To put an end to all the crap that is going on (mainly) in TO/T, I'm going to instate a new forum rule soon. It's actually an existing rule but enforced much stricter, and breaking it will result in an immediate probation and eventually a permanent ban.
Any provocation directed at another member will result in an immediate probation. What is a provocation you say? That can be anything. From calling someone names, or posting a post with the sole purpose of targeting another member. Posting private information. Picking a fight. Anything with the sole purpose of attacking another member. So who determines what's a provocation? Well, I do. Sorry, no discussion possible.
First offense will result in a 1-2 day probation. Second offense in a 2-4 day probation. Third offense will result in a ban.
It's a really simple rule that anyone should be able to grasp. It boils down to: be respectful towards other members. You hate someone's guts and it kills you to be respectful towards him? Stay out of the thread. Don't post. Let it go. You think somebody is the biggest arsewipe on the planet? Again, steer away. But I will no longer allow disrespectful conduct.
Went looking through the rules for a list of censored things, found this but nothing more specifc.
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You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this messageboard to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. You grant this messageboard the right to modify your posts, remove offensive material, modify your post title to accurately reflect content, remove vulgar comments, remove insults, or delete any other content deemed inappropriate, all at my discretion.
Not trying to be a PITA but, is there a more comprehensive list to be found?
I'm bumping this because I want to make sure as much people as possible read this before I start enforcing it.
I know it should be obvious, and for the most part it is. But a lot of discussions get "heated," so would you give a polite nudge if you think we're going down a road that maybe we shouldn't? I don't know if my behavior in the past has covered this area... but just want to make sure.
To put an end to all the crap that is going on (mainly) in TO/T, I'm going to instate a new forum rule soon. It's actually an existing rule but enforced much stricter, and breaking it will result in an immediate probation and eventually a permanent ban.
Any provocation directed at another member will result in an immediate probation. What is a provocation you say? That can be anything. From calling someone names, or posting a post with the sole purpose of targeting another member. Posting private information. Picking a fight. Anything with the sole purpose of attacking another member. So who determines what's a provocation? Well, I do. Sorry, no discussion possible.
First offense will result in a 1-2 day probation. Second offense in a 2-4 day probation. Third offense will result in a ban.
It's a really simple rule that anyone should be able to grasp. It boils down to: be respectful towards other members. You hate someone's guts and it kills you to be respectful towards him? Stay out of the thread. Don't post. Let it go. You think somebody is the biggest arsewipe on the planet? Again, steer away. But I will no longer allow disrespectful conduct.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I know it should be obvious, and for the most part it is. But a lot of discussions get "heated," so would you give a polite nudge if you think we're going down a road that maybe we shouldn't? I don't know if my behavior in the past has covered this area... but just want to make sure.
I know it should be obvious, and for the most part it is. But a lot of discussions get "heated," so would you give a polite nudge if you think we're going down a road that maybe we shouldn't? I don't know if my behavior in the past has covered this area... but just want to make sure.
Heated discussions are fine. I'm not saying you are not allowed to disagree. But any attack on a person that is completely uncalled for, any post that has the sole purpose of attacking or ridiculing another member, posting private information, false quoting, etc. will immediately be followed by a probation/ban.
Example 2 Out of nowhere, someone posted a photo of another member (who wasn't even participating in that thread) just to ridicule/provoke him. That would be cause for immediate probation.
I know it should be obvious, and for the most part it is. But a lot of discussions get "heated," so would you give a polite nudge if you think we're going down a road that maybe we shouldn't? I don't know if my behavior in the past has covered this area... but just want to make sure.
I would also like to add that this is non-quantifiable, meaning I can't give you a fixed set of rules of what is and what isn't acceptable. It's totally subjective. Sometimes I'll allow stuff and undoubtedly some people will not be able to understand why. Other times I will put someone on probation and again, some people will not understand why. For sure people will accuse me of favoritism. For sure people will accuse me of double standards. And all I have to say about that is: live with it. I will try the best I can do to be as fair as possible, but in all honesty, we are all different people and what might be totally unacceptable for you, can be acceptable for me. On top of that, I'm Dutch. And one thing the Dutch are famous for, is their tolerance. But even so, it still could be that some things are totally unacceptable for us, while no problem for you.
To give an example of the latter, quite a while ago someone was discussing a Seinfield episode where he (Seinfield) was talking about the "Soup-Nazi". Just using the word "nazi" is incredibly offensive for us Europeans. And particularly in this context. As if denying someone soup is just as bad as killing millions of innocent people.
