Lots of links and news out about the current situation in Los Angeles and surrounding area. So, none provided.
I sincerely hope none of our members are affected but, I do feel sympathetic for those who have lost everything.
Absolutely no real/good reason all this is happening, Four Dams/reservoirs dismantled/destroyed, no water sheds built in almost ten years. $17+ million cut from the Fire Department's budget, no forest management. This was predictable.
We or Californians get the government they voted for. This should probably be posted in P&R, move it if necessary.
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The best part is that the morons at CARB passed a law that bans any crop burning by our farmers. That means when the fruit/almond harvest is completed and they uproot the 1000's of acres of trees to replant, they now have to find somewhere to dispose of those trees instead of burning them, which is the way they have been doing it. Prices will skyrocket yet CARB is so stupid that they think they're saving the environment, meanwhile all the wildfires will continue to provide millions of miles of garbage into the air. I wonder if CARB will sue mother nature?
While I do feel very sympathetic to those who have lost everything, watching the national news I see that Celebrities losing their homes seems to be taking most of the time reported. Thousands of homes destroyed, yet I'm hearing about Paris Hilton's loss of her CA home.
Originally posted by IMSA GT: The best part is that the morons at CARB passed a law that bans any crop burning by our farmers. That means when the fruit/almond harvest is completed and they uproot the 1000's of acres of trees to replant, they now have to find somewhere to dispose of those trees instead of burning them, which is the way they have been doing it. Prices will skyrocket yet CARB is so stupid that they think they're saving the environment, meanwhile all the wildfires will continue to provide millions of miles of garbage into the air. I wonder if CARB will sue mother nature?
My sadness is unmeasureable.
IMSA GT, That is crazy. I know about CARB. California Air Resources Board. I knew about the alleged mismanagement of the forests. I just learned that the "greenies" had three water retaining dams destroyed. I knew California forced water from the Colorado River (from Colorado and created the Grand Canyon) to be diverted to the Pacific Ocean, instead of being harvested for crop irrigation use. I knew the lower California area had plenty of water for landscaping.
I am glad IMSA GT that you didn't take the brown acid, .
CARB wants to save the the Delta Smelt , all wildlife, the environment, yet they created a situation which harmed all three, . Not to mention the people affected. Of course, the people were not important enough, I guess.
There was just now a report about the insurance lack of coverage, specifically mentioning State Farm canceling fire insurance on about 30,000 homes in the area hit by this devasting fire. Was not very complimentary toward State Farm but, the reporter never told the rest of the story and why State Farm canceled these policies.
Apparently, insurance companies have to go to a board that regulates the cost of insurance. State Farm recognize the issues that resulted in the current fire and requested a price increase. The board refused knowing that State Farm would pull out of this insurance market. While it may seem like a heartless situation, State Farm saw this coming or, the potential of it coming. Apparently the approval board didn't.
State Farm is a business and they recognized what could happen. I don't blame State Farm, I blame the leadership in California.
. . Santa Ana winds, apparently ' unprecedented ' according to Mayor Bass. It's her way to ' demsplain ' that she didn't do nothing, it's not her fault, avoiding responsibility. ' The winds, they came out of nowhere, we've never seen winds like that before, it burned the city ! ' ' We didn't do it, Donny Trump did it ! ' ' Gavin the Coifed ' postures for the cameras, his hair shiny in the lights, demsplaining how ' It was an act of God ! ', unanticipated, letting the insurance companies off the hook for billions in reparations. Recall Newsom ! Recall Bass ! The problem for Newsom and Bass is how to retain power after the fires are extinguished, on Monday. ' Not our fault ! We didn't do it ! ' ' Vote for us again, we'll burn you again ! Ha Ha ! ' Irate citizens surrounding the California legislature with pitchforks and torches demanding Gavin come out. ' Come out ! Come out ! Gavin ! We know you're in there ! ' ' It was Climate Change ! Global Warming ! We didn't do anything ! It's not our fault ! ' Shirking responsibility for draining the reservoirs. ' We can't put out the fires ! There's no water ! ' Idiocracy, like duh..
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There was just now a report about the insurance lack of coverage, specifically mentioning State Farm canceling fire insurance on about 30,000 homes in the area hit by this devasting fire. Was not very complimentary toward State Farm but, the reporter never told the rest of the story and why State Farm canceled these policies.
