Example 2 Out of nowhere, someone posted a photo of another member (who wasn't even participating in that thread) just to ridicule/provoke him. That would be cause for immediate probation.
Honestly, how was anybody supposed to know Joe Arpaio was a member here ? With the avatar/handle system for all we know Justinea DruDUMB and Barack Opuka could be lurking in the wings and we would never know it. Plus they chose a career in public office, that makes them subject to public opinion. Cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen or grow a steel skin.
Does seem to prove the point about god-complex and power trip though. If you want to know who rules you, just find out who you are not allowed to criticize.
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To put an end to all the crap that is going on (mainly) in TO/T, I'm going to instate a new forum rule soon. It's actually an existing rule but enforced much stricter, and breaking it will result in an immediate probation and eventually a permanent ban.
Any provocation directed at another member will result in an immediate probation. What is a provocation you say? That can be anything. From calling someone names, or posting a post with the sole purpose of targeting another member. Posting private information. Picking a fight. Anything with the sole purpose of attacking another member. So who determines what's a provocation? Well, I do. Sorry, no discussion possible.
First offense will result in a 1-2 day probation. Second offense in a 2-4 day probation. Third offense will result in a ban.
It's a really simple rule that anyone should be able to grasp. It boils down to: be respectful towards other members. You hate someone's guts and it kills you to be respectful towards him? Stay out of the thread. Don't post. Let it go. You think somebody is the biggest arsewipe on the planet? Again, steer away. But I will no longer allow disrespectful conduct.
Then my long-running proving point about simply courtesy & respect was finally heard (although it had to be driven completely over-the-top) and taken seriously. Everyone here knows disrespectful is not in my nature, but I found it a membership-approved necessary tool to fight fire-with-fire to prove this very point. Personally, I come here to have FUN, not to fight.
The most amazing thing is some in this thread that are applauding the idea of civility. Like this is some new concept that they've been praying for all along. Give me a break.
Now we get to see just how impossible it is for some to act like simple adults. Should be fun!
Thank you Cliff for stepping-in and correcting course. Maybe even Tony Kania can come back now that the boundaries have been well-established. Who knows?
Post Script: To all those that think "civility" is somehow an oppression to your right to free speech, there is a very simple solution: Private Message! In PM you can tell someone exactly what you think of them, cuss-words, altered pictures, even comment on their Wife & family! Why it was so important for this type of person to personally insult someone publically should tell you everything you need to know about what their true intent is.
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Then my long-running proving point about simply courtesy & respect was finally heard (although it had to be driven completely over-the-top) and taken seriously. Everyone here knows disrespectful is not in my nature, but I found it a membership-approved necessary tool to fight fire-with-fire to prove this very point.
Oh, kind of like shooting someone to prove that guns are dangerous? Or that people are?
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Originally posted by Boondawg:
Talk about feelings-over-fact!
I'm curious, would this be one of those feelings over facts moments?
Rams
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Then my long-running proving point about simply courtesy & respect was finally heard (although it had to be driven completely over-the-top) and taken seriously. Everyone here knows disrespectful is not in my nature, but I found it a membership-approved necessary tool to fight fire-with-fire to prove this very point. Personally, I come here to have FUN, not to fight.
The most amazing thing is some in this thread that are applauding the idea of civility. Like this is some new concept that they've been praying for all along. Give me a break.
Now we get to see just how impossible it is for some to act like simple adults. Should be fun!
Thank you Cliff for stepping-in and correcting course. Maybe even Tony Kania can come back now that the boundaries have been well-established. Who knows?
Post Script: To all those that think "civility" is somehow an oppression to your right to free speech, there is a very simple solution: Private Message! In PM you can tell someone exactly what you think of them, cuss-words, altered pictures, even comment on their Wife & family! Why it was so important for this type of person to personally insult someone publically should tell you everything you need to know about what their true intent is.
Boondawg, this entire thread is literally because you posted a picture of a forum member. This thread wasn't posted because you were somehow being made fun of, it was posted entirely because of YOUR behavior. This is what.. the first post back after you were unbanned?
