The Democrats are demanding Mail In Ballots for the upcoming election.
Some states already are doing it. I'm curious where the majority of our US Citizen members stand on this.
We're not talking about Absentee Voting ballots here.

The way I view it is, there is so much opportunity for fraudulent votes, I have a hard time supporting it.
I think I've come to an opinion on how to do it but, my way would put a heavy burden on the US Postal System.

For those who can and do give a damn enough to actually vote, please advise and post your opinion on mail in voting and how it could be done with integrity.

Rams

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Unless there is a damned good reason why he cannot, a voter should show up at the polls and present an approved ID.

More than anything else, I am worried about voter fraud. The fact that the left is so vehemently opposed to anything that could protect against fraud is telling.

Personally, I look forward to going to vote. The poll workers think I'm crazy, but I walk in with a big smile and a cheerful "Good Morning!", then proudly display my sticker.

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Many mail-in ballots are thrown out, due to technicality. Someone forgets to put a signature or address or not on the voter rolls and etc.

Fraud is a Democrat specialty (ends justifies the means). It is the best of both worlds for them. Add those that count and throw out the ones that don't vote for them, but saying it was disqualified, because they couldn't figure out if you wrote a 7 or a 2 on the address bar.


That is why they are pushing hard.

I will be doing my best to show up at the poles and cast my vote.
Its all in how CA handles the poles, if they make it impossible to go to the poles then I wont have much choice.

I expect that CA will have very few voting stations open and mail in will be the only option in some counties.
It sucks, but I really don't want to go stand in line with people that have no idea how to deal with being in public during a pandemic at a one of the few polling stations that are open.

I feel I will not have very many options.
At some point I hope that the up coming election and the last four years are reviewed and those that have put their agenda above the people they have took an oath to serve are brought to justice.

There is just too much we have to get rid of Trump at all cost, at least in the state I am living in.

In person - valid picture ID - must register to vote 3 months prior to the primaries

Absentee voting only with good reason, arranged in advance, with picture ID, valid voter registration and witnessed by the issuing officer of the election.

Mail in voting will be in our future, but the system must be carefully designed with multiple safeguards designed in to prevent fraud. This system is too important to rush into at the 11th hour.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: Many mail-in ballots are thrown out, due to technicality. Fraud is a Democrat specialty (ends justifies the means). It is the best of both worlds for them. Add those that count and throw out the ones that don't vote for them ... That is why they are pushing hard.

Telling is that now, all of a sudden, the Dumbs are pushing for money for the US Post Office.

quote Originally posted by blackrams: For those who can and do give a damn enough to actually vote, please advise and post your opinion on mail in voting and how it could be done with integrity.

Mail in voting ? That would eliminate the many voter ID states from certifying an election. Even though the Dumbs claim that is racist. No matter that everyone needs one for everyday life.

How 'bout this ? Sign your ballots with a thumbprint. I used to do it for my bank, as ID. Voter fraudsters would be less inclinded to cheat as it is against the law, and ballots could be verified.

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If conditions are too bad to go out and vote, then we shouldn't vote. Postpone the elections.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: How 'bout this ? Sign your ballots with a thumbprint. I used to do it for my bank, as ID. Voter fraudsters would be less inclinded to cheat as it is against the law, and ballots could be verified.

I don't know that it would work but, sounds like a viable suggestion but I'd also add the requirement for notarization while placing that finger print on the ballot. The voter must provide an adequate ID to get that notarization.. The only other caveat should be that voter fraud should be a felony with significant jail time regardless of circumstances. Let it be known that if one does commit voter fraud or is an accomplice to it there will be room and board provided as long as you make enough big rocks into small rocks.

quote Originally posted by LitebulbwithaFiero: If conditions are too bad to go out and vote, then we shouldn't vote. Postpone the elections.

Can't see that happening unless someone turns loose some nucs on us. This Pandemic does not and would not qualify IMHO. YMMV

Rams

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We have used mail in ballots for the last few local and national elections without any problems.

This year we are going to fill out our mail in ballots, then we will take them to the court house and place them in the mail in ballot box.

Won't have any problems with mail, nor have to wait in lines to cast a vote.

quote Originally posted by CoolBlue87GT: We have used mail in ballots for the last few local and national elections without any problems. This year we are going to fill out our mail in ballots, then we will take them to the court house and place them in the mail in ballot box. Won't have any problems with mail, nor have to wait in lines to cast a vote.