Apparently, insurance companies have to go to a board that regulates the cost of insurance. State Farm recognize the issues that resulted in the current fire and requested a price increase. The board refused knowing that State Farm would pull out of this insurance market. While it may seem like a heartless situation, State Farm saw this coming or, the potential of it coming. Apparently the approval board didn't.
State Farm is a business and they recognized what could happen. I don't blame State Farm, I blame the leadership in California.
Rams
Multiple insurance companies are actually pulling coverage from their clients in California. They fly over the home with a drone, notice "clutter" in the backyard or side yard, then cancel that person due to being a fire hazard. Most people who buy a home here are declined the fire coverage right off the bat. Insurance companies are getting smart to the "greenie" ways of saving the planet and not trimming trees and shrubs where needed. I can't blame any insurance company for not wanting to cover California homes.
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[ Joe Rogan on California wildfire Dec 12, '24 ] [ Joe Rogan’s LA wildfire prediction , July '24 ] A Fire-Man made the analyzed projection to Joe prior to 2012, likely on set as a professional fire consultant. From the Mountains to the Sea ! fjb too .. . Why aren't the news channel's talking heads projecting total destruction ? ' From the mountains to the sea ' burnt to ashes, a real possibility, nothing to stop the scourge of the fires sweeping across the cities. What ? You're going to put the fires out with your wit ? A sharp retort ? Incandescent heat, totaling the LA Basin, mad arsonist gangs, clandestine Russian terrorists, tossing phosphorus incendiaries into the winds, lighting up the suburbs, overwhelming first responders, the scale far too great. 1906, 'Frisco burnt to ashes during the Quake, the Central Valley flooded in 1862, and the Cascadia M9 will destroy all of the West coast in a few hours, they predict, soon, don't know when exactly, but soon, relatively speaking. You are Doomed ! Sinners Repent ! smh ! It's not like Gavin can do anything to put the fires out, he wouldn't want to ruin his coif, his stylist would be upset. Yeah, it's biblical in scale, a visit to Dante's Inferno, the city of Hades. Satan standing atop the mountain, sweeping his forearm in a vast horizon, napalm lighting up the metropolis end to end. Maybe, a script writer could make a movie about his visit to California and his subjugation of Nancy and Gavin, his minions. ' Yes Master, We will let it burn ! ' ' We are as Phucked as Phucked can be ! ' ' What's the worst that could happen if we empty the reservoirs ? ' Get used to the idea that it will get worse, like, by tomorrow, Friday January 10, '25 fjb and to 'ell with Newsom too.
Will the voting citizens of California hold Newsom accountable? Destroying Dams, not allowing any new reservoirs, allowing a board to basically run insurance corporations out of the state.
Newsom wants to be our next President, if elected will he do for the US what he's done to California?
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Could it get more phucked up ? Stand back and watch this ! Roaming gangs of arsonists, clandestine Russian agents, driving around LA with incendiary mortars mounted in 3/4 ton trucks, Setting the LA basin on fire, acts of war, surprise attack ! ' What are we gonna do Sarge ? What are we gonna do ? ' Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Tokyo, burnt. Yeah, maybe the sheet will hit the fan !
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LA is burning. And the derelict people responsible are worried that they are found out as charlatans and empty suits.
The leftwing voters who enabled them are getting angry over the inferno that their chosen politicos green-lighted—as if they are shocked, shocked by the consequences of their voting.
The dam buster Nero Newsom made his accustomed fiddling appearance and then split—when the media began pointing out that he prohibits new reservoirs, sends precious water out to sea, blows up dams, prevents precautionary gleaning of forests and chaparrals, and then usually blames “Climate change” or “Trump” when called to account.
Poor Karen Bass was DEI-ing in Uganda after being previously warned that lack of rain, record winds, and kindling-like hillsides put her city in existential danger: Out of sight, out of mind.
Or did she junket across the world to consult about fire prevention with Ghana’s new president?
Was slashing nearly $18 million from the $50 billion city budget, after bragging about creating “451 new positions” in various woke/DEI fields, a way to prevent 25-square miles of Dresden-like desolation?
