Based on what I’m reading, Democrats in Congress are pressuring Speaker Pelosi to send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate. Pelosi says the Articles will be passed to the Senate soon. It seems that they have realized the polls show their efforts are not making a difference in DJT support and most Americans do not believe the President has committed any impeachable actions. Pressure is building on the Speaker, she can not control anything that happens in the Senate.
It must be frustrating to realize she is not all powerful. More like the Wicked Witch of the West , IMHO. 🙄
Rams
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Originally posted by blackrams: Pelosi says the Articles will be passed to the Senate soon.
Nutsy Nancy held a Press Conference yesterday. I happened to catch it.
The press is pressuring her too for when. She chose to analogize with football. She reiterated that she wanted to see the stadium in which she will be playing. Has she never seen the Chamber of the Senate ?
She said she wanted to know what the rules were going to be. Has she never read the US Constitution ? The Senate has the SOLE authority to try impeachment. Does she not know that the Senate votes on rules after they receive Articles of Impeachment ? Does she not know that her comrade Harry Reid invoked the nuclear option, ?
She quipped that she needed to know whether to send in the punt team, special teams, offense, or defense. Here is a hint Nancy. Football teams send the whole team to the stadium in which they play, .
It's your play Nancy. It's forth down, and inches. Usually teams punt. Or, you can turn it over on downs Nancy . What is in your playbook that might work ? I know of one that will work. It is in your playbook too. At least to gain field advantage. Yet I don't believe you are that good of a coach and am not going to tell you.
“I have asked Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler to be prepared to bring to the floor next week a resolution to appoint managers and transmit articles of impeachment to the Senate,” Ms. Pelosi said in a letter to colleagues. “I will be consulting with you at our Tuesday House Democratic Caucus meeting on how we proceed further.”
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Democrats have made clear they intend to force votes on whether to call witnesses, and are pressuring Senate Republicans — particularly moderates and those who face re-election challenges in politically competitive states — to join them in supporting the airing of more information.
A trial is not an investigation ! The House needs to prosecute the case with the facts they discovered.
A trial is not an investigation ! The House needs to prosecute the case with the facts they discovered.
This is a double edge sword, the Senate could not call witnesses that could burn dems if the Senate does not do some type of investing. Seems like calling a few key people could do some major harm to Biden and his son.
Originally posted by Rickady88GT: Seems like calling a few key people could do some major harm to Biden and his son.
Not to mention the whistle blowers identification, his motives, and House Rep Shifty and his involvement.
Not to mention, President Trump still has Executive Privilege. There is no guarantee the Dumbs will get what they want and it could still take months for courts to decide.
Which leads me to wonder. Could a President be removed from office in his second term from impeachment action taken during his first. Impeachment is a Congressional remedy taken supposedly on behalf of voters, before his term ends. Because the voters can not do that.
Originally posted by cliffw: Which leads me to wonder. Could a President be removed from office in his second term from impeachment action taken during his first. Impeachment is a Congressional remedy taken supposedly on behalf of voters, before his term ends. Because the voters can not do that.
Well, Queen Nancy has issued her verdict. She was on the Sunday news interview show on ABC, talking about the impeachment and Iran. She said he would be impeached for life.
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Originally posted by cliffw: It's your play Nancy. It's forth down, and inches. Usually teams punt. Or, you can turn it over on downs Nancy . What is in your playbook that might work ? I know of one that will work. It is in your playbook too. At least to gain field advantage. Yet I don't believe you are that good of a coach and am not going to tell you.
I think the Dim team might figure it out. On the Sunday news interview show on ABC, she said she would meet with her caucus to determine what to do next.
I think she said she was going to name 13 'managers' to 'try' this case.
Tomorrow morning is her caucus meeting. The Articles may not yet be coming.
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I think she said she was going to name 13 'managers' to 'try' this case.
Tomorrow morning is her caucus meeting.
Well, IF she is truthful then she will find 6 Dems and 6 Reps and an Independent to over see this in a "bipartisan" effort. I seem to remember a few months back, she was lamenting over the possibility of close-minded partisan hacks making a mockery of such a monumental Constitutional process.
Well, IF she is truthful then she will find 6 Dems and 6 Reps and an Independent to over see this in a "bipartisan" effort. I seem to remember a few months back, she was lamenting over the possibility of close-minded partisan hacks making a mockery of such a monumental Constitutional process.