Please enlighten me as to how votes are assured to be legitimate...……
How does one get a ballot and does anyone check to ensure that ballot is valid?
Are voter rolls check against each ballot cast?

I'm curious how fraud is avoided. Thanks in advance.

Rams

Can I cast 4 ballots ? I mean mail them in from here ? just 3 of them. and one from Idontgiveadamnastan ?

quote Originally posted by blackrams: Please enlighten me as to how votes are assured to be legitimate...…… How does one get a ballot and does anyone check to ensure that ballot is valid? Are voter rolls check against each ballot cast? I'm curious how fraud is avoided. Thanks in advance. Rams

I'm not an expert on the subject, so I can't answer all the questions. I know to request a ballot, you have to be a registered voter, submit an application with your information including driver license and other details. The signature on the ballot is matched to the one on file from the application.

Copied the following from our Board of elections website.

This information is for the November 3rd general election. For information on the August 18, 2020 state primary, check with the Florida election office. Election day is Tuesday, November 3, 2020. Florida allows any voter to request a ballot by mail. You can also vote in person. Florida offers early voting.

Vote by mail
1. Request your mail-in ballot with a mail ballot application.
2. Fill out the application completely.
3. Submit the request to your local election office. You should request your ballot as far in advance of the election as possible. The deadline to request a ballot by mail is (received by) Saturday, October 24, 2020.
4. When your ballot arrives, read it carefully and follow the instructions to complete it and return it.

Mass mail-in ballots through the U.S. Postal Service you say?

Don't be silly, what could possibly go wrong?



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quote Originally posted by CoolBlue87GT: I'm not an expert on the subject, so I can't answer all the questions. I know to request a ballot, you have to be a registered voter, submit an application with your information including driver license and other details. The signature on the ballot is matched to the one on file from the application. Copied the following from our Board of elections website. This information is for the November 3rd general election. For information on the August 18, 2020 state primary, check with the Florida election office. Election day is Tuesday, November 3, 2020. Florida allows any voter to request a ballot by mail. You can also vote in person. Florida offers early voting. Vote by mail 1. Request your mail-in ballot with a mail ballot application. 2. Fill out the application completely. 3. Submit the request to your local election office. You should request your ballot as far in advance of the election as possible. The deadline to request a ballot by mail is (received by) Saturday, October 24, 2020. 4. When your ballot arrives, read it carefully and follow the instructions to complete it and return it.

While every question isn't answered, I sincerely do appreciate the response.

Rams

Absentee ballots are different than mail in ballots. You need to show ID to get an absentee ballot. What is being proposed is a mass mailing to an address of people whether registered or not, living or dead. No ability to verify who voted and the ability to count the potential millions of votes. The NYS run in June still doesn't have a final count. There have been too many examples of lost ballots, pre marked ballots and squabbles over who sent that ballot in. It will be a mess and the democrats do enjoy living in a state of confusion. They probably still think Hillary won 2016. They are willing to modify or change the rules to get the results they want.

They close the bars and liquor stores on election day. If the Dems want early/mail-in voting, they should be willing to close all the bars and liquor stores from the time that the ballots go out, until the time they are all accounted for. How do ya like them apples?

I mean, it's only fair.

quote Originally posted by williegoat: They close the bars and liquor stores on election day. How do ya like them apples?

Will the brothels remain open, ?

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Will the brothels remain open, ?

Of course they will. Why would the Dems turn down an opportunity for the voters to get screwed?

quote Originally posted by otakudude: Of course they will. Why would the Dems turn down an opportunity for the voters to get screwed?

Never understood government unions. I thought unions were against capitalist?

Where is the evil capitalist in government?

quote Originally posted by Old Lar: Absentee ballots are different than mail in ballots. You need to show ID to get an absentee ballot. What is being proposed is a mass mailing to an address of people whether registered or not, living or dead. No ability to verify who voted and the ability to count the potential millions of votes. The NYS run in June still doesn't have a final count. There have been too many examples of lost ballots, pre marked ballots and squabbles over who sent that ballot in. It will be a mess and the democrats do enjoy living in a state of confusion. They probably still think Hillary won 2016. They are willing to modify or change the rules to get the results they want.

