NIH just released a peer-reviewed article stating that:
“Conclusions: Our study suggests that the treatment protocol of HCQ, AZM, and zinc with or without vitamin C is safe and effective in the treatment of COVID-19, with high dose IV vitamin C leading to a significantly quicker recovery.”
This is the real thing, it’s not fake.
What I want to emphasize here is that since 2020... there was constant tongue-lashing by the radical left establishment, criticizing anyone and everyone who even suggested Hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and heavy Zinc and Vitamin D supplements. There is no misreading this article. We were told, “follow the science,” and that anything deviating even slightly from this was “anti-science.”
Many people on here had lots of fun at the expense of this stuff. Obviously, I don’t think any of you guys are bad people... lol, we all have fun on here. But many of you also fell for the narrative. I didn’t know any better, I just knew that I didn’t know. I can't remember saying anything in support of, or against it... because I never used it, and I’m not a doctor. Patients were prohibited from using it, and many doctors were fired for prescribing it because the hospital administrators were radical leftists.
There is a a saying, there are three stages of “truth,”
1 – First, it’s ridiculed (check, this happened) 2 – Second, it’s violently opposed (check, this definitely happened) 3 – It’s accepted as being self-evident
I’m sure everyone here will tell me that they were totally cool with Hydroxychloroquine and didn’t see or participate in any of #1 and #2.
As the intellectual and each totally-individually unique liberal Millennials now all say... Tell me that the peer reviewed process is broken, without telling me it’s broken.
It's interesting. I have tried to remain open-minded about the whole thing. Just because the vax is right for some people doesn't make it right for everyone. Just because HCQ and AZM are right for some people doesn't make them right for everyone.
The glaring problem with this whole thing is the "my way or the highway" attitude from... most everybody. This, in concert with the "officials" who change their minds the way most people change their shorts, and who are, I believe, in it for the notoriety.
The reality of the matter is that this is - and has always been - a moving target. They truly are making it up as they go. By necessity. Only a few "officials" (there's that word) are attempting to cover their collective asses, and insist that their ideas are right, even though the exact opposite was right, last month.
Edit - ...and the conspiracy theorists are not helping. I don't buy the whole "government plot" scenario. At the worst, it's a government eff-up. What has our government ever done "efficiently"? Pretty much nothing. They can't even run a brothel successfully. They are just not clever enough to pull off a plot of this magnitude.
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My humble opinion is that anyone/everyone who insists on making a health issue a political issue needs a time out, in order to step back and reassess their priorities.
Best proactive treatment is to get exercise and lose some weight. Get yer Vitamins and such and stop spending all day on the couch complaining that you have to spend all day on the couch.
Also, a daily netti pot with some iodide was something they were discussing about knocking out 80% of the Covideses but then realized folks don't know how to properly mix concentrations so they said its better not to do it. but its like nuking the invading forces as they are trying to muster up their troops...
and staring at boobs for ten minutes is also good for your health. (Just not your OWN saggy male boobs.)
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NIH just released a peer-reviewed article stating that:
“Conclusions: Our study suggests that the treatment protocol of HCQ, AZM, and zinc with or without vitamin C is safe and effective in the treatment of COVID-19, with high dose IV vitamin C leading to a significantly quicker recovery.”
The big debate was not HCQ, AZM, and zinc with or without vitamin C being used as a treatment.
It was touted by many not as a treatment, but as a therapeutic preventative.
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My humble opinion is that anyone/everyone who insists on making a health issue a political issue needs a time out, in order to step back and reassess their priorities.
For once we agree, but the lefties aren't satisfied running their own life, they just HAVE to run everybody else's.
This pretty much says what my friend/doc tells me on a regular basis. I'm glad there has been a study to confirm. Not that I didn't trust her judgement but, being in this Moderna Research Study, I'm not supposed to participate in such things unless ordered by my docs and that hasn't happened.
NIH just released a peer-reviewed article stating that: “Conclusions: Our study suggests that the treatment protocol of HCQ, AZM, and zinc with or without vitamin C is safe and effective in the treatment of COVID-19, with high dose IV vitamin C leading to a significantly quicker recovery.”
This is the real thing, it’s not fake.
What I want to emphasize here is that since 2020... there was constant tongue-lashing by the radical left establishment, criticizing anyone and everyone who even suggested Hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and heavy Zinc and Vitamin D supplements. There is no misreading this article. We were told, “follow the science,” and that anything deviating even slightly from this was “anti-science.”
Many people on here had lots of fun at the expense of this stuff. Obviously, I don’t think any of you guys are bad people... lol, we all have fun on here. But many of you also fell for the narrative. I didn’t know any better, I just knew that I didn’t know. I can't remember saying anything in support of, or against it... because I never used it, and I’m not a doctor. Patients were prohibited from using it, and many doctors were fired for prescribing it because the hospital administrators were radical leftists.