Yeah well, at first she also said any impeachment would be bi-partisan or it wouldn't happen. Reference the six Dems and six Republicans managers...……….. Check your meds, that ain't happening.
Rams
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The three Democratic front-runners are Senators Sanders and Warren, and Biden. Guess which of these will be free to campaign through the month of February. Nancy is not quite as stupid as she looks.
The three Democratic front-runners are Senators Sanders and Warren, and Biden. Guess which of these will be free to campaign through the month of February. Nancy is not quite as stupid as she looks.
My opinion is that warren is out and between sanders and biden, sanders will drop out next. So, are you saying that nancy is drumming up free political campaign comercials (paid for by tax payers) in the form of investigations and accusations?
My opinion is that warren is out and between sanders and biden, sanders will drop out next. So, are you saying that nancy is drumming up free political campaign comercials (paid for by tax payers) in the form of investigations and accusations?
That is the whole reason for this. they will be using Russian b/s to sway the election. Something they claim DJT did. It is lost on them that most of the public see this for what it is.
My opinion is that warren is out and between sanders and biden, sanders will drop out next. So, are you saying that nancy is drumming up free political campaign comercials (paid for by tax payers) in the form of investigations and accusations?
I think you're wrong about Sanders and Warren, though I wish you were right... or I'm not sure really. I want none of them to win, but I'd love for Trump to run against the least viable candidate possible.
I don't see Warren dropping out at all... I see her sticking through until the primary election is over. There's no reason why she would drop out at this point, no reason at all... same with Bernie. They are all pretty much in the top-3, and I suspect the top-5 won't drop out. Maybe Amy Klobachar will drop out.
So, are you saying that nancy is drumming up free political campaign comercials (paid for by tax payers) in the form of investigations and accusations?
I am suggesting that Joe is the new Hillary, the preordained sinister minister of the DNC, forsaking all others.
Pelosi’s timing conveniently keeps Bernie and Lizzie occupied during the next month, including the all important Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary; while Ol’ Joe is free to peddle his pablum.
Lizzie looses and Bernie gets burned, again.
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I am suggesting that Joe is the new Hillary, the preordained sinister minister of the DNC, forsaking all others.
Pelosi’s timing conveniently keeps Bernie and Lizzie occupied during the next month, including the all important Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary; while Ol’ Joe is free to peddle his pablum.
Lizzie looses and Bernie gets burned, again.
While your theory is possible, I'm thinking it doesn't matter to Pelosi, she just wants anyone other than Trump. She has seen her "power" diminish since the day he was elected so, my theory is, Pelosi wants anyone except Trump. Admittedly, you could be right.
Edited: Speaker Pelosi finally gets off her ass and announces the "managers" and holds vote to send the "Articles of Impeachment" to the Senate.
My personal opinion is she finally came to the realization that she could not control Majority Leader Senator McConnell. She also realizes that she has done all she can to muddy the waters for President Trump. The polls have not changed at all, President Trump not done anything impeachable as far as his base is concerned. Trump haters will use any excuse they can.
Rams
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I think you're wrong about Sanders and Warren, though I wish you were right... or I'm not sure really. I want none of them to win, but I'd love for Trump to run against the least viable candidate possible.
I don't see Warren dropping out at all... I see her sticking through until the primary election is over. There's no reason why she would drop out at this point, no reason at all... same with Bernie. They are all pretty much in the top-3, and I suspect the top-5 won't drop out. Maybe Amy Klobachar will drop out.
You are totally correct, I should have said that they will fall away, not " drop out". I agree with everything you just said.
Timing. Nancy Pelosi has done nothing other than present things at the time she chooses. She is much smarter than we think. Presenting this now causes more work at an inopportune time for those she is working so feverishly against.
It is not just how you attack an opponent, but also when.
You can't tell the players without a program (does that sound overly rinselbergesque?)
Besides the obvious Schiff and Nadler (in no particular order): Jason Crow D-Colorado (east side of Denver metro area) Sylvia Garcia D-Tejas (east side of Houston) Val Demings D-Florida (Orlando's west side) Zoe Lofgren D-California (next door to rinselberg) Hakeem Jeffries D-New York (Brooklyn area)
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You can't tell the players without a program (does that sound overly rinselbergesque?)