Let's be honest here. This will be largely ineffective. I applaud the attempt but you can bet there are individuals that are squirming in their seats right now waiting for all of the attention to die down. It will, they will come back, we will report, complain, fight back and eventually someone will get yelled at.
The ratings system has no real value except when someone signs up and goes nuts in the first 15 minutes. The one sub-forum that needs the rating system the most (as it functions today) is the same one that allows one to effectively avoid punishment by just posting like crazy until Cliff finally has to manually intervene when it gets his attention and can find the time. Yes, a few people have been banned by the slow drip method.
You can't have a peaceful forum that isn't moderated in nearly real time.
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You can't have a peaceful forum that isn't moderated in nearly real time.
You cant have a peaceful O/T type forum AT ALL. We cover a wack of different countries and continents, religions, political leanings, value systems, races, genders (all 2 of them ) ect...Of course its going to turn into a free-for-all. It's what humans do and have been doing for a few hundred thousand years now. If we aint bashing somebody's head, we as a species are out looking for the next bashee.
Of course. More "Todd Talk" - temporarily communist... also known as a socialist.
You know full well what the word banning means.
Definition of ban
transitive verb : to prohibit especially by legal means : to prohibit the use, performance, or distribution of
It says nothing of time frame, whether temporary or permanently. Now that you've unequivocally lost this nonsense debate of the English language, let's move to the primary reason for your seemingly random response...
You're bothered by people being mean to Boondawg. I get it. In as much as Boondawg gets criticized on here, I encourage you to recognize that he very much brings a lot of it on himself. Human nature being what it is... people have a low threshold and a low tolerance. This is a lesson we ALL learn in grade school. Certain behaviors can lead you to getting made fun of or getting beat up. How you learn to adjust is no different than how you would adjust in a corporate office or on the playground.
Boondawg is allowed to have his opinions, whatever those might be... but most of his posts are made specifically to agitate. When he does "debate" he calls people stupid, calls them dumb, and then when pushed in a corner, he goes crazy and starts saying everything is human (whatever that means). Some people have a much lower threshold for nonsense than I do. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. If you give a coherent argument that's laid out... I'm happy to respond in-kind (and you know this of me). I've changed my opinions many time over the past several decades. 20 years ago I was a Democrat, totally against homosexuality, supported abortion, and for the death penalty. Today, I'm a Republican, support gay rights, vehemently against abortion, and against the death penalty.
I can't speak for anyone else... but one thing is for sure... say stupid stuff, expect to be called stupid.
And sorry, but I'm not the least bit interested in the rest of your unsolicited diatribe.
I don't know that anyone is the least bit interested in the difference? BUT it at least boosted a couple of profile "post counts". But it does seem that you are at least interested in keeping a nothing burger stacking up the patties and cheese.
Wouldn't it be ironic if even this "New Rules" thread were to be closed by the moderator, or moved to the Trash Can?
Are Thread Closings and Trash Can'nings even now become anachronisms? Already relegated to the extraordinary infrequency of black swan events, as the new rules regime becomes established? I think it's well to consider that the new forum rules (or new thresholds for enforcement) could well have the effect of changing the modalities of moderator intervention... of reshaping the frequency spectrum of differentiable intervention events.
Internet historians are already watching.
"Probation" is a kind of "ban,"--is that comma immediately ahead of the closing quotation marks surrounding "ban" well placed, or would it be well placed in the absence of this interjectory question that is set off by the double dash or "--" punctuation?--but it's a ban with a difference. It's a ban that comes with the expectation (or at least, the hope) that there will soon be reason for the moderator to end it and restore the particular forum member to fully privileged membership status.
"Probation," although technically a "ban," is such a special and distinctive kind of "ban" that it would be odd, indeed, for plaintiff to speak of "ban" instead of "probation." Not illegal. But certainly odd. Perhaps a regional predilection, but that is beyond my purview, as I would have no standing in such a case.
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And what, of value, have you added to this discussion?
Something we all should consider. This post contributes absolutely nothing except to point out the quoted post is very similar in nature. Just something to think about. I screw up from time to time. This could be one of those times.