After putting some thought into this, I've come to the determination that a "Mass Mail In" is un-reasonable and un-necessary. Way too much opportunity for fraud. No, I do not trust Progressive or Liberal Democrats. If someone really doesn't want to go to a polling station and vote due to the Pandemic, then by all means ask for an Absentee Ballot. In some areas, that may be sufficient reason to get one.

I will vote in person, I will not vote for any fricking Liberal or Progressive regardless of party affiliation.
Thanks for opinions and comments.

Rams

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quote Originally posted by blackrams: Way too much opportunity for fraud. No, I do not trust Progressive or Liberal Democrats.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: Mail in voting will be in our future, but the system must be carefully designed with multiple safeguards designed in to prevent fraud. This system is too important to rush into at the 11th hour.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Telling is that now, all of a sudden, the Dumbs are pushing for money for the US Post Office.

What good would all the new post office money be ? We would have an army of new workers who have no experience.

If you can go to the grocery store you can vote in person.

The line that formed, waiting to enter a voting station during the June 2020 primary election in Georgia.

Just like lining up to enter a grocery store or supermarket.

NOT.

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"It’s not the first time that Dr. Anthony Fauci has made this argument, but maybe it will be the first time it will break through the political/media noise over mail-in voting."

https://hotair.com/archives...-safely-vote-person/

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quote Originally posted by randye: "It’s not the first time that Dr. Anthony Fauci has made this argument, but maybe it will be the first time it will break through the political/media noise over mail-in voting." https://hotair.com/archives...-safely-vote-person/

I wouldn't bet on it. Every network but Fox leans left, some more than others. I also doubt it'll make much more than the back page in most of the newspapers.
All I really want is the facts without a spin, left or right and that ain't easy to find.

Rams

Think of it as a protest. You didn’t seem to mind those rinselberg.

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quote Originally posted by Hudini: Think of it as a protest. You didn’t seem to mind those rinselberg.

I never used this forum to condone any of the violence or property damage. But on the whole, I look back with positive feelings about my turning on the TV or going online and witnessing the protests and the reporting of the protests. Better than if there had not been protests.

Even so, what would be good or desirable about having queues of in-person voters, adding to the virus transmission possibilities over and above the protests that were going on and in some places are still going on?

And there's more than just the virus. That photograph that I just posted, from the June primary elections in Georgia, is an expression of the "wholesomeness" of Voting By Mail, virus or not.

That's a long line of people waiting to vote. I don't want to see the vagaries of uncomfortable or even hazardous weather conditions getting in the way of people exercising their franchise by voting. On top of the general inconvenience of having to leave one's home or workplace and waiting in line to vote.

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Vote by mail is ripe for abuse. Especially with nefarious NGOs stuffing ballot boxes. Just remember it cuts both ways.

I doubt that Voting In Person is any more reliable.

It seems like there whether it's in person or by mail, the procedures and technologies of it are not the same from year to year, in various states.

I also lean towards the notion that neither Donald Trump nor the Senate's Republican leader, Mitch McConnell, have been focused on improving and safeguarding the integrity of the Voting In Person systems across the nation.

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: I doubt that Voting In Person is any more reliable. It seems like there whether it's in person or by mail, the procedures and technologies of it are not the same from year to year, in various states. I also lean towards the notion that neither Donald Trump nor the Senate's Republican leader, Mitch McConnell, have been focused on improving and safeguarding the integrity of the Voting In Person systems across the nation.

Please cite factual information that would lead you to the conclusion concerning in-person voting.

The comment regarding Federal safeguarding of elections is somewhat puzzling, as the elections are organized and managed at the State and Local levels. We do not have a national election, we have multiple State elections for electing our Federal officials.

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: The line that formed, waiting to enter a voting station during the June 2020 primary election in Georgia.

And ? Some people are stupid. I have never stood in a line like that to vote. My gawd, some people are stupid. There is much opportunity, many days, for early voting (avoiding lines). Absentee ballots are not hard to get. Both require ID. Do you have a problem with that ? The stupid people will be the ones who wait to the last minute to vote or line up for the new I Phone, so they don't have to wait, yet they did. The voters who wait for the last minute. Wait in line. Did I say early voting ? 7:00 AM, no line ... no heat.

I Phone line.

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: Just like lining up to enter a grocery store or supermarket. NOT.

Your not stupid. I have never heard such a stupid statement. Do you grocery shop ?

Covid grocery store line.



Do you want to see more ?

