City Boy... It's quite common in rural America for anyone that has or has had a septic system or aerobic wastewater treatment plant. Neither of those units can handle paper products. The used toilet paper simply goes in a small trash bag lined trash can near the toilet and it's closed& tied up and is taken outside & burned when necessary, or thrown still bagged up into the larger household garbage and taken to the trash collection point.
(no, contrary to what many might think, there is no odor in the bathroom from the used paper)
I'll have you know that I've had plenty of experience using an outhouse, and the paper just goes down the hole along with everything else. No muss, no fuss.
And here's the view from that aforementioned outhouse. Gawd, I love those trees!
But (butt?) back to the septic system... I've known several people living in rural areas just outside of Vancouver, and they simply flushed the TP. That's why I was surprised that you didn't.
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An outhouse is a lot different than an indoor toilet that empties into facility that can't handle paper. We had an outhouse at a weekend home we had many decades ago. Had an awful smell to it, you could see the maggots down below and ya had to beat the spiders and wasps off before you sat down and hoped there wasn't a venomous serpent coiled up in the corner. In Vietnam, we had 'multi-hole' outhouses. The poop fell into 1/2 55 gallon drums and about every other day, someone would have to come along with a truck, drag out the cut drums full of feces and pour about 4 gallons of diesel in the drum and set it afire. Had to keep it stirred so it would all burn. Worst job..and smell in the world too.
I assume they still do it the same way today in Iraq and Afghanistan. (some paper is approved for a classic one compartment septic tank but no 2 or 3 compartment aerobic system that I know of will handle toilet paper..they have pumps and aerators in them that would plug up with paper and the paper could collect on the floats that tell the electronics when to kick the pumps on. I have an aerobic wastewater treatment system because I live in a flood plain) This one:
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... and ya had to beat the spiders and wasps off before you sat down and hoped there wasn't a venomous serpent coiled up in the corner.
This won't be nearly as interesting as your post (seriously, it was quite informative!), but the quote above reminds me of one of my trips up the coast (where the outhouse is located) about 20 years ago. I was finding small piles of feces scattered around the woods near the house. I asked my girlfriend's kids, who were quite young at the time, if they knew anything about it. They blamed the dog. I couldn't prove otherwise... until one day I again found fresh feces, but this pile had easily visible corn in it! I knew damn well the dog hadn't eaten corn on the cob with us the previous evening. I confronted the kids with the evidence, and the boy finally admitted that he was scared of the spiders down the hole in the outhouse.
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Originally posted by maryjane: Not in my world. There hasn't been anything made of paper flushed down my toilet since we built the place in 2008. Only way 'they' can turn my water off is if they cut the power lines, and then, they have to wait for me to run out of fuel for my genset.
What are the products that could be made from--"of"--paper flushed down a toilet? Are there any completely new such products? As for already existing products, would making them from paper flushed down a toilet cost out as price-competitive, vs the more traditional methods and sourcing that are already being used; i.e., using one of the "never flushed" grades of paper that are already manufactured in volume by virgin or recycled paper mills?
Just playing "Devil's Advocate." Maybe there's an opening here for "greener" products that would move society in a more Thunberg or AOC-friendly direction.
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In Vietnam, we had 'multi-hole' outhouses. The poop fell into 1/2 55 gallon drums and about every other day, someone would have to come along with a truck, drag out the cut drums full of feces and pour about 4 gallons of diesel in the drum and set it afire. Had to keep it stirred so it would all burn. Worst job..and smell in the world too.
The modern-day equivalent to that job is the guy who drives the pump truck who has to suck out the poop and urine from the the port-o-johns (or "shitters") at construction sites and other events. Get caught downwind while that is going on and you'll about puke! Maybe going back to the burning diesel fuel would be a good idea.
This one came across one of my Facebook groups this morning. Take it as you will.
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I am writing to you from Bergamo, Italy, at the heart of the coronavirus crisis. The news media in the US has not captured the severity of what is happening here. I am writing this post because each of you, today, not the government, not the school district, not the mayor, each individual citizen has the chance, today to take actions that will deter the Italian situation from becoming your own country’s reality. The only way to stop this virus is to limit contagion. And the only way to limit contagion is for millions of people to change their behavior today.
If you are in Europe or the US you are weeks away from where we are today in Italy.
