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Active/passive speaker wiring by Cliff Pennock
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Someone I know had a 2.1 Sound system that he was no longer using and "gave" it to me (as in, giving a case of beer in return). The set consists of one active top, one passive top and an active subwoofer:



He gave me a bunch of cables and explained to me how to wire it up. When I got home and looked at the setup and all connections, I was pretty sure there were some major problems with the way he had it setup.

These are the connections of the active speaker:



These are the connections of the passive speaker:



These are the connections of the active subwoofer:



The manual labels the XLR connectors "Line In" and "Line Out".

The way he had it hooked up was as follows:



The cable he gave me to make connection 1, was a self-made SpeakOn P2 cable. Instead of a special cable, he used ordinary speaker cable, like this one:



And for connection two, he used an ordinary SpeakOn to XLR cable. The packaging of the cable didn't mention anything special, just that it was a SpeakOn to XLR speaker cable.

Now the problems I see with this are multiple:

First of all, the input at the active speaker. He connects both L & R outputs from the mixer, while it looks that the connectors are hooked up in parallel. So you can plug a line source in either one, and use the other one as a "through". By hooking up both, he is effectively shorting the two outputs on the mixer side which can eventually destroy your mixer.

Second, the connection from the passive speaker to the subwoofer, he is connecting a speaker level output to a line level input. I cannot imagine this is very healthy for the subwoofer...

Third, this effectively is a mono system because the audio coming from the active speaker is simply duplicated at the other speakers.

Also, even without the subwoofer connected and even though the passive speaker is actually the exact same speaker (albeit passive) as the active speaker, the passive speaker is a lot less loud than the active speaker.

To start with the last problem, could this be caused by the poor quality, home-made speaker cable he gave me?

Most importantly, what would be the best way to hook up this system?

I was thinking the following: Get rid of the passive speaker and replace that with another active speaker. Then give each speaker it's own Line Input coming from my mixer (my mixer has 3 (L&R) line output). So each top will have its own channel giving me stereo sound and the subwoofer will be connected to either L or R.

So my questions really are:

- Are my assumptions about the original setup correct (that it will eventually destroy your equipment)?
- Is my setup the best way to set up this system?
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Wish I could help but, again I find myself on the back end of technology. Keeping up with it just isn't worth the effort any more.

I recently had my "bonus" room (above my garage) made into a theater/play room. Had an 85" flat screen hung on the wall and a 7.2 Yamaha sound system installed.

I'm barely smart enough to turn it on and make it work. Had a total of three remotes, one for the TV, one for the cable box and one for the sound system. Having three remotes was cumbersome and somewhat of a PITA. So, I ordered a Harmony Remote that controls everything. I'm not sure it was worth it. Oh, I can rock the neighborhood and make the whole house vibrate with those two big sub-wolfers but, it was a lot of money just to watch TV. Pretty sure I'll really enjoy it eventually once I figure out how all the technology works. I know I'll enjoy the Ping Pong Table I ordered.

So, with that, here's a bump for your thread.

Rams

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Here is my two three cents:

1. An active subwoofer expects to see a line level input, so the higher power could damage the amplifier (in the subwoofer)
2. It looks like the active speaker has only one channel and the line level RCA jacks are intended for a pass-through. Hooking both right an left from your board to these jacks could damage the preamps in your mixer board.
3. As long as the speaker wire is of sufficient gauge and wired correctly, it should not be a problem. SpeakOn only needs two conductors and unless the wire run is really long, or the signal is very low, shielded cable is not required. XLR has a + and a - signal and a separate ground and is meant for low impedance, low voltage signals such as microphones.

I don't have any idea why the other speaker is quiet.
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Originally posted by blackrams:

Wish I could help but, again I find myself on the back end of technology. Keeping up with it just isn't worth the effort any more.

I recently had my "bonus" room (above my garage) made into a theater/play room. Had an 85" flat screen hung on the wall and a 7.2 Yamaha sound system installed.

I'm barely smart enough to turn it on and make it work. Had a total of three remotes, one for the TV, one for the cable box and one for the sound system. Having three remotes was cumbersome and somewhat of a PITA. So, I ordered a Harmony Remote that controls everything. I'm not sure it was worth it. Oh, I can rock the neighborhood and make the whole house vibrate with those two big sub-wolfers but, it was a lot of money just to watch TV. Pretty sure I'll really enjoy it eventually once I figure out how all the technology works. I know I'll enjoy the Ping Pong Table I ordered.

So, with that, here's a bump for your thread.

Rams



You too, huh ? I've got remotes for the TV, Roku Box, Android, Blu-Ray and speaker system. All have to be set to the right input/function/whatever. If it's anything complicated I tell Kim to find something and make it work.
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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:


You too, huh ? I've got remotes for the TV, Roku Box, Android, Blu-Ray and speaker system. All have to be set to the right input/function/whatever. If it's anything complicated I tell Kim to find something and make it work.


I'm told that if it can be remotely operated, a Harmony can work. Don't know that is factual. What I do know is, if you're not careful and just barely touch it, it will turn on the damn toaster, change the temp of HVAC and start my chair vibrating all while I'm just trying to adjust the volume.

I'm not sure I'd recommend it but, it is nice not having multiple remotes laying around.

Reference Cliff's problem. Is Geek Squad in the Netherlands?

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From Skytec subwoofer manual.
https://www.manualslib.com/...5.html?page=2#manual

Mixer to Subwoofer Thru to Active Speaker which powers Passive speaker.
Not sure why they'd show a line from Passive speaker back to sub?

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Originally posted by fierosound:

From Skytec subwoofer manual.
https://www.manualslib.com/...5.html?page=2#manual

Mixer to Subwoofer Thru to Active Speaker which powers Passive speaker.
Not sure why they'd show a line from Passive speaker back to sub?





Passive speaker takes power from the active, but audio signal from the sub maybe ?
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Originally posted by fierosound:

Not sure why they'd show a line from Passive speaker back to sub?



Yes, that's odd to say the least...
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They do make line level converter boxes to safely mix down stereo to mono.

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Originally posted by williegoat:





But it says "Passive Speaker"?

Oh I just checked the manual and that text isn't there 😄😄😄
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Originally posted by williegoat:





OOPS...

STILL... the Mixer Signal goes to the Subwoofer FIRST, then Thru to the Active speaker which then powers the Passive speaker.

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