Yes...That was a bit of a p!ss-take...and not very fair.But then, when is the Media ever fair? Hope it doesnt detract from your efforts to sell it And I am glad to see I´m not alone in hating the Media machine..How did you come to own it, Pokey? You really are a Pandora´s Box, now, ain´t cha? Nick
I’m wondering what you are doing with an idiot realtor like Todd who hasn’t sold it for more than what you are asking for it. And allowing it to be advertised like this.
Just wondering what all those buildings are around the island? Are they by chance a fish canning company?
Why if you have been offered more than the asking piece haven’t you sold it yet? Sounds a little Fishy to me.
Nothing against the owner, I just think he has a real bad realtor.
If I was offered over my asking price for my place I would sell in a heartbeat. But then I don’t have a Realtor like you. Got to increase your profit, right Todd!
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I’m wondering what you are doing with an idiot realtor like Todd who hasn’t sold it for more than what you are asking for it. And allowing it to be advertised like this.
Todd got it "advertized" on 3 television stations and in the Parade magazine (nation wide). That's FREE advertizing, to those keeping score. BTW, I've known the seller for about 5 years, and is a good friend of mine. He's been trying to sell the island for about 2 years. Todd came along, and now they have more offers than they can handle...
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If I was offered over my asking price for my place I would sell in a heartbeat. But then I don’t have a Realtor like you. Got to increase your profit, right Todd!
..AND they are all over asking price. Which means that the OWNER will be making more money (profit). Now it's just a matter of sorting the offers to find the highest one that is viable.
BTW, Todd jsut sold my house in the east bay, which is the absoulute WORST market in the bay area right now. And he found me my current house with a 2100sq ft shop on an acre...here in the bay area.
Geez, dude, take a chill pill. And get some facts! And what the hell is your aversion to people making a profit, anyway?
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I wish I'd used Todd when I bought my house here in Raleigh - or at least someone he recommended. My realtor was a useless waste of skin. I did all the legwork. I found the house. I made the deal. I handled the inspection walkthroughs.... all of it. All she did was show up to sign the papers to get her commission. I'd like that job.
Yes...That was a bit of a p!ss-take...and not very fair.But then, when is the Media ever fair? Hope it doesnt detract from your efforts to sell it And I am glad to see I´m not alone in hating the Media machine..How did you come to own it, Pokey? You really are a Pandora´s Box, now, ain´t cha? Nick
Not to worry. ALL PR is good PR! We're flooded with interest.
I’m wondering what you are doing with an idiot realtor like Todd who hasn’t sold it for more than what you are asking for it. And allowing it to be advertised like this.
Just wondering what all those buildings are around the island? Are they by chance a fish canning company?
Why if you have been offered more than the asking piece haven’t you sold it yet? Sounds a little Fishy to me.
Nothing against the owner, I just think he has a real bad realtor.
If I was offered over my asking price for my place I would sell in a heartbeat. But then I don’t have a Realtor like you. Got to increase your profit, right Todd!
Amazing, Simply amazing. All that stupidity squeezed into one single human life form.
I wish I'd used Todd when I bought my house here in Raleigh - or at least someone he recommended. My realtor was a useless waste of skin. I did all the legwork. I found the house. I made the deal. I handled the inspection walkthroughs.... all of it. All she did was show up to sign the papers to get her commission. I'd like that job.
Unfortunately there are far too many agent like this out there who only see $ signs in their eyes and don't understand that it is our job to help our client meet THEIR goals. For that reason I maintian the highest standards of professionalism, education, and work ethic.
The best compliment I can receive is the referrals of my friends and satisfied clients.
Gee, I guess I must have imagined all those Humvees and Guardsman down there then.
As usual, you have no clue what you're talking about. The governor (a very liberal democrat) was complaining about not having the resources. When asked what she needed that she didn't have, she said "I'm not sure, it just makes sense that since they're over in Iraq they're not here when we need them". Pure political BS. I used to like her. Even voted for her once.
John Stricker
Yeah, and Barak Hussein Obama, the junior Senator from Illinois who is running for President, said that 10,000 people were killed. It was a "mistake", of course.
10,000 people in a county with a population of 3,000.