I can hear you now. “It’s just a flu. It only affects old people with preconditions”
There are 2 reasons why Coronavirus has brought Italy to it’s knees. First it is a flu is devastating when people get really sick they need weeks of ICU – and, second, because of how fast and effectively it spreads. There is 2 week incubation period and many who have it never show symptoms.
When Prime Minister Conte announced last night that the entire country, 60 million people, would go on lock down, the line that struck me most was “there is no more time.” Because to be clear, this national lock down, is a hail mary. What he means is that if the numbers of contagion do not start to go down, the system, Italy, will collapse.
Why? Today the ICUs in Lombardy are at capacity – more than capacity. They have begun to put ICU units in the hallways. If the numbers do not go down, the growth rate of contagion tells us that there will be thousands of people who in a matter of a week? two weeks? who will need care. What will happen when there are 100, or a 1000 people who need the hospital and only a few ICU places left?
On Monday a doctor wrote in the paper that they have begun to have to decide who lives and who dies when the patients show up in the emergency room, like what is done in war. This will only get worse.
There are a finite number of drs, nurses, medical staff and they are getting the virus. They have also been working non-stop, non-stop for days and days. What happens when the drs, nurses and medical staff are simply not able to care for the patients, when they are not there?
And finally for those who say that this is just something that happens to old people, starting yesterday the hospitals are reporting that younger and younger patients – 40, 45, 18, are coming in for treatment.
You have a chance to make a difference and stop the spread in your country. Push for the entire office to work at home today, cancel birthday parties, and other gatherings, stay home as much as you can. If you have a fever, any fever, stay home. Push for school closures, now. Anything you can do to stop the spread, because it is spreading in your communities – there is a two week incubation period – and if you do these things now you can buy your medical system time.
And for those who say it is not possible to close the schools, and do all these other things, locking down Italy was beyond anyone’s imagination a week ago.
Soon you will not have a choice, so do what you can now.
Ray, according to this morning's map Fla no longer shows to have any covid-19 patients. Have they recovered?
It's been one of my concerns. There was/is a patient around the 1st week of Feb that was admitted to the Lackland AFB military hospital. He has not yet recovered tho I believe the USA's very first case in Washington (Jan 19) did recover tho all I can really find on it was that as of Jan 30, he was still hospitalized. https://www.nejm.org/doi/fu...0.1056/NEJMoa2001191
US now has 1,268 confirmed cases. According to the John Hopkins website, only 6 have recovered. 33 have died.
early adopter or something no idea from where I could have caught it I mostly stayed in miami but did a few trips to the west coast of fla in the 2-3 weeks before I got sick I did go to a marine swap meet and normal garage sales no out of country but the house across the street is full of Vietnamese
symptoms bad body aches and pain worse then the flu fever and chills very bad bad cough lungs hurt gut was ok no runs or throw ups but did not want to eat lost about 15 lbs very low energy just wanted to sit or lie down
major diff from flu was NO running nose NO sore throat at all all the above close match to reported cv-19 symptoms minor hick-cups very often only other effect but that maybe just me
I was down for about 10 days and weak for a few weeks after the aches and fever stopped
no tests just stayed at home wife had very minor symptoms my two kids who live at home did NOT get sick
recently tryed to get a anti-body test to check if I had cv-19 but NO test available for that in the USA [china has one] not the live/active virus test that they do have and use here as I no longer have the bug after over 6 weeks time so no point in the live test so only the anti-body test was what I wanted to check if I had cv-19
did have recent blood test last week and check up and I am in good general health
posting now as the prospect of enforced Q at a military base is over now with standard procedure to Q at home what I basically did
The wife and I were talking about this the other day.
Most of her family, as well as most of my family, were also sick around the beginning- middle of January.
My Father in Law, after being sick for over a week was diagnosed with Pneumonia. My Mother-in-Law had a cough she couldn't get rid of for about two weeks. Our local friends had similar things going on. Nobody was really "sick", except my FIL (He's in his 70's.) Mom and my wife were both tested for the Flu, and both tested negative, but the doctor (Small town, same doc.) said it was common for it to be wrong, and gave Mom Tamiflu. My wife got nothing as she was on other stuff already as I recall. (And she likes that naturalist mumbo jumbo)
City Boy... It's quite common in rural America for anyone that has or has had a septic system or aerobic wastewater treatment plant. Neither of those units can handle paper products. The used toilet paper simply goes in a small trash bag lined trash can near the toilet and it's closed& tied up and is taken outside & burned when necessary, or thrown still bagged up into the larger household garbage and taken to the trash collection point.
