger to yourself or others is offensive and insulting."
I don't get why this one in MN is focused on guns. It sounds like something that was available in the past? If someone is a risk is there no way to get a psyche eval of some sort? I mean like we have said before guns aren't the problem. The person can acess many things to do damage with.
Some other ones...
Illinois Trying to ban magazines over 10 rounds. "On March 6th, the Illinois state House of Representatives will be voting on House Bill 1469 to ban the vast majority of ammunition magazines in use today. Please contact your state Representative and urge them to OPPOSE HB 1469. House Bill 1469, sponsored by Representative Daniel Burke (D-1), would ban standard capacity ammunition magazines over 10 rounds in capacity. The vast majority of handguns have standard capacity magazines holding more than 10 rounds. This bill has no grandfather clause allowing owners of these magazines to keep them, and would instead require that they be disposed of within 90 days."
Pennsylvania "a proposal to ban commonly owned semi-automatic firearms and standard capacity magazines in Pennsylvania.a ban of more than 150 commonly owned firearms. This legislation would also ban the sale of standard capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Senator Fontana declared that this ban would mirror a law enacted in Connecticut, which is considered to be one of the worst infringements upon Second Amendment rights in the nation."
[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 03-06-2018).]
Originally posted by rogergarrison: Ha, good luck. Like ive said a privately owned business has the right to not sell something if they dont want too. Ill bet he was put up to it for someone to make a case.
I understand your point Roger, but, try selling it to the bakery who didn't want to make a gay wedding cake.
Yesterday was the one month anniversary of this monstrous event, and this thread, once 'hot', is already on page two of the Forum.
Any conversation on the perceived effectiveness of the Progressives and their MSM allies in pointing the conversation towards gun control, and their use of teenagers in driving public policy, while vilifying the world's foremost gun safety organization and legal and responsible gun owners?
(Blackrams) "Roger, This is not as complicated as some would have us think. Responsible parenting and community involvement would solve a lot of these issues"
Most of what you said is exactly what ive said multiple times. IF you make under 21 unsupervised shooting, or owning against a law...AND enforce a strict penalty for it, you can control a lot of it. Just making another law isnt going to do anything. Making severe penalties and enforcing them might. I think any kid would think more about it if he KNEW just getting caught with it would lock him up for 10 years. It would be mandatory...no plea deals, no parole, no appeal. Just like say car theft...minors know they can steal a car and get completely away with it. I caught a guy trying to get in one of my cars, held him for police at gunpoint, and they found the back of his pickup truck filled with stolen items like tools, stereos, wheels, etc (cop said it was over $15K. He was a minor and he was out of jail with his parents before I even drove down to fill out my report. Police said they didnt prosecute because he was under 18. He was probably out stealing the next nite and laughing about it to his friends.
May I also assume you wish to move the legal voting age and minimum age to serve in the military to 21? What you are suggesting is rescending those 18 year old 2nd Amendment Rights. Or, do you expect young men and women to serve, risk their lives and yet still not have all the rights you and I have?
quote
Originally posted by rogergarrison:
Ha, good luck. Like ive said a privately owned business has the right to not sell something if they dont want too. Ill bet he was put up to it for someone to make a case.
Personally, I think the gent suing Dick's and Walmart for age discrmination has a good case. State and Federal laws in his state say he is legal to purchase and those two companies are denying his purchase strictly based on his age. The way I see it, if they don't want to sell guns to those below 21, they need to stop selling guns to those over 21 also. IOWs, get out of gun sales. Their move.
You would probably not appreciate it if, I was promoting the revocation of all driving privledges for anyone over the age of 65. The facts support that way more 65 year old people are involved in accidents (some being fatal) than all school shootings so, it makes sense to take those old foggies driving privledges away don't you think?
------------------ Rams
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
My wife told me to grow up. I told her to get out of my fort!
[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 03-15-2018).]
We have been talking, and there is no way in hell she is shooting that 12 gauge.