There is a a saying, there are three stages of “truth,”
1 – First, it’s ridiculed (check, this happened) 2 – Second, it’s violently opposed (check, this definitely happened) 3 – It’s accepted as being self-evident
I’m sure everyone here will tell me that they were totally cool with Hydroxychloroquine and didn’t see or participate in any of #1 and #2.
As the intellectual and each totally-individually unique liberal Millennials now all say... Tell me that the peer reviewed process is broken, without telling me it’s broken.
This research report in Cureus does not move the needle for me. There's no Control group in this study. All 237 of the Covid patients in this study were treated with the Zelenko protocol of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and zinc, along with vitamin D3. The only difference was that some were also given intravenous vitamin C or "IVC" and some were not.
The report says that of the 237 Covid patients, all but one had a full recovery. One of the patients died. There's data in the study to suggest that the patients that were given IVC recovered much more quickly than the patients who were not given it.
To cut to the chase: It doesn't make me think that Donald J. Trump had any scientific basis for promoting either hydroxychloroquine or the full-on Zelenko protocol as an effective way to treat or prevent Covid, as he did, in the early stages of the pandemic.
I'm not saying that this research report is wrong or misleading.
I'll believe it when Dr. Vin Gupta tells me to believe it.
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For once we agree, but the lefties aren't satisfied running their own life, they just HAVE to run everybody else's.
like making sure the girls do not ever have an abortion EVEN THOSE WHO CAN PAY FOR ONE in fact religions [MYTH] should make laws about sex and who can marry who ban books movies nasty pictures in general and even teaching kids how their bodys work [sex ed] and ban birth control also so they need those abortions they can't get
o wait the left wants none of that but the reichwing DEMANDS ALL OF THE ABOVE or they call you a RINO at least has in the resent past here in the homeland of freedom but it seems only the reichwings approved freedoms like gun ownership or no tax on cults they approve of but state bans on my belief of sex drugs and rock&roll with heavy penalties for mere possession OF OUR SACRAMENTS while the dogma of the rightwing is more prisons and long terms
it fact one of the trumpers big complaints is they can't do the criminal stuff like bash gays or fire them just because or limit where blacks live GO TO SCHOOL OR WORK anymove like they use to BY LAW
Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: in fact religions [MYTH] should make laws about sex and who can marry who
o wait the left wants none of that but the reichwing DEMANDS ALL OF THE ABOVE or they call you a RINO
So how do you feel about Israel legislatng that a non-Jew can not marry a Jew? It's illegal there. Would you call them reichwing?
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it fact one of the trumpers big complaints is they can't do the criminal stuff like bash gays or fire them just because
You will force those private bakeries to decorate gay cakes or sue them out of existence, right?
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or limit where blacks live GO TO SCHOOL OR WORK anymove like they use to BY LAW
An interesting fact on the decision of Brown vs Board of Education, it doesn't say the Blacks can't be segregated in school. The decision says 'even with all things being equal the Black student is deprived by not having White students in the classroom with them.' Pondering that in my orb.
Things are seldom as they are represented by media.
So how do you feel about Israel legislatng that a non-Jew can not marry a Jew? It's illegal there. Would you call them reichwing?
An interesting fact on the decision of Brown vs Board of Education, it doesn't say the Blacks can't be segregated in school. The decision says 'even with all things being equal the Black student is deprived by not having White students in the classroom with them.' Pondering that in my orb.
Things are seldom as they are represented by media.
THE ZIONISTS are very rightwing jews yes they learned a bit from the 3rd reich they saw it work
btw the rightwing bro-mance with the jews is bible/buybull based on their hopes of killing everything everyone in a end times final battle return of the king other wonders and miracles promised by myths of man/god/zombie
THE ZIONISTS are very rightwing jews yes they learned a bit from the 3rd reich they saw it work
btw the rightwing bro-mance with the jews is bible/buybull based on their hopes of killing everything everyone in a end times final battle return of the king other wonders and miracles promised by myths of man/god/zombie
Always entertaining to watch you self-proclaimed "tolerant" Leftists engage in your rampant religious bigotry and anti-Semitism.
Originally posted by randye: Always entertaining to watch you self-proclaimed "tolerant" Leftists engage in your rampant religious bigotry and anti-Semitism.
I am against all religions none are special or true all are made up even my religion I just know who and why we made up my religion unlike you
and anti-zionist is against a political faction of a religion not at all anti-semitic that is very mis-named fraud as most semitic people are NOT jewish 9 out of 10 are moslem and there about as many christian semitic people as jews
and as an anti-zionist there is no more semitic content then if one said they are an anti-commie or anti-fascist
btw I am anti-zionist as no political party should run a state/country esp not with my taxes
Originally posted by randye: Always entertaining to watch you self-proclaimed "tolerant" Leftists engage in your rampant religious bigotry and anti-Semitism.
btw do the trumpers all expect a bible like trump soon ?
is that a double trouble trump ?
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Yup. When they admit things like that you know just how far they have removed themselves from any form of critical thinking.
"I'll believe it when the man on TV tells me to." has to be one of the most pathetic self-admissions I've ever seen.