The embattled Fire Chief Kristen Crowley for two years has bragged not of response time, not of preventive strategies to stop fires, not of slashed budgets and water shortages, but instead about her DEI credentials as the “first” (fill in the blanks) LGBTQ etc. woman, who has hired “70 percent” of her force as either nonwhite, or nonmale, or nonbinary, or non-old fashioned, tough-guy firefighters.
The LA utility head? Usually AWOL. The permanent director of LA infrastructure is usually quickly fired or resigns for incompetence, bribery, or malfeasance.
Joe Biden? He was there—but only to try to put thousands of acres of federal land off-limits to roadblock the evil incoming Trump administration.
Did Joe have ideas to save LA? Maybe, but as usual he talked instead about himself—in this case his new great-great grandson and the miraculous salvation of his grandkid’s house (not the 1100 structures that then were ashes). And then he left, dispirited that his last junket to Italy may have to be cancelled.
Kamala Harris, our vice president?
Remember her during the 2024 campaign and how she rushed to Florida to glom onto Gov. De Santis’s masterful performance in dealing with record flooding?
Nowhere was the LA resident to be seen, as she too plans next week a last minute multimillion-dollar freebie junket.
What is the attitude of these “public servants” in times of existential crisis?
Fire officials in Los Angeles have run into a serious snag while trying to contain the nearly half-dozen blazes threatening the city - questions about the water supply.
Wildfires currently cover more than 27,000 acres of Los Angeles County. Five people have died and more than 1,000 structures have been destroyed since the wildfires began. Governor Gavin Newsom told CNN on Wednesday that the county had "depleted all of our resources," and that fire hydrants were completely tapped.
"Those hydrants are typical for two or three fires, maybe one fire. And then you have something at this scale," he told Anderson Cooper.
Satellite imagery of the fires shows them burning only miles away from L.A.'s Pacific Ocean shoreline. How could firefighters run out of water when there's a massive body of it just down the road?
The simple answer is: it's not that simple.
Sea water, in theory, could be used to help a fire. But, its salty components can do more harm than good, which is why firefighters typically avoid using it unless absolutely necessary.
Salt is corrosive, and it can damage metal equipment, including critical equipment in water dumping planes and fire pumps.
According to Technology.org, salt can also reduce the cooling effect of water, meaning salt water can be less efficient as a firefighting tool. Salt water also carries a charge better than fresh water, making it slightly more dangerous for firefighters.
Environmental health is also a concern for fire officials considering the use of salt water for battling blazes. When salt water is dumped in large quantities on a fire, that salt has to go somewhere — typically, into the ground, or it's washed into nearby bodies of water.
Introducing large quantities of salt to areas with significant vegetation — as one might expect at the site of a wildfire — is almost always detrimental.
Raising soil salinity — the salt content of an area's soil — makes it harder for plants to draw water and nutrients from the soil via osmosis. Salt can also make the soil toxic, hamper seedling growth and harm the general permeability — how easily water and nutrients can move through the earth — of the soil.
All of that said, firefighters do sometimes use salt water to fight fires; they just have to be careful and selective about when to employ those methods.
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Hmm Given the choice of saving thousands of homes and protecting lives and property, I'm thinking I'd be telling them to tap into the ocean to help put these fires out. It seems to me that the 6 Ps are applicable here. Proper Planning Prevent Piss Poor Performance. Destroying four dams and not allowing reservoirs to be constructed, not allowing rainwater to be captured and held seems a bit retarded to me. But at least those little fish are good to go. The lack of available home/fire insurance is also a major factor. I sincerely hope Californians figure out who is responsible for the total lack of leadership. One can only imagine how this fire might have been controlled had there only been sufficient water available. The insurance companies saw this coming apparently. ------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
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I am actually living in San Antonio, I just do not want to admit it. I still own my dirt in Bandera.
Locally I have seen four different colored fire hydrants. Red, silver, yellow, and black. I used to wonder "whats up".
It turns out that they are color coded, for different abilities. Some with no pressure (black), meaning you would need a pump truck which could suck water and also discharge. Red is city water pressure fed. I have not researched yellow or silver.
Originally posted by blackrams: Will the voting citizens of California hold Newsom accountable? ...
In a word: 'No.'
