quote Originally posted by sourmash: The blast that could've struck Mars blew off the atmosphere as well and the water was disbursed into space. Now 'they' are ready to acknowledge that Mars can still even have surface water if it's briny enough. Supposedly a test by one scientist (I think done in the 1970s) confirmed water but NASA said there wasn't and it was corrupted data.

Yeah they have found much more recently "evidence" of recent water flows on Mars.

Basically satellite pictures in areas with not much of anything there, then later pictures of the same areas showing what looks like empty river flows..

So its likely there is frozen water under the surface, and on those rare occasions Mars warms up enough that some of it melts and flows on the surface, before either evaporating or soaking back into the ground soon after..

Hell its not that abstract an idea that there are hidden underground reservoirs of frozen water on/within Mars. Hell the moon as water, so why not.

My theory is that Mars was a "living" planet back before the Earth became one, and that massive impact on Mars basically killed the planet. Gotta keep in mind the Sun billions of years ago was burning much hotter than it does today, so Mars was probably a good bit warmer back then.. If Earth even had its atmosphere yet during those times, it was probably closer to what Venus is like today..

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quote Originally posted by Jonesy: Gotta keep in mind the Sun billions of years ago was burning much hotter than it does today, so Mars was probably a good bit warmer back then.. If Earth even had its atmosphere yet during those times, it was probably closer to what Venus is like today.

That was when, perhaps day four... the day after dry land, seas, plants and trees were created?

quote Originally posted by Jonesy: Gotta keep in mind the Sun billions of years ago was burning much hotter than it does today

That's just part of the message (from Jonesy) but I am unclear about where that idea comes from.

Early on in the history of the Sun and the Solar System, the Sun was radiating less energy, compared to modern times. The Sun has been and continues to increase the amount of energy that it radiates outwards into space, constantly and continually increasing that amount, but increasing it ever so slowly. So, "getting hotter", but at such a very small fractional rate of increase over time, from the human perspective, as to be irrelevant to any discussion about human effects on climate and anthropogenic or man-made global warming.

That's what I have seen in all the reading (or viewing) that I have indulged in on such topics.

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Edit: I don't think this fundamentally changes the "Creator" discussion in any way. Just a "point of order."

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I grew up with a strong belief in a personal relationship with my creator. Not only did I believe in a God, I knew him and preached his Word to others.

Maybe 9 years ago or so, I came to the (slow) realization that I did not believe in God. I also said I would never be one of those atheists who had to prove to religious folks how stupid they were. I am an atheist, but I’ll never be that person. I believe religion is an overall benefit to most of humanity.