On a more serious note, she is worthy of armament. She will sit here with me at the table an intently learn. So very proud. Baby steps, but not without reward.
Thank you for posting this video. Sanity, in an insane world...
I totally agree. Thank you Texasfiero for posting this. And I hope that Governor Bevin keeps up the good work. It is the smirking "independent advisors" that need to be taken to the woodshed for their inability to see anything other than the desire to control the people and remove guns from normal upstanding citizens. The assault on the 2nd amendment just goes on and has no connection with the whole violence in schools debate.
I read a lot of information on a variety of subjects, and from as many perspectives as I can. I have strong beliefs as to what is correct, and how things should be; many times what I read it hard to get through due to the perspective of the author.....
With that as a preamble, I find it saddening, and cause for concern, that most of what I read is people shouting their narrow views from the rooftops. There are very few who try to do the hard work of finding a common ground that can be used to find a solution to a problem.
Everyone seems to gravitate to like minded points of view, create echo chambers and then bang the drum loudly until total deafness sets in.
I'm sure many of you have noticed the same thing.
At what point do we stop doing this, stop this insanity, and do the hard work of starting the conversations necessary to begin tackling and fixing just one problem?
The video that is posted above features a man who is attempting to at least frame the history of the meltdown that our collective society is experiencing. We need to pay attention to his message, and dig deep within our selves to find a way forward to start those conversations our society needs.
[This message has been edited by olejoedad (edited 03-20-2018).]
A gunman who shot and wounded two students at Great Mills High School in Maryland was killed Tuesday after engaging an armed school resource officer, an official said.
The shooter was the only fatality. A female student was critically injured and a male student was also shot but is in stable condition at a hospital, authorities said.
"Our school resource officer was alerted to the event. he pursued the shooter, engaged the shooter, fired a round at the shooter," St. Mary's County Sheriff Tim Cameron said. "The shooter fired a round as well. In the hours and days to come, we'll be able to determine if our school resource officer's round struck the shooter."
He either shot himself, or the officer shot him. THAT is how you end school shootings. Close 'gun-free' zones.
Yes Blackrams, like you said, if you serve in military you should have all the other rights. So yes Im saying make the minimum age for military, drinking age and voting age ALL to 21. Works fine for me.
When you have a drivers license from passing the tests, ive always been all for a driving test...written and driving...everytime you renew it. I also dont like driving around old fogies any more than punk kids. Id take a test every 4 years if required...no problem.
according to CDC who keep such records;
" The risk of motor vehicle crashes is higher among 16-19-year-olds than among any other age group. In fact, per mile driven, teen drivers ages 16 to 19 are nearly THREE times more likely than drivers aged 20 and older to be in a fatal crash.Oct 16, 2017"
I saw that earlier today. And this quote really amuses me:
"Many students, like Robinson, aren't happy about the new security measures. She pointed out that the gunman, Nikolas Cruz, was not a student of Stoneman Douglas at the time of the shooting, so the new security measures that appear to target students are counterproductive.
"It's like putting into place all these rules that wouldn't have changed anything," Robinson said.
Some students, like senior Demitri Hoth, recognize the need for new security policies but think the clear backpacks cross a line.
"I get it," he said, but, "it feels like we are losing individualism. I understand why they are doing it, but if a person wants to bring a gun on campus, they just aren't going to put it in their backpack."
Bishop said he would support metal detectors but called the clear backpacks "an invasion of privacy." He believes the increased security measures will make students "safer," but that doesn't mean they'll be "safe."
Like as if all this push for more gun laws was actually going to fix the problem. I hope that they can see and understand how hypocritical this all is.
Now the Parkland students are complaining that going to school is like going to prison. With only being allowed to wear clear backpacks, must wear ID badges at all time, restricted access to other areas of the school.
Well....You wanted to trade freedom for security. Prison life it is. You get what you asked for snowflakes.
Bwahahahahaha! Thumbs up all the way baby! Bwahahahahaha!
