A radio station here reported that China had a case of someone reinfected, that would be after they tested negative they got it again. Not sure how normal that is, if the news is even real, or if China can be counted on to test or report properly.
You have GOT to be the sole living thing on this continent that would have to look up the captain Tripps reference. It springs up for every single outbreak of anything for the past 30 years.
General health, age and pre-existing conditions/risk factors will play the biggest role in determining how many end up dead no matter which nation it is. Among the highest influencers for death in regards to Covid-19 is high blood pressure. About 30% of all Americans (103 million) have hypertension/high blood pressure. Add diabetes or COPD or congestive heart failure to the mix and the odds are really stacked against ya, and these factors will be much bigger than whether one has the ability to get medical care for 'free' or not. About 17% of Canadians have high blood pressure.
If what you say is true Don (and I don't doubt it is), the US could be in trouble. I've been to a Walmart in the States... and observed the clientele.
I took a little spray bottle of alcohol with me yesterday when I went to Walmart, and sprayed down the handle and top part of the shopping cart. Overkill...maybe. But I am well acquainted with some pretty nasty pathogens from my cattle experiences...usuallyy bacterial tho, and well known bacteria ..mostly e-coli. I wear shoulder length OB gloves, full plexi face covering and surgical mask if I have to do any work around the rear end of one, especially this time of year when the grass is just beginning to green up and grow..It's mostly water and causes the cows to have runny green poop. EColi is nasty stuff. Staph is also a constant concern in my line of endeavor, as I'm always getting minor scratches or cuts. Many billions of Ecoli cells laying around in this picture. Since she died suddenly with no obvious cause, with a lot of post mortem bleeding from eyes, rectum and vulva when we picked her up, I was extra careful when dealing with her and buried all the loose soil and feces with her.
The key to how bad it is going to be here in the US and in Canada is how many cases do the doctors and hospitals have to deal with at once. There is a certain percentage of people who when they catch this disease will have a serious form of it. A lot of that depends on the age of the patient. The older you are the more serious it seems to be. Add in preexisting conditions to make that risk even worse. The patients that get the serious form of the virus need medical support. A lot of that means they have pneumonia and have trouble breathing and getting enough oxygen into their blood stream to sustain them. They then need respirators and there is a finite number of them available. If the hospitals get overwhelmed with severe cases needing these respirators or ventilators then they have to make decisions as to who gets treated with what.
Right now in Italy that is where they are. I have a friend whose daughter is a doctor in Italy. They are overwhelmed with severe symptom patients. They do not have enough respirators or ventilators to go around. So they need to Triage or chose who gets the respirators. Literally they are choosing who lives and who dies. It is affecting these doctors and other health care professionals as they have to make these life and death decisions. How would you deal with having to watch someone die, who could be treated in normal circumstances, but they currently don't have enough equipment to save their lives?
We in the US are fortunate that we do not have these extreme pockets of outbreak. At least not yet. Some of it is luck. Some of it is because President Trump shut down the travel into the US from China shortly after the outbreak started. But, I doubt that we will be able to contain it forever. The best we can hope for is to have a rate of transmission slowly rise so we don't overwhelm the hospitals and doctors.
The reason I say we cannot or will not be able to contain it forever, is because of the attributes of this disease. It doesn't show up in the patients right away, yet they can still have the virus and transmit it to others for as much as 2 weeks. It seems to be extremely easy to transmit, even now we have reports that it can survive in the air for as long as 3 hours and maybe even days on surfaces like door knobs and counter tops.
Seeing the challenges we face with this it is incumbent on us as individuals to take as much in the way of precautions as possible. As extreme as it seems shutting down or delaying large gathering events is prudent. Staying away from other people is prudent. Washing your hands with soap and water is prudent. If you feel sick don't go out until you are cleared. Most of it is quite simple and easy. All of these things apply for the general public and if you are older or have other preexisting conditions take this to heart. I know I will.
Has anyone seen anything regarding research pertaining why Covid-19 doesn't seem to affect children very much? I find that a bit odd, all things considered.
Honestly, I'm not worried about it. I know if I get infected (which I someone hope I do), I will recover just fine and then will be immune to it.
It's a respiratory virus, from my understanding. If you are old, have health issues such as diabetes and high blood pressure, and especially if you are a smoker, then this virus is bad news.
Be careful what you wish for. It has been reported that even after recovery it is possible to catch it again.
I find it absurd to think that something has been able to travel this far only because people aren't washing their hands (they would have to still not be washing their hands.) and touching their face.
Originally posted by maryjane: Has anyone seen anything regarding research pertaining why Covid-19 doesn't seem to affect children very much? I find that a bit odd, all things considered. .
The coffee shop speculation here is that it is latching onto*something* in our systems that takes years to build up. The children haven't been around long enough to build up a level of whatever that is.
Given the different infection rates in different cultures we are guessing something diet related.
Either that or it was designed to do that to clean out the old farts so the world's governments and mega-corporations can get out of paying pensions.