I’m wondering what you are doing with an idiot realtor like Todd who hasn’t sold it for more than what you are asking for it. And allowing it to be advertised like this.
Just wondering what all those buildings are around the island? Are they by chance a fish canning company?
Why if you have been offered more than the asking piece haven’t you sold it yet? Sounds a little Fishy to me.
Nothing against the owner, I just think he has a real bad realtor.
If I was offered over my asking price for my place I would sell in a heartbeat. But then I don’t have a Realtor like you. Got to increase your profit, right Todd!
I don't like you at all, and I think you're doing a great job. I hope it goes for a million.
I gotta agree. I'll give credit where credit is due.
I have no doubt that the property is a great buy for someone, and will sell for well above the asking price. Todd has apparently done a fine job of marketing this unique property.
Some of you may not realize that Pokey kept shoring up that old shack because once it falls down you will never be permitted to build on that land. It will be pretty much useless. As it is, you could rebuild the house as it once was. You MAY be permitted to build a nicer, taller house on the same footprint.You MAY be allowed to build a small dock. Want to open a marina? nudist resort? Seafood restaurant? Forget it. You'll probably never be able to get the necessary permits. You WILL have to pay huge dollars to have that old boat removed. Sooner or later, you will be forced to. No way could you build a bridge and subdivide it for homes. I may have missed a detail, and I'm sure Toddster will point out any error, but whoever finally buys this island better have a ton of money over and above the purchase price.
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Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Want to open a marina? nudist resort? Seafood restaurant?
Not true. There are certain recreational uses that would be permitted. The entire area has a "delta recreation zone" or something. I know, because I tried to buy property about a mile down the slough from Pokey.
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You'll never be able to get the necessary permits. You WILL have to pay huge dollars to have that old boat removed. Sooner or later, you will be forced to.
I'm interested in your explanation of why...
1. you HAVE to
2. you'd WANT to
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I gotta agree. I'll give credit where credit is due.
I have no doubt that the property is a great buy for someone, and will sell for well above the asking price. Todd has apparently done a fine job of marketing this unique property.
Some of you may not realize that Pokey kept shoring up that old shack because once it falls down you will never be permitted to build on that land. It will be pretty much useless. As it is, you could rebuild the house as it once was. You MAY be permitted to build a nicer, taller house on the same footprint.You MAY be allowed to build a small dock. Want to open a marina? nudist resort? Seafood restaurant? Forget it. You'll never be able to get the necessary permits. You WILL have to pay huge dollars to have that old boat removed. Sooner or later, you will be forced to. No way could you build a bridge and subdivide it for homes. I may have missed a detail, and I'm sure Toddster will take great pleasure in pointing out any error, but whoever finally buys this island better have a ton of money.
The ship is made cedar and is in extremely good condition. It is floating and does not leak at all. The outer layer is about an inch or so thick and is considered sacrificial. Inner layers are criss crossed thick lumber all pinned together with brass screws to about 7 inches thick. Then there is an inner layer. There are about five solid bulkheads all to the height of the second deck except the first rear one. Anything dangerous has been removed also. Many people have offered to buy the ship itself. I was once offered 200,000 just for the ship and declined.It was all cleaned up at the time and I lived there. Except for the vandals basically ransacking and destroying the living quarters it would take no more to rebuild it than any home that was stripped and vandalized. The ship has a title and cf numbers. It is in no danger nor is it a hazard and is on private property as it floats with in my property so it doesn't need to go anywhere and never should need to unless for beautification needs and only if it is cheaper done in dry dock.
As far as using the property for any business purpose it can be used for many things. Agriculture being primary and recreational being secondary. Recreational uses are even promoted and the state has program loans for uses such as gas docks , boat jet ski paddle boat rental,safe swim area,emergency repair assist,store, Picnic, Restroom shower facility's and day night docking. If it were connected to land they would pay for a launch ramp and restrooms if you agree to launch for a set fee. As far as building docks or marinas it is allowed. Because it is an island makes it cool but it doesn't make it an endangered species for crying out loud.
The house on the property is shored up on purpose so I won't have a residency issue this is true. The home has been there since the 40's and letting the grandfather die would be stupid. Building on the island is not some taboo. It has zoning and guidelines like any other place. So I wonder why you talk with such certainty while you actually have no realistic knowledge of this particular property. I could raise the land and put a modular home on it or build one from scratch. I could drop poles into the hardpan and build a home on stilts or crane a made one onto a stilted platform either way it wouldn't even be very high as my island is actually higher than the main land.