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Originally posted by blackrams: Destroying Dams, not allowing any new reservoirs, allowing a board to basically run insurance corporations out of the state. ...
FYI, CA voters approved $ for a new reservoir more than 20 years ago. Now it is (inconveniently) true that not one shovel of dirt has been turned over, yet, but that is because various special interests are ensuring we don't harm our environment ...
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Originally posted by blackrams: Newsom wants to be our next President, if elected will he do for the US what he's done to California?
You are under the misapprehension that a Californian needs to be President to accomplish that mission. As the world's fifth largest economy, California has been pushing its stupid policy onto the rest of the country for the last 40 years, with Blue States following the leader. A President Newsome would certainly accelerate the process, but it is happening already. This is why California needs to be saved from itself or the rest of the country is doomed.
It's early days for facts coming out (before they can be buried or burned) but here is an interesting article from the LA Times (which used to be a staunchly Republican paper back in the day ...):
I like the part where without analysis officials are sure that having a FULL reservoir in the middle of the Pacific Palisades inferno 'wouldn't have made much difference.'
Been following this and it's pretty devastating for sure, I know, we had major bush fires here soon to be 2 years ago with a lot of lost homes. Then I have been following the Canadian water bombers participating (and being the most effective) and they are questioning the environmental impact of using salt water to fight these fires...... Sorry I am out, lets bring our crews home and let that shat hole burn down. get your priorates straight, then give us a ring.
That is how We fight forest / bush / major fires here on the East and West coast of Canada, there is no environmental damage, already our area's that burned are growing back nice and lush.
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Been following this and it's pretty devastating for sure, I know, we had major bush fires here soon to be 2 years ago with a lot of lost homes. Then I have been following the Canadian water bombers participating (and being the most effective) and they are questioning the environmental impact of using salt water to fight these fires...... Sorry I am out, lets bring our crews home and let that shat hole burn down. get your priorates straight, then give us a ring.
That is how We fight forest / bush / major fires here on the East and West coast of Canada, there is no environmental damage, already our area's that burned are growing back nice and lush.
Didn't know Canada sent "Water Bombers" to LA. I'm sure CA residents appreciate the assistance being given. I would also thank those crews if I had the opportunity. I have a life long friend who was working in Canada during to fires you mentioned. He didn't describe it as "bush fires" but, I'll take your description as accurate. He described it as hell. Reference the potential environmental damage, don't force me to have to make the decision on saving my home versus saving my yard.
Using the environmental argument of fresh versus salt water on fires is simply stupid IMO.
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The vivid, heartbreaking images from this week’s Los Angeles wildfires called urgent attention to California’s longtime decline.
But this time, those affected by its bad policies and bad governance include a demographic rarely touched by them: the rich.
Over the last several years, California’s net out-migration numbers set records.
An astounding 343,000 more people left the Golden State than moved to it in 2022, the highest net loss of any state, and 2023 was almost as bad, with a net loss of 268,100.
But the wealthy of California largely stayed put.
It was mostly the lower and middle classes, walloped by notoriously high taxes, mismanagement at every level of government and crumbling infrastructure, who made a run for the door.
The affluent have been largely protected from all that.
They could easily absorb the heavy tax burden and the high costs of housing or gas.
Like Gov. Gavin Newsom, they could avoid their state’s failing public schools and send their kids to private schools instead.
But no water in a fire hydrant is a great equalizer.
Comedian Billy Crystal lost his home — all but its tennis court — in Pacific Palisades.
The homes of actors Anthony Hopkins, Miles Teller and John Goodman were wiped out there, too.
Heiress Paris Hilton said she saw her luxe Malibu vacation house “burn to the ground on live TV.”
It’s unpleasant to talk about the politics that led to the loss of entire neighborhoods, but it’s necessary to examine the terrible policies that led to this preventable disaster.
After over a decade of one-party rule, California has become the testing ground for the left’s most extreme ideas — and we are seeing the results in real time now.
Whether it was cutting the budget of fire departments, not refilling the reservoirs, ignoring deforesting guidelines under pressure from environmentalists or simply deflecting blame, California’s leaders are agonizingly inept — and it shows.
Newsom has been the physical embodiment of the shrugging emoji throughout this crisis.