Really folks, we will be all naked "for our safety" of course in a few years time. It is the natural progression. Just keep taking it. Not much that you can do to avoid it other than nick yourself from the game, play "The Crying Game" to help ease the pain, or stand your ground. Me, I will be right here.
Yes Blackrams, like you said, if you serve in military you should have all the other rights. So yes Im saying make the minimum age for military, drinking age and voting age ALL to 21. Works fine for me.
When you have a drivers license from passing the tests, ive always been all for a driving test...written and driving...everytime you renew it. I also dont like driving around old fogies any more than punk kids. Id take a test every 4 years if required...no problem.
according to CDC who keep such records;
" The risk of motor vehicle crashes is higher among 16-19-year-olds than among any other age group. In fact, per mile driven, teen drivers ages 16 to 19 are nearly THREE times more likely than drivers aged 20 and older to be in a fatal crash.Oct 16, 2017"
Roger, What you are advocating in reference to 18 year olds and purchasing firearms is strictly based on Age.
So why should we consider any other factors as it applies to driving privileges ?
If you want to "test" elderly drivers, why not test 18 year olds in reference to gun purposes?
If you're going to use age as a guideline, you need to be consistent.
It's easy to advocate taking away another's rights while guarding your own.
In the course of this debate, how many times have we heard 'Why does anyone need an assault rifle, or large capacity magazine, or semiautomatic rifle'?
If they get there way, how long will it be.... 'Why does anyone need.... - a 700 hp automobile - a speedboat if you don't live on a lake - a large family - a job that pays big money - a three bedroom house if you don't have kids - a pickup truck if you don't live on a farm - a large yard'
It's never been about needs in this country, it has always been about what you want.
That 'Pursuit of happiness' thing.
If they win this argument, everything is on the table for the 'need' argument.
There is no "if they win" argument. We have clearly defined inalienable rights against the such, and those transgressions will be enacted upon if need be.
I am not in the least bit worried about losing my rights. Oh, we all know that crap in life can change things for ourselves, but as a nation, as a nation this will never materialize. I am extremely confident of that.
Take a read about this guy that got a bullet to the head while sitting in his car with friends. There is a lot of video about this due to the live streaming of it in it's entirety. I will not post it here.
Play close attention to the author's words. Pay attention to the Detective's words. Just pay attention.
National ‘It ain’t got no clip’: They were playing with two handguns – until one went off, Texas cops say
By Crystal Hill
chill@mcclatchy.com
April 02, 2018 09:13 PM
A man is fighting for his life after a handgun accidentally went off in a car in Houston, Texas — and a bullet struck him in the head, according to police.
It happened early Sunday in the parking lot of a gas station, KPRC-TV reported. The victim, identified by his friends as 26-year-old Devyn Holmes, was with Cassandra Damper, 25, and another man inside the vehicle, authorities said.
The three were checking out two guns when Damper fired one by accident, hitting Holmes, who was sitting in the driver’s seat, according to investigators, CW39 reported.
“The disturbance appears to be kids playing with guns,” said Det. John Roberts.
A video that was reportedly posted on Facebook Live and Instagram shows the moments leading up to the shooting. Holmes is seen on the video talking to a woman and another man, KPRC-TV reported. Then the woman points a gun at the camera and waves it around the car, according to the news station.
“You’re making me nervous,” Holmes can be heard saying, ABC 13 reported. “It ain’t got no clip, bud,” the other man says.
The gun goes off seconds later, the news station reported.
Damper told police she thought the weapons were unloaded, investigators said.
Police say Damper was charged with tampering with evidence after she was caught trying to destroy evidence by wiping off gunshot residue, CW39 reported. She could face additional charges, according to the news station.
Holmes was taken to the hospital, where he’s on life support, the news station said.
Just joined the NRA. I don't own any guns... maybe won't ever buy one, but figured I'd help counter the liberal-left-looney nonsense.
You can help further by buying one of those evil AR-15's they hate so much Hell you can buy a stripped lower receiver for ~$100 and *technically* own one. That was how I started and built it slowly over a few months.