Rams
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I was explaining the difference between being Banned and being on Probation to 82-T/A [At Work], who seemed to be rather unclear on the concept. Other than voicing his criticism of my post, what enlightenment did Rickady88GT have to offer?
I was explaining the difference between being Banned and being on Probation to 82-T/A [At Work], who seemed to be rather unclear on the concept. Other than voicing his criticism of my post, what enlightenment did Rickady88GT have to offer?
The fact that EVERYBODY knows the difference and dragging this out is pointless. Your insistence that others are misguided or misunderstood is, in itself misguided and misunderstood. Are we done yet?
Originally posted by Cliff Pennock: Any provocation directed at another member will result in an immediate probation. What is a provocation you say? That can be anything. From calling someone names, or posting a post with the sole purpose of targeting another member. Posting private information. Picking a fight. Anything with the sole purpose of attacking another member. So who determines what's a provocation? Well, I do. Sorry, no discussion possible.
It's a really simple rule that anyone should be able to grasp. It boils down to: be respectful towards other members. You hate someone's guts and it kills you to be respectful towards him? Stay out of the thread. Don't post. Let it go. You think somebody is the biggest arsewipe on the planet? Again, steer away. But I will no longer allow disrespectful conduct.
TEST !
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Originally posted by Boondawg: The most amazing thing is some in this thread that are applauding the idea of civility.
Post Script: To all those that think "civility" is somehow an oppression to your right to free speech, there is a very simple solution: Private Message! In PM you can tell someone exactly what you think of them, cuss-words, altered pictures, even comment on their Wife & family!
Civility is only something you do in public ? Bullzhit. The simple solution is PM ? Bullzhit. You block all that shine sunlight on your snowflake.
Cliff, what ever happen to sending contentious threads to the Trash Can ?
I do think it is fitting if someone "doxes" someone's personal information (that they have already not released), that it be an immediate permanent ban.
Ha! I see you don't know Patrick very well. It's ok. He likes to fight.
No, I suspect you don't know me very well. I much prefer to kid around... but if I feel someone is being an arsewipe, sure, I can be cranky in response.
I don't agree with what you just posted, but you were at least somewhat civil about it... so I in turn have been civil to you as well. That's generally how normal people relate to each other.
Having reviewed this entire thread and a few others, I've determined that I deserve a self-administered Probation Period.
I will attempt to contain myself for a while. A big thank you to the group as a whole for understanding this self-administered Probation Period.
I may not be missed but, this way I can take a break from the ARSEWIPES, myself included.
Rams
Guys, we have to do something... Blackrams has started drinking Soy Milk, and look at what it's done to him! Someone get this man a beer and a slab of raw Texas Angus beef...
No, I suspect you don't know me very well. I much prefer to kid around... but if I feel someone is being an arsewipe, sure, I can be cranky in response.
I dont know you, but I know of you. You like to argue but insist that others are the only problem "arsewipes".
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I don't agree with what you just posted, but you were at least somewhat civil about it... so I in turn have been civil to you as well. That's generally how normal people relate to each other.
Patrick, tell us again how "normal", civil people act and how they should respond?
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Originally posted by Boondawg:
Question; How dumb are you? Is it natural, or are you just pretending, hoping someone dumber than you will think you're brilliant?
Humor is humor. It's subjective. Your problem with it here is crystal-clear. You're a moron.
"Trump Derangement Syndrome"...that nice little catch-all phrase of the simple-minded to discount any dissenting opinion. (you know, one our American values) Making "spewing more hate"... little-more than a self-identifier.
Your own stupidity negates your "opinion" of what COMEDY is to OTHERS.
Wait, let me guess, you thoroughly enjoyed the Obama memes of yesteryear...probably even seen them as fact! The transparency of your one-sided ignorance is staggering. You actually seem proud of it.
P.S. For the record, I have zero use for hate. Real intelligence doesn't allow for it. It's focus is understanding, not feelings.
Read a book.