I (and millions of others) voted by mail for most of 9 years.......back before voting by mail was such a hot issue.

ballot box voting..... hmm.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Your not stupid. I have never heard such a stupid statement. Do you grocery shop ? Covid grocery store line. Do you want to see more ?

You are underlining the pandemic-related inconvenience that happens at grocery stores (although I've not personally experienced any kind of serious delay for queuing up to enter one.)

I don't see that what you are presenting here advances any kind of case for discouraging large scale voting by mail, and I don't see that it advances any kind of case for discouraging the kind of voting by mail for any qualified voter who wants to cast their vote by mail. I don't see that you are advancing a case for discouraging the kind of voting by mail that is free of the imposition of any requirement that a voter must present a reason(s) for voting by mail instead of voting in person.

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I've never had to stand in line to vote in a federal election for more than a few (under 15) minutes but I do have to add that I have never lived in a big city either.

I have (at Christmas) had to stand in line at the inside of a post office, but never had any problem dropping a letter or ballot off in a drop box or my own mailbox.

If anyone has any factual information.....
How many mail-in ballots in 2016 were found to be intentionally fraudulent?

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: You are underlining the pandemic-related inconvenience that happens at grocery stores (although I've not personally experienced any kind of serious delay for queuing up to enter one.) I don't see that what you are presenting here advances any kind of case for discouraging large scale voting by mail, and I don't see that it advances any kind of case for discouraging the kind of voting by mail for any qualified voter who wants to cast their vote by mail. I don't see that you are advancing a case for discouraging the kind of voting by mail that is free of the imposition of any requirement that a voter must present a reason(s) for voting by mail instead of voting in person.

Most folks won't be surprised by this but, I really don't expect any Liberal to "see" the other side of this discussion. One would need to have an "open" mind. Many previous discussions support my theory that very few folks change their minds based on "Social Media". It comes down to perspective which is seldom associated with an open mind.

Let me ask this, what is the problem with Absentee Voting? That system is already in place and is verifiable. We've been doing that for a very long time. Why can't those who wish to vote by mail request Absentee Ballots? Please advise on why the push for everyone to do mail in votes now? Please don't even try to say the Pandemic. I see too many folks blowing off the CDCs guidelines at retail outlets all the time to believe folks are scared to stand in line or go out in public due to Pandemic fears.

Rams

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quote Originally posted by maryjane: I've never had to stand in line to vote in a federal election for more than a few (under 15) minutes but I do have to add that I have never lived in a big city either. I have (at Christmas) had to stand in line at the inside of a post office, but never had any problem dropping a letter or ballot off in a drop box or my own mailbox. If anyone has any factual information..... How many mail-in ballots in 2016 were found to be intentionally fraudulent?

Law & Crime
Philadelphia Election Judge Admits to Stuffing Ballot Boxes for Democrats in Three Separate Elections

quote Originally posted by maryjane:

Lol... I'd like to see those boys do that to the hood of a modern Honda Accord or Honda Civic...

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: You are underlining the pandemic-related inconvenience that happens at grocery stores (although I've not personally experienced any kind of serious delay for queuing up to enter one.)

Have you personally experienced a panic demic delay in voting ?

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: I don't see that what you are presenting here advances any kind of case for discouraging large scale voting by mail ...

That is because your looking with your eyes wide shut. I don't see you advancing any kind of case for encouraging large scale voting by mail. Such as verification ! Oh, yeah yeah, you are the party of no ID.

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: I don't see that it advances any kind of case for discouraging the kind of voting by mail for any qualified voter who wants to cast their vote by mail.

I didn't try to make a case to discourage it. You made it for me. Define qualified voter ? You know the voter rolls are more than less than reliable. Why the "every registered voter ever in history" push ? Many just succumb to register pressures and still do not vote. Many move. A lot die. What's wrong with requesting a ballot, IF you want to vote ?

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: I don't see that you are advancing a case for discouraging the kind of voting by mail that is free of the imposition of any requirement that a voter must present a reason(s) for voting by mail instead of voting in person.

Imposition, . Really ? Is it an imposition to go to the grocery store. There are reasons to absentee vote, including a signature on file.

Why are you so for it ? Your President stands to lose just as many voters as the Dumbs do.

How would you like to have your vote canceled out ? The US has long and often sent poll watchers to many countries to see if elections are legitimate. Also in the USA.
Do you believe there will be no fraud, on either side of the isle ?