The great thing about my island is the services it has. Sewer,water and electricity from mainland are what makes this place unique. Then the close proximity to land and the marina,store,berthing,designated parking,private dock bathrooms with showers,berth electricity w/water and roof. Also being 10 minutes land wise from Bentwood shopping,restraunts the two best schools in the county and dead center water wise from most of the water attractions. There are 6 restaurant's within a 13 minute radius and most have great night life. Been out the last two nights actually and all of today.
The truth about it is it will need some one with money to fulfill any of the possible uses and while in the past I had plenty of heath and gumption to trade in lieu of money I don't now.
For statements like "it is pretty much useless" all I can say is you must be used to failure. I'm not. All I have ever seen is potential and more every day. I wish I could keep it. Heck every day I try and figure out a way. I would rather have the island and ship than the money but it seems to be one or the other not both. I may yet figure out a way but one thing for sure is I won't lose.
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I stand corrected. My statement was based on my knowledge of similar properties in Florida. I assumed that California regulations would be as restrictive as those of Florida, if not more so. Its a hell of a property and I know you hate to part with it, Pokey.
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The ship is actually registered and has valid CF numbers (although technically they have to be displayed on the hull of the ship and currently are not. But also, the ship is docked on private property. the property line actually extends beyond the harbor the ship is docked in.
It can stay, and you can do anything you like with it since it needs no building permits!
I'm not big on acknowledging praise but I am glad to see you can separate personal philosophical differences from professional skills Neptune. I appreciate it.
Jeff, I guess that was a compliment. Thanks.
Anyway, I'm showing the island again tomorrow and I am pretty sure we will have this thing sold by the end of the week.
Also, by way fo example, Pokey had this place listed for sale with another agent before me; a local agent who knew the area very well. Once for $250,000 and once for $200,000. The agent offered a 5% commission to the selling agent and got not one offer after over 7 months. I am offering the island for $399,000 and I am giving only 3% to the selling agent. I have over 100 inquires and multiple offers, the smallest of which is the asking price.
This is not meant to be a "look at me, I'm wonderful" point but it is meant to show the difference between people who just have a Real Estate license (easy to get) and people who sell real estate for a living. Marketing is a difficult science to master and the key to success is not selling the "property" but selling the dream and creating a sense of urgency. It is about showing what this could be for the right buyer with the vision and fortitude to make it happen.
That is why I tell people, whether it is Real Estate or anything else, GET A PRO! They are worth it.
Well, you'll never get any business from me, so take what you can get.
Noted. But just in case the issue was ever in doubt, and not to put too fine a point on it, I would never take you on as a client. Not for personal reasons, I have lots of clients who aren't exactly drinking buddies. But you are one of those people who are impossible to please. Satisfying you would be tantamount to climbing mount everest in winter, naked, with a 250 pound lead ball chained to my ankle. As much as I like a challenge I just don't have that much of a masochistic streak in me. Having said that, everybody has a right to competent representation and a right to pursue the property of their dreams. And since you do at least respect my professional skills, if you ever need a good agent, drop me a line and I'll be happy to refer you to one.
That invitation goes for anyone else here on PFF at any time.
Well it started one day while I was leaning on a parts counter. A fellow I had done business withand kinda a friend sees me and says "hey! Have I got just what you are looking for and just don't know it yet" I asked him what that might be. He begins unfolding this story of an old guy looking to move his wife of to Oregon and he needs to sell his place quik. I told him sorry. Even for cheap just to resell I was kinda low on capital right now. He says come out and look at it any way. Ok I say and he then tells me it is an island with a ship. I was intriged but what got me moving was when he told me of the indoor swimming pool. After I got look at the place there was no going back. He wanted a lot for the place so I offered him what I could afford and not really cause I didn't even have that much. He stammered a lot and took the deal.
That is the long story short of it. In the end Todd is making me a bunch of money on it I guess but I would trade the money to do it all over again if I could. Best times of my life and I have done some krazy chit man.