(no, contrary to what many might think, there is no odor in the bathroom from the used paper)
Our current septic tank will not handle paper at all, but the tank at our new house will. (according to the installers.)
But, in its defense, our current septic was hand built in the 70's and needs replaced. It has to be pumped every few years.
Take care. Honestly. Now is not the time for me to treat you like shat.
Amazing. You are such an incredible self-grandising little douche-bag that you have no idea how absolutely despicable that statement actually is.
You really are just a simple-minded little worm whom can’t even seem to fake being a bully convincingly.
You are without a doubt the most voluminous amount of nothing I have ever seen in a single-serving package.
If you can manage with your limited mental abilities to scrounge-up an ounce or so of intellect above that of an insect, you might want to try and evolve.
Here, I can help. Anytime you think you have something human to say, just STFU. You don’t. You’re a worm.
P.S. This is in no way meant to be degrading to worms.
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Amazing. You are such an incredible self-grandising little douche-bag that you have no idea how absolutely despicable that statement actually is.
You really are just a simple-minded little worm whom can’t even seem to fake being a bully convincingly.
You are without a doubt the most voluminous amount of nothing I have ever seen in a single-serving package.
If you can manage with your limited mental abilities to scrounge-up an ounce or so of intellect above that of an insect, you might want to try and evolve.
Here, I can help. Anytime you think you have something human to say, just STFU. You don’t. You’re a worm.
P.S. This is in no way meant to be degrading to worms. Click to show
Sorry that you feel that way. Is there anything that I could do to change your mind?
One, I was not speaking to you, and two, I do believe that you broke your New Years resolution because of little ol' me?
Take care. Times call for being kind. You choose your path, and I will take mine.
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Just announced here in British Columbia... any travel outside of Canada (including to the USA) will require 14 days of quarantine upon arrival back in BC.
That's the smartest move by a government yet. Don't wait until the numbers mount, your services are overwhelmed and it's too late. And forget the 1 or 2 time forehead fever scan.
My question is how will they handle the quarantine? Will there be quarantine facilities at every crossing???
I hope it's not self quarantine?
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I just reread the quoted text. This is for Canadians returning from outside the county, correct? What about non-resident entry? Are they going to close the border?
I suspect it may indeed be self quarantine, but with call ins required every day and maybe at home checks by some official authority to make sure you are there.
I don't remember now whaich area here in the US was already doing it, but there was a pretty significant fine for breaking self quarantine as well. Denver maybe...I think I posted the text of the order on one of the previous pages. .. Yep..Denver.
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9NEWS: How long does the quarantine last?
Zimmerman: When we’re looking at COVID-19 specifically, we know the incubation is between two and 14 days. When we look at someone who could have been exposed, we take the exposure date and add 14 days. That’s how long the quarantine is.
9NEWS: How are the quarantines enforced?
Zimmerman: We do daily check-ins. We don’t go physically all the time, it depends on the level. If they are calling us and reporting their temperature and whatever symptoms they’re supposed to log, we can touch base with them and say, 'hey, were you able to stay in today, did you do anything you weren’t supposed to?' So it is a little on the honor system.
9NEWS: Is there a penalty if people don't obey them?
Zimmerman: People can be subject to up to 300 days in jail or a fine. If they don’t comply.
9NEWS: Can people say no to a quarantine?
Zimmerman: Since it is going through the city, there is an appeals process. We haven’t had that happen yet. We allow people to say no and it would go before a judge.
9NEWS: Are people quarantined at home or at a hospital?
Zimmerman: Often, quarantines are at home because they are asymptomatic so they don’t actually need any medical care. When we’re talking about isolation, same thing. If they can manage their own symptoms they stay at home in isolation. If they need to be hospitalized, then they stay in isolation there.