As you defend Boon and appear to be his forum body guard and cheerleader.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Guys, we have to do something... Blackrams has started drinking Soy Milk, and look at what it's done to him! Someone get this man a beer and a slab of raw Texas Angus beef...
Soy milk is so '80s..Almond and oat milk is TNBT...I never saw a teat on either an oat or an almond so not sure how they can call it 'milk' but the gullibility of certain demographics never ceases to amaze me. BTW...Blackrams has previously (and publicly) stated here on PFF that he does not drink alcohol....unless he has changed his ways recently.... (nor do I, as of Oct 2015)
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Going back before that last one from "maryjane" . . .
That (from Boondawg) would have been a good message--even an excellent message (IMO)--if he had exercised just a little more restraint in the language that he used.
He shouldn't have responded so directly to Rick (or any other named or clearly identifiable forum member) with "How dumb are you?" or "You're a moron." He shouldn't have said "your own stupidity" or "your one-sided ignorance."
I searched to find that message, and Boondawg set it up by quoting a previous message from Rickady88GT.
Forum members should think very carefully before committing to the "you" word. The "you" word is associated with a high risk factor for Incivility. And that's not good.
This is a very illustrative example in terms of how the forum could be improved.
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Going back before that last one from "maryjane" . . .
That (from Boondawg) would have been a good message--even an excellent message (IMO)--if he had exercised just a little more restraint in the language that he used.
He shouldn't have responded so directly to Rick (or any other named or clearly identifiable forum member) with "How dumb are you?" or "You're a moron." He shouldn't have said "your own stupidity" or "your one-sided ignorance."
I searched to find that message, and Boondawg set it up by quoting a previous message from Rickady88GT.
Forum members should think very carefully before committing to the "you" word. The "you" word is associated with a high risk factor for Incivility. And that's not good.
This is a very illustrative example in terms of how the forum could be improved.
Going back before that last one from "maryjane" . . .
That (from Boondawg) would have been a good message--even an excellent message (IMO)--if he had exercised just a little more restraint in the language that he used.
Actually (not surprising) I disagree with your assessment of the posts. You don't seem to understand the context from which I was pointing out. I know what humor is and what isn't. As so do the other members here, my point was not that I want to censor anyone's "humor" to one direction or another. My point is and was ALWAYS that the thread was for humor, not spouting hate just for hate. Posting hateful comments without humor is for other threads not that thread. If people want to post hateful jokes about Trump then so be it, have at it. It is totally possible and permissible to joke about ALL politicians EVEN Trump. I never said or implied that Trump should be off limits, that is a misunderstanding of my posts. I did make that very clear in my posts, but for some reason it sounds better if people just call me names rather than admit that they are the ones who misunderstood me.
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He shouldn't have responded so directly to Rick (or any other named or clearly identifiable forum member) with "How dumb are you?" or "You're a moron." He shouldn't have said "your own stupidity" or "your one-sided ignorance."
I searched to find that message, and Boondawg set it up by quoting a previous message from Rickady88GT.
I deleted my posts in that thread because I did not want to help derail the thread into arguments. So rather than explain over and over that the thread was about humor NOT another negative thread about politics, I took out what I thought were negative posts that are better suited in other threads.
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Forum members should think very carefully before committing to the "you" word. The "you" word is associated with a high risk factor for Incivility. And that's not good.
This is a very illustrative example in terms of how the forum could be improved.
I am very much in favor of using the "you" word and even better than that, screen names. If you want to say something to someone just say it. Hiding behind the "moral high ground" of not naming names is more like being scared of calling people out.
Patrick, tell us again how "normal", civil people act and how they should respond?
Are you hoping it'll sink in for you this time?
Look Rick, if you'd like me to be more civil to you, quit following me around from thread to thread to get your little digs in at me. You're probably upset that I stopped responding to your multitude of PMs, but it appeared we were just going in circles. You don't have to like who I am, but harassing me is not going to accomplish anything positive.
could be lurking in the wings and we would never know it. Plus they chose a career in public office, that makes them subject to public opinion. Cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen or grow a steel skin.
That's news to me... and to the rest of the forum.