Some people are just too dumb to understand what's behind a remark that isn't straight. A remark that isn't meant to be taken exactly as worded. A remark that's a "curve ball", so to speak.
A sure clue that someone is a complete stranger to critical thinking is when they show up here, day in and day out for the last umpteen years, explicitly touting their own (imaginary) prowess at critical thinking.
If you saw someone walking along a public street today, wearing a large, brightly colored codpiece, would you believe the most likely explanation is that they are really "hung"..?
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As the intellectual and each totally-individually unique liberal Millennials now all say... Tell me that the peer reviewed process is broken, without telling me it’s broken.
This new report in Cureus does not make me think that Donald J. Trump had any scientific basis for promoting hydroxychloroquine as (or as part of) an effective way to treat or prevent Covid, as he did so promote in the early stages of the pandemic.
The report is linked with the (Australian) National Institute of Integrative Medicine, and people who are curious enough about this report may want to have a peek at their website: https://niim.com.au/
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Yes... it's some new thing the kids are saying, and it's super annoying. It goes something like this,
"Tell me that the <whatever> is <adjective>, without telling me it’s <adjective>."
I don't even really know what it means. But:
1 - It's super sarcastic. 2 - It pretends like the kid saying it is super educated and quick witted. 3 - That somehow whatever you're about to say is totally wrong, before you say it.
There is no control group in the study. They have some figures shown from a meta-analysis, but without looking at each of those, I couldn’t claim the meta-analysis to have any value.
Originally posted by ray b: and anti-zionist is against a political faction of a religion not at all anti-semitic that is very mis-named fraud as most semitic people are NOT jewish 9 out of 10 are moslem and there about as many christian semitic people as jews
and as an anti-zionist there is no more semitic content then if one said they are an anti-commie or anti-fascist
btw I am anti-zionist as no political party should run a state/country esp not with my taxes
Totally nailed it in both posts. You got called a 'witch' though.
No, Randye. I've been waiting to see if there's a position he holds outside of typical leftist talking points and what do you know, he made that decision to buck the norm on this topic. This isn't a topic you just take an alternate PC position on without actual personal investigation and an understanding of the distinctions of the terms he used. It takes investigation to understand, intelligence to differentiate the named groups and courage to make the stand, too. Because the programming that is crammed down our throats in the media minute by minute is some of the strongest out there. Like making believe the American Civil War was only about slavery. If you don't support every position of the North then you're a racist who wants slavery.
We (on the right) mostly all use the name George Soros as a villian, and some of us get called a witch for doing it. Sheldon Adelson? Bibi (under criminal investigation)? Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Defend them, would you?
Ray b, keep in mind there are still religious people who don't align with the group that my brother called a death cult, the group intent on seeing billions dead. The group of Christians that thinks they are so important that they can make a messiah return in their lifetime because, because, well because they're so important and billions have to die for that to happen. It's the Boomer-era group that shouts down anyone who reminds them of things like Jesus' quoted words and deeds. And so they call people witch when they have no actual reply...because zero tolerance.
At least on this topic he obviously isn't parroting preprogrammed propaganda.
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There are people who would best refrain from criticizing anyone else as "rabid." As in "rabid anti-Semite", which became a verbal projectile previously in this discussion, hurled by one forum member at another forum member. And with not much reason, although that is neither here nor there--even if there had been good reason for it.
It's a "glass houses" kind of thing.
A discussion here that has strayed far indeed from the original topic. Or maybe not, considering what appears at the very top . . . "Accepting apologizes [sic] from all my left-leaning friends..."
There is no control group in the study. They have some figures shown from a meta-analysis, but without looking at each of those, I couldn’t claim the meta-analysis to have any value.
Has this been peer-reviewed?
Tell me you didn't read the op, without telling me you didn't read the op.
There's a lot going on in that research report. Hydroxychloroquine, which passed repeatedly from the former President's lips, if memory serves. Azithromycin and zinc, which I also believe the former President recommended on a number of different occasions, in combination with hydroxychloroquine. But also, in this same research report, vitamins C and D, and patients that tested as deficient for vitamin D.
I am not saying that it isn't a valuable research report, but I'm not solid (or sold) on the idea that any apologies are due, on the basis of this research report, from anyone's left-leaning friends. But neither am I objecting to the way that this forum topic was set up or titularized as "Accepting apologizes [sic] . . ." I regard that as fully within the long established and perfectly legitimate boundaries of Advertising Puffery or "AP" as I surmise some pundits may like to abbreviate it. Some pundits, or at least one. A pundit wannabe or Pretender to the Pundit.
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Originally posted by Fats: Tell me you didn't read the op, without telling me you didn't read the op.
Oh, I read it. It had two populations of people taking those medications, the only difference being Vitamin C. Then it drew conclusions about those medicines. If they’re going to draw conclusions on those, they need a control without those.
Oh, I read it. It had two populations of people taking those medications, the only difference being Vitamin C. Then it drew conclusions about those medicines. If they’re going to draw conclusions on those, they need a control without those.
David and Justin would like to thank you for once again confirming their study.