Here are the rules for the quarantines released by the DDPHE:
You shall be confined to your home and shall not attend any public gathering, provided no symptoms of illness develop in the interim. You are not allowed to attend childcare, school, or work, provided no symptoms of illness develop in the interim. You may not use public transportation. You may not have visitors at the home unless they are determined by DDPHE to be adequately protected and have an essential need to be in the home; this is in effect until termination of these quarantine orders. DDPHE staff will contact you daily, with possible in-home visits as necessary, to monitor your health. You shall monitor your health, including logging and reporting to public health daily the following signs and symptoms: Fever. Take and log temperature twice daily, once in the morning and once in the evening Cough Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing. Chills, body aches, sore throat, headache, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, runny nose
ROTTERDAM - Scientists from Erasmus MC and Utrecht University claim the discovery of an antibody against Covid-19. The scientific publication of the group of ten scientists is ready for assessment by the leading journal Nature, reports Erasmus Magazine, which calls the discovery a world first.
"The antibody prevents the virus from being able to infect and can also help detect the virus," says professor of cell biology Frank Grosveld, one of the discoverers on behalf of Erasmus MC. "We are now trying to get a pharmaceutical on board - which looks good, by the way - that can produce the antibody on a large scale as a medicine."
The article with findings from the scientists was already published on Thursday on a website called BioRxiv, on which biologists can publish their research and to which colleagues can respond. The summary speaks of an antibody to SARS2, the coronavirus causing the current Covid-19 pandemic.
Testing takes months
The antibody can help detect and prevent this type of corona infection. According to Erasmus Magazine, the antibody has yet to be tested on humans, a process that takes months.
In the article, Grosveld says that he and his fellow researchers had already isolated an antibody before the current pandemic. “From the previous study, we still had untested antibodies in the refrigerator that did not react with all three mutations, but with SARS1. When the current crisis - SARS2 - broke out, we immediately tested whether the antibodies that reacted with SARS1 also respond to SARS2 and found the antibody that has now been published.”
Grosveld says that in addition to developing the drug, the antibody can also be used to set up a diagnostic test. "One that everyone can do at home so that people can easily know whether they have an infection or not."
Important step in drug development
The invention is especially important for making a medicine, says Grosveld. "If you were to take this as a patient, it is expected - and that is only an expectation - that the infection can be stopped in the patient." According to him, a real solution is a vaccine. "Others are working on that. However, developing a vaccine can easily take two years. The medicine of us, if it all works, is there sooner.”
And that's how it's going to go. City by city via executive order and the bylaws of the corporation of the city of screw you. Just a simple matter of tweaking the business licencing bylaws.
ROTTERDAM - Scientists from Erasmus MC and Utrecht University claim the discovery of an antibody against Covid-19. The scientific publication of the group of ten scientists is ready for assessment by the leading journal Nature, reports Erasmus Magazine, which calls the discovery a world first.
"The antibody prevents the virus from being able to infect and can also help detect the virus," says professor of cell biology Frank Grosveld, one of the discoverers on behalf of Erasmus MC. "We are now trying to get a pharmaceutical on board - which looks good, by the way - that can produce the antibody on a large scale as a medicine."
The article with findings from the scientists was already published on Thursday on a website called BioRxiv, on which biologists can publish their research and to which colleagues can respond. The summary speaks of an antibody to SARS2, the coronavirus causing the current Covid-19 pandemic.
Testing takes months
The antibody can help detect and prevent this type of corona infection. According to Erasmus Magazine, the antibody has yet to be tested on humans, a process that takes months.
In the article, Grosveld says that he and his fellow researchers had already isolated an antibody before the current pandemic. “From the previous study, we still had untested antibodies in the refrigerator that did not react with all three mutations, but with SARS1. When the current crisis - SARS2 - broke out, we immediately tested whether the antibodies that reacted with SARS1 also respond to SARS2 and found the antibody that has now been published.”
Grosveld says that in addition to developing the drug, the antibody can also be used to set up a diagnostic test. "One that everyone can do at home so that people can easily know whether they have an infection or not."
Important step in drug development
The invention is especially important for making a medicine, says Grosveld. "If you were to take this as a patient, it is expected - and that is only an expectation - that the infection can be stopped in the patient." According to him, a real solution is a vaccine. "Others are working on that. However, developing a vaccine can easily take two years. The medicine of us, if it all works, is there sooner.”
Thank you for the article. A home test would be a big plus! What is it like in Europe right now?
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I knew damn well the dog hadn't eaten corn on the cob with us the previous evening. 
I confronted the kids with the evidence, and the boy finally admitted that he was scared of the spiders down the hole in the outhouse. 