Asked why there was no water in the hydrants, Newsom passed the buck: “Look, the local folks are trying to figure that out,” he said.
“I mean, those hydrants are typical for two or three fires — maybe one fire and you have something of this scale, but again that’s gonna be determined by the local.”
At least he spoke actual words.
Mayor Karen Bass shut down completely and looked catatonic when she was challenged by a reporter with questions like “Do you regret cutting the Fire Department budget by millions of dollars?” Blank stare.
The worst part is this crisis was entirely predictable — so predictable in fact that incoming president Donald Trump noted California’s ongoing water problem on Joe Rogan’s podcast three months ago.
And even the rich and famous in this lockstep-Democrat town have taken notice, openly wondering why their leadership has failed to such an extent.
“City of LA you want everyone to evacuate yet you have complete gridlock and not one traffic cop on the roads helping,” actress Sarah Michelle Gellar posted on her Instagram, tagging her absent Mayor Bass.
“Your far left policies have ruined our state. And also our party,” progressive-leaning actress Sara Foster scolded Bass and Newsom on X.
“Our reservoirs were emptied by our governor because tribal leaders wanted to save fish.”
Podcaster and comedian Adam Carolla pushed a Change.org petition demanding Bass’ immediate resignation.
“I’m pretty fed up, and I think a lot of people in Los Angeles are pissed,” actress/filmmaker Justine Bateman told Fox News.
“If [our politicians] can’t cover the basics,” like fire and police protection, “then get out . . . you are useless to us.”
Some celebrities physically assisted in the evacuation effort.
Actor Steve Guttenberg moved abandoned cars so emergency vehicles could get through and grabbed a TV news reporter to issue a plea that fleeing residents place their keys in the cars they leave behind.
Where were city and state leaders to send out such a message?
Now California’s rich and famous have a choice: They can move their state in a better direction.
They can break from their usual leftist conformity and speak the plain truth.
National Democrats and their media friends are already shifting to the pretense that this disaster was caused by climate change and not by bungling politicos.
But California’s elites have power — and they can use it to say no, that’s not what happened here.
What’s more, they can demand concrete changes to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
It will take bravery.
Breaking with the left is a difficult thing to do in a sea of deep blue.
Yet the Californians who woke up with this current crisis can’t go back to sleep now.
They have a state to save.
No comment other than to say I found this to the point and very interesting. Celebrities seem to have a lot of pull out there, I guess we'll see how much. Or, will they move to other states? While the film industry is mostly in CA (I think), why stay somewhere so poorly governed...............
Originally posted by IMSA GT: The best part is that the morons at CARB passed a law that bans any crop burning by our farmers. That means when the fruit/almond harvest is completed and they uproot the 1000's of acres of trees to replant, they now have to find somewhere to dispose of those trees instead of burning them, which is the way they have been doing it. Prices will skyrocket yet CARB is so stupid that they think they're saving the environment, meanwhile all the wildfires will continue to provide millions of miles of garbage into the air. I wonder if CARB will sue mother nature?
Crapping on the valley is one of CA's favorite past times. I remember when they decided wood burning stoves were causing too much pollution, and we needed "Spare the Air" days where people were prohibited from using the only means they had to heat their homes so LA and San Francisco could keep dumping pollution into the valley unimpeded.
The US Navy has been fighting fires with salt water for over 100 years both ashore and afloat.
Just an assumption but, I'm thinking the higher ups didn't want to deal with corrosion issues in their pumps, tanks and other equipment but, when such a fire breaks out, someone should have made better decisions when it was realized how big this could have gotten with the limited fresh water supply. This assumes that person was even aware of the limitations and the forecasted weather/winds. Again, this is the kind of thing that happens when people are elected, promoted or hired based on things other than qualifications and expertise. Again, an assumption as it deals with the LA leadership. Obviously, as it pertains to wildfires, there wasn't much planning/consideration.
Rams
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I generally don't care to engage in these types of conversations but this has got to be one of the biggest wake up calls for all!
It's quite hard to fight a wood burning fire without water.
Worries about salt? Tell that to the millions who deal with the effects on their vehicles, run off into fresh water streams and yes fresh water reservoirs and watersheds.
For folks that live on the ocean coast, we'll they have to deal with salt spray as well.