Besides the obvious Schiff and Nadler (in no particular order): Jason Crow D-Colorado (east side of Denver metro area) Sylvia Garcia D-Tejas (east side of Houston) Val Demings D-Florida (Orlando's west side) Zoe Lofgren D-California (next door to rinselberg) Hakeem Jeffries D-New York (Brooklyn area)
My question is, can the prosecutors be called upon to testify? I'd really like to see Schiff under oath...…………
Timing. Nancy Pelosi has done nothing other than present things at the time she chooses. She is much smarter than we think. Presenting this now causes more work at an inopportune time for those she is working so feverishly against.
It is not just how you attack an opponent, but also when.
Honestly I don't see any of this as work for the Senate. It is dead on arrival no matter what the House does. The Senate was threatening to just simply dismiss it outright.
My question is, can the prosecutors be called upon to testify? I'd really like to see Schiff under oath...…………
Rams
The simple answer is yes. I have learned from this circus that ANYTHING goes. It is not a Court of Law. They can make their own rules and brake them as they please. The could even call Trump or nancy.
Honestly I don't see any of this as work for the Senate. It is dead on arrival no matter what the House does. The Senate was threatening to just simply dismiss it outright.
Hard to hold a conversation on the internet.
Certain Democratic Presidential hopefuls will be affected by the process in and of itself. Sanders for one could be placed in a position for Biden to gain ground simply by where one needs to physically be at any moment in time.
Honestly I don't see any of this as work for the Senate. It is dead on arrival no matter what the House does. The Senate was threatening to just simply dismiss it outright.
Doesn't have too, the goal is to keep it in the news and public's ears. as long as she can. The old tell a lie enough times, thing. Jury of public opinion, She is doing this to try to get the swing voters on their side. She knows it is DOA as soon as it leaves the house, and why it won't be for a while. To her, the longer it is in the news the better.
This Lev Parnas was just interviewed on-air, on a certain known (maybe not well known) TV network. A TV network where one of the daytime anchors, the other day, said "It's Nancy Pelosi's world, and we just live in it."
He (Lev Parnas) made some references to the "Veep"... Mike Pence.
There's this "multiple worlds" theory that still gets talked about in the Science section, in relation to Quantum Physics and Cosmology. So there "could" be a kind of parallel world where both President Trump and the Vice President Pence are impeached and removed from office, and voila... President Nancy Pelosi.
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If I wanted to, I could (probably) produce a screen image from this forum where I speculated on the possibility of a "double play" that would "force out" both the President and the Vice President in this way. But then, it would have led to President Paul Ryan (anyone remember him?)
"Tinker to Evers to Chance." In the earliest years of the 20th century, the Chicago Cubs were a National League dynasty, and their double play "combo" of shortstop Joe Tinker, second baseman Johnny Evers and first baseman Frank Chance were memorialized in verse, under the title "Baseball's Sad Lexicon."
That was early on, during or during the run-up to the Mueller investigation. Maybe when the first "clues" started to emerge in the New York Times and the Washington Post during the "24 Days of National Security Advisor Mike Flynn." At the beginning of 2017.
You could say that the President crossed the line--or came close to crossing the line--when he tried to "Lev-erage" the powers of his office for [fill in the blank.]
If aid to Ukraine did not flow It must have been a Quid Pro Quo
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Or not.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. I didn't come here to be "real." Not tonight, anyway.
"PS" Where is this forum member?
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Long time (lately), no see.
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Doesn't have too, the goal is to keep it in the news and public's ears. as long as she can. The old tell a lie enough times, thing. Jury of public opinion, She is doing this to try to get the swing voters on their side. She knows it is DOA as soon as it leaves the house, and why it won't be for a while. To her, the longer it is in the news the better.
Agreed. It's all about those swing voters and the Dems trying to get them to cross over. Now, she will always say she tried to do something about that evil DJT. This has become one of those never ending dramas. It appears that Days of Our Lives has a few fans within the Dem leadership. I sincerely hope her district wakes up and sends her packing but, the chances are greater that SF will drop off into the Pacific first.
Rams
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Picking up here again, from where I stopped last night... what was that, anyway? A "weak side (t)rollout"..? There was some confusion in the backfield right after the snap.
Back in the year 2020, during what became known as the "Ukraine-gate" episode, the Government Accountability Office, described as a nonpartisan watchdog kind of agency that reported to Congress, issued a finding that President Donald Trump and his administration had violated a stricture about federal budget expenditures that had been a part of so-called "black letter" federal law since 1974.
What is the Impoundment Control Act?
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