In short, as long as you treat others with respect, I'm fine with that. Heated discussions? Fine. I really won't ban someone for saying "Are you crazy? I disagree!". As you said, we are all adults here. It shouldn't be all that difficult to not cross the (my) line.
As far as violations being a subjective decision, the same holds true in most of America (including almost all of the American legal/justice system). Moderation is always subjective. There is no 100% 'one-size-fits-all' . Ya just do the best ya can..
Heated discussions are fine. I'm not saying you are not allowed to disagree. But any attack on a person that is completely uncalled for, any post that has the sole purpose of attacking or ridiculing another member, posting private information, false quoting, etc. will immediately be followed by a probation/ban.
Let me see if I can find a few examples.
So, reading between the lines, if, a response is called for, the rules are negotiable? I guess I don't get to be the judge of what's completely uncalled for...………
Just so we're clear, if someone deserves to be called an arsewipe, I'm gonna call it as I see it. At least till I get put on probation. You know, kind of like, Don't Be Such An Arsewipe!!
Rams
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...On top of that, I'm Dutch. And one thing the Dutch are famous for, is their tolerance. But even so, it still could be that some things are totally unacceptable for us, while no problem for you.
To give an example of the latter, quite a while ago someone was discussing a Seinfield episode where he (Seinfield) was talking about the "Soup-Nazi". Just using the word "nazi" is incredibly offensive for us Europeans. And particularly in this context. As if denying someone soup is just as bad as killing millions of innocent people.
Totally not on topic here, but wanted to touch on that. We definitely use the term NAZI way too often in the United States. It's become such a simple care-free word to discuss something even slightly offensive or even annoying.
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There actually was a "Soup Nazi" according to the witness testimony that was presented in a video documentary.
The witness was--if memory serves me--Alfred Krupp, of the famous Krupp family of German steel industry magnates.
He recounted how the factory kitchens had made soup, and after it had been served, according to the rules that were set up by the SS, there was some leftover soup that Krupp wanted to serve to some of the Nazi's pool of slave laborers that were forced to work at the Krupp steel factory. But the SS officer in charge would not allow it. If memory serves me, Krupp recounted how the leftover soup was poured into a waste drain, at the insistence of the SS, instead of being doled out to any of the slave laborers.
Now whether Krupp's testimony in this post WW2 documentary was accurate, or fictitious and self-serving... that I cannot say, one way or the other, with any strong conviction.
So, Cliff, basically what you're saying is if you act like a jackwagon, you get the boot (temporarily or permanently), right? Seems reasonable to me but what what do I know? I've been a Cliff cheerleader for 20+ years.
I would also like to add that this is non-quantifiable, meaning I can't give you a fixed set of rules of what is and what isn't acceptable. It's totally subjective. Sometimes I'll allow stuff and undoubtedly some people will not be able to understand why. Other times I will put someone on probation and again, some people will not understand why. For sure people will accuse me of favoritism. For sure people will accuse me of double standards. And all I have to say about that is: live with it. I will try the best I can do to be as fair as possible, but in all honesty, we are all different people and what might be totally unacceptable for you, can be acceptable for me. On top of that, I'm Dutch. And one thing the Dutch are famous for, is their tolerance. But even so, it still could be that some things are totally unacceptable for us, while no problem for you.
To give an example of the latter, quite a while ago someone was discussing a Seinfield episode where he (Seinfield) was talking about the "Soup-Nazi". Just using the word "nazi" is incredibly offensive for us Europeans. And particularly in this context. As if denying someone soup is just as bad as killing millions of innocent people.
In short, as long as you treat others with respect, I'm fine with that. Heated discussions? Fine. I really won't ban someone for saying "Are you crazy? I disagree!". As you said, we are all adults here. It shouldn't be all that difficult to not cross the (my) line.
So because I am known and famous for being fair, impartial and unbiased,. I will offer my services as a stand in moderator when you go on vacations and what not
On a serious note, thank you for addressing these issues.
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So because I am known and famous for being fair, impartial and unbiased,. I will offer my services as a stand in moderator when you go on vacations and what not
On a serious note, thank you for addressing these issues.
Man, I don't ever want to be a moderator. I moderated an H-D forum for a while. I never knew what a bunch of babies and snowflakes a bunch of "bikers" could be. I never even go to that forum anymore.
Steve, It takes a sick mind to come up with such a term. Be advised, I appreciate an active imagination..
Rams
I didn't come up with it. From the rules at the top of the page...
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Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
Keep it civilized! It's ok to disagree with someone. Really, it is. But it's not ok to call someone a "toad licking monkey waxer" just because he disagrees.
But then... I see that it's okay to use it, but not to describe somebody.
But yeah... "sick mind"? I'll wear it as a badge of honor.
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