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This is all part of the "Climate Change Initiative". They want the human impact on Mother Earth to slow down, so little Greta got together with some shady scientist, they make a virus to rid the earth of us pesky humans. Greta says think of the children, we need to save the planet for them. Shady scientist says ok, we target the adults of a certain age and health, wa la, COVID-19 is created, and unleashed on the unsuspecting civilized countries of the world. Panic starts, borders shut, trips canceled, airlines drop routes, economy slows. Greta has won, CO2 footprints shrink, the rain forest grows again, drought has ended, everyone under the age of 30 is ecstatic they have saved the world from those evil boomers, and Bernie comes through it all unscathed and inherits the Whitehouse with the massive youth movement at the poll's.
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sorry thought the thread needed a little levity after 17 pages and that picture MaryJane put up of a cow bleeding out it's butt, (sorry the cow died).
And no link yet just a banner ad buy we have 17 new cases today, including a baby boy. It was from global news so they will have a proper article later.
early adopter or something no idea from where I could have caught it I mostly stayed in miami but did a few trips to the west coast of fla in the 2-3 weeks before I got sick I did go to a marine swap meet and normal garage sales no out of country but the house across the street is full of Vietnamese
symptoms bad body aches and pain worse then the flu fever and chills very bad bad cough lungs hurt gut was ok no runs or throw ups but did not want to eat lost about 15 lbs very low energy just wanted to sit or lie down
major diff from flu was NO running nose NO sore throat at all all the above close match to reported cv-19 symptoms minor hick-cups very often only other effect but that maybe just me
I was down for about 10 days and weak for a few weeks after the aches and fever stopped
no tests just stayed at home wife had very minor symptoms my two kids who live at home did NOT get sick
recently tryed to get a anti-body test to check if I had cv-19 but NO test available for that in the USA [china has one] not the live/active virus test that they do have and use here as I no longer have the bug after over 6 weeks time so no point in the live test so only the anti-body test was what I wanted to check if I had cv-19
did have recent blood test last week and check up and I am in good general health
posting now as the prospect of enforced Q at a military base is over now with standard procedure to Q at home what I basically did
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The funny thing is, people have been buying out toilet paper and water, but not stocking up on extra food (based on what I’ve seen at Costco and the grocery store). If they run out of food, what will they need toilet paper for if they have no food to s***??
The key to how bad it is going to be here in the US and in Canada is how many cases do the doctors and hospitals have to deal with at once.
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In addition to that, I heard a report that if a healthcare professional thinks they may have been exposed to it, they are to quarantine for 2 weeks. It might not take long for a lot of healthcare workers to be sitting on a 2 week wait hoping the next test is still negative.
This is all part of the "Climate Change Initiative". They want the human impact on Mother Earth to slow down, so little Greta got together with some shady scientist, they make a virus to rid the earth of us pesky humans. Greta says think of the children, we need to save the planet for them. Shady scientist says ok, we target the adults of a certain age and health, wa la, COVID-19 is created, and unleashed on the unsuspecting civilized countries of the world. Panic starts, borders shut, trips canceled, airlines drop routes, economy slows. Greta has won, CO2 footprints shrink, the rain forest grows again, drought has ended....
Hey, that was all fine and dandy... but now they've gone too damn far!!!
Just announced here in British Columbia... any travel outside of Canada (including to the USA) will require 14 days of quarantine upon arrival back in BC.
Just announced here in British Columbia... any travel outside of Canada (including to the USA) will require 14 days of quarantine upon arrival back in BC.
I can certainly understand this. Especially with the proximity of BC to Washington State which is one of the hot spots in the US. It does make sense. Too bad some of the Democrats in the US can't get it through their head that it is best for the US to keep anyone who could possibly have the disease out of our country too.
The funny thing is, people have been buying out toilet paper and water, but not stocking up on extra food (based on what I’ve seen at Costco and the grocery store). If they run out of food, what will they need toilet paper for if they have no food to s***??
People at Sams Club today were buying every drop of bottled water and every scrap of toilet paper they could grab.
I asked one young guy with 2 full carts why all the bottled water.
He said: "In case they turn off the water!"
I replied: "If that happens don't you think all that toilet paper you have there is going to be sort of a problem?"
I asked someone today about the Toilet Paper. He said because it was all made in China, and we weren't getting anymore shipments. I'm not sure where these people are getting this info.
I have picked up at the TP plants here in the US. We're making our own paper, they would likely lose money shipping the stuff for as much room as it takes up and as little as it costs.
I find it absurd to think that something has been able to travel this far only because people aren't washing their hands (they would have to still not be washing their hands.) and touching their face.
I don't know of anyone that thinks that. But then again, it does help to wash your hands and keep them off your face.
I replied: "If that happens don't you think all that toilet paper you have there is going to be sort of a problem?"
The look on his face was priceless.
Not in my world. There hasn't been anything made of paper flushed down my toilet since we built the place in 2008. Only way 'they' can turn my water off is if they cut the power lines, and then, they have to wait for me to run out of fuel for my genset.
I would like to advocate the idea that this virus is incredibly dangerous.... but to the elderly. If it has killed this many people at one nursing home, I believe it could become a blood bath in our nursing homes throughout the country. Yes, us younger people will probably be fine. The advanced agers will be wiped out... we need to be very careful for the advanced age population.
