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Is it possible that Betelgeuse had already gone supernova but... by maryjane
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... the light from the explosion hasn't reached Earth yet?

betelgeuse betelgeuse betelgeuse............


(we are said by many to be 640 light year from that star.)
640years ago would be somewhere around Earth year 1376 AD.

Stuff to think about..

(for them that don't get out very often https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betelgeuse )


Why the question?

https://www.sciencealert.co...star-is-about-to-pop

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The concept of time as described by Hawking in the beginning of "A Brief History of Time" (event horizon, light cone, etc.) greatly enhanced my understanding of reality.

It is astounding, mind expanding (if you will) to contemplate the mechanics of the universe as it really is.
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Originally posted by maryjane:

Stuff to think about..

(for them that don't get out very often https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betelgeuse )



I see and noted what you did there.

Yes is the answer.
 
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The story starts, as all good astronomy and space stories seem to, on Friday night going into a holiday weekend.
We started seeing discussion on Betelgeuse trending on social media on the evening of Friday, December 20th, and dug down to the source of the excitement: a December 8th paper on "The Fainting of the Nearby Red Supergiant Betelgeuse" by researchers at Villanova University.


Seriously, who hasn't had discussions like this? I get drawn into these discussions all the time. Normally between the first and second helpings of dessert.
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Report this Post12-28-2019 04:27 PM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Duh.

Astronomy is a study of the past......
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Originally posted by maryjane:

Betelgeuse Looks Fainter Than Usual

"What would a supernova in Orion look like? ...100 times brighter than Venus, making it easily visible in the daytime sky... would also easily cast noticeable nighttime shadows.

Such an occurrence would be bittersweet: we would be extraordinarily lucky to see Betelgeuse go supernova in our lifetime… but familiar Orion the Hunter would never look the same again."



Sacrificing one of Orion's shoulders would be well worth the show!

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Report this Post12-29-2019 12:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageSend a Private Message to BlacktreeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Just a note: Betelgeuse is a variable star. So dimming isn't anything new. However, the amount of dimming is pretty significant this time.

From what I've read so far, dimming doesn't necessarily correlate with supernova activity. But it doesn't rule out the possibility of a supernova, either. At this very moment, Betelgeuse could be alive or dead. We won't know for another ~642 years, when the light eventually makes its way to us.
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Originally posted by Blacktree:

At this very moment, Betelgeuse could be alive or dead. We won't know for another ~642 years, when the light eventually makes its way to us.


If Betelgeuse went supernova 641 years, 11 months and 3 weeks ago... we'll know in a few days!

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Report this Post12-29-2019 06:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Yeah,give or take a few years...decades or even centuries.
There is no fully proven distance from here to there. Scientists generally use 640 LY but it could be as much as (approx) 708LY or as 'little' as 600 light years and some scientists believe it is even much farther away.

The VLA radio telescope (Very Large Array) produced a solution of 643±146 ly; and although this value has a 22% error, the accepted distance is "approximately" 642 light-years.

One of those "we really just don't know" things.

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Originally posted by maryjane:

One of those "we really just don't know" things.



Whoa, you just described every single moment that ever existed in Human history.
Maybe that's what "progress" really is.

Distillation...
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Originally posted by Boondawg:

Maybe that's what "progress" really is.

Distillation...



Scotch drinkers would probably agree. (To me it tastes like gasoline.)

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