Ok so your against salt water!
Well after the fire has burnt everything, not just homes, business, parks, it has also devastated power lines and anything else above ground.
Years ago I recall a grand plan to pull water from the Great Lakes out west. 1st off, no one has a right to mess with mother nature. 2nd where would this additional water to come to make up for those who wish to live in dryer climates?
I feel for the many people affected by this and pray they and the people who contributed to this mess learn something from it.
Using salt water while devastating would not have the billions of dollars required to restore the infrastructure so many depend on.
Oh but wait who gets to foot the bill for this ****!
I generally don't care to engage in these types of conversations but this has got to be one of the biggest wake up calls for all!
It's quite hard to fight a wood burning fire without water.
Worries about salt? Tell that to the millions who deal with the effects on their vehicles, run off into fresh water streams and yes fresh water reservoirs and watersheds.
For folks that live on the ocean coast, we'll they have to deal with salt spray as well.
Ok so your against salt water!
Well after the fire has burnt everything, not just homes, business, parks, it has also devastated power lines and anything else above ground.
Years ago I recall a grand plan to pull water from the Great Lakes out west. 1st off, no one has a right to mess with mother nature. 2nd where would this additional water to come to make up for those who wish to live in dryer climates?
I feel for the many people affected by this and pray they and the people who contributed to this mess learn something from it.
Using salt water while devastating would not have the billions of dollars required to restore the infrastructure so many depend on.
Oh but wait who gets to foot the bill for this ****!
Pissed!
Well stated!
Rams
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Reported on NBC this morning that over fifty applications have been received for destruction financial assistance of just one property in this fire. Yep, Scammers are at it again!! Our President said the feds would pay 100% of that assistance for six months, one has to wonder if, anyone is even vetting these applications or, just sending out checks.
Rams
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Ironic isn't it. A sanctuary city burns, an illegal alien allegedly responsible for setting a fire is possibly kept from the feds. If, found guilty, Biden will deny responsibility. The irony is so thick, ya can't cut it.
The California wild fires just got more tragic. Hunter Biden is claiming millions of dollars of his paintings were destroyed during the LA fires.
Do I smell insurance fraud ?
Also, I heard that the LA fire will push the # 10 worst wild fire off the list of ten worst. Still on the list are the other nine which happened in California. That should be called a clue.
The California wild fires just got more tragic. Hunter Biden is claiming millions of dollars of his paintings were destroyed during the LA fires.
Do I smell insurance fraud ?
Well dang! Here I was gonna buy a couple of them. The cat needs something in the litter box.
Reference fraud. Were the paintings insured/covered? If so, by Hunter or by his lawyer's home insurance? I doubt the insurance company will accept a owner's valuation. Those paintings were in fact stored because no one wanted to buy them is my understanding. I'm thinking I and only other cat owners were most likely the ones having any use for them. (The cat is actually my wife's.) Maybe folks with bird cages could use them.
Rams
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Joe Rogan Reacts to Gavin Newsom's creepy press bit. Thinking.. I think Newsom's political career is toasted, fini, done, kaput, ixnay, pucked, burnt. Arrest the incompetent communist, tarring, feathering, binding him in a burlap potato sack, lit up, mounted backwards on an electric rail service cart, bound for Tijuana. ' Feeling the heat, handsome ? ' A fitting end to a posturing narcissist, a megalomaniac wannabee dictator, truly insane. ' We didn't do nothing, it's not our fault ! Global Warming did it ! Donny Trump did it ! Not me ! Republicans are Nazis ! Elon is a Nazi ! The fire ? We can't put it out ! There's no water in the hydrants ! The wind came out of nowhere, again ! Fire burned Palisades because fire is hot ! ' Running out of the California Legislature with his hair on fire would end the madness in Sacramento, ruination of the utterly corrupt self admirer, coiffed no more. A Roman ending, a tragedy on the Coast, Karma, the laws of probability. Romanian Roman ending Dec.25 '89 ' You can't allow LA to burn and not expect to feel the heat Gavin ! '
Meteorologist are now predicting rain in the LA area. No doubt this will help the fire fighters. They can now turn their attention to the expected mudslides.
This should probably be posted in P&R, move it if necessary.
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