Noted. But just in case the issue was ever in doubt, and not to put too fine a point on it, I would never take you on as a client. Not for personal reasons, I have lots of clients who aren't exactly drinking buddies. But you are one of those people who are impossible to please. Satisfying you would be tantamount to climbing mount everest in winter, naked, with a 250 pound lead ball chained to my ankle. As much as I like a challenge I just don't have that much of a masochistic streak in me.
Doesn't that last comment suggest that this thread really belongs in THE MALL?
I'm not selling anything. I don't charge you to hook you up with a competent realtor in your area. I DO charge the realtor a nominal finders fee but in the end you end-up with quality representation at no cost to you. Just part of the service.
Hey, I know as much about your wife as you do any of my financial dealings. If you want to play the slander and innuendo game, it can go 2 ways.
At least I didn't call you an uncle f*cker.
You see Stimpy, this is the problem. I never MADE a comment about your financial dealings, but in your own ego centrist clouded mind you seem to have managed, yet agaqin, to contort the meaning of every comment into a personal attack. I know this is hard to grasp Jeff but I don't think about you. I don't sit in little corners working out my evil plots to make your life difficult, and I don't invest any energy on the matter of your happiness (or lack thereof). To put it bluntly, I don't care. You are a nobody Jeff. I reserve my energy for somebody's. Even Euterpe has a brain, if nothing else. What do you have? What do you give of yourself? what do you do to make other people's lives better? Nothing. when you die, no one will come to your funeral, no one will cry, no one will mourn. That's sad. It really is. My advice? Simple, become a somebody. Define your life NOT by what you think people owe you but by what you give them. Givers are mourned, Takers are not. Become someone people want to hang around with because you add value to their lives and guess what, you'll find friends around every corner. Or as my dad once told me, " you can make 1000 friends faster by getting interested in other people than you can make 1 friend by trying to get other people interested in you".
My comments about your mental health are simply stating a matter of record. Just as I did when I outed Euterpe's rape. She let it slip in an age old thread when she remarked about her "experience" with it, I just restated it when she got on someone's case for no reason. That does not make it an attack, just a fact. And if I might offer a word of tactical advice, you will not win any points bringing that arguement up since Euterpe staved off complete banishment by making a well timed retreat.
The game, as you put it, is something only you are playing. And you are playing with a lousy hand.
This is the point where you step away from the keyboard for a solid week and think about all of this. Hear from you again next Tuesday.
OK, back to the topic...if I may,
We showed the island again today and I am showing it again on Thrusday. We look to have all the serious buyers we are going to get but continue to get inquiries. We will probably be in contract within a few days and close within 2 weeks. Stay tuned.
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My bad, when you stated that you would never accept my business because I am impossible to please, I assumed that meant in financial dealings. I don't know what other manners you are "pleasing" your clients, I am naive enough to believe that would be constrained to financial dealings. When you make a statement like that, you have never been in any position to be expected to "please" me, so you really don't know what you are talking about. You're just casting around pejoritives. So even if I didn't live out of your market (which I do) and expected to buy a home in California (which I don't) I guess I still wouldn't use you, because, not to put too fine a point on it, you're a total prick. There are plenty of people on this forum who have done business with me quite satifactorily for both parties.
Sorry about taking a shot which included your wife. That was ill advised and unfair.
15 UNIT AWARDS and CITATIONS Armed Forces Expeditionary Medals (2) Republic of Vietnam Meritorious Unit Citations Gallantry (6) & Vietnam Service Medals (7).
The sixth Advance (MSO-510) was laid down on 28 June 1955 at Boothbay Harbor, Maine, by Frank L. Sample, Jr., Inc; launched on 12 July 1956; sponsored by Mrs. Allen H. Sturges; and commissioned on 16 June 1958, Lt. Coleman T. Brown in command. The minesweeper completed her outfitting in Boothbay Harbor and, after a stop at Boston for additional preparations, headed south for Charleston, S.C., near the end of the second week in July. She arrived at that port on 15 July and conducted four weeks of shakedown training. On 12 August, the ship began the long passage to the west coast and her permanent assignment. She made stops at Key West, Fla., and at Havana, Cuba, before transiting the Panama Canal late in August. She entered port at Long Beach Calif. on 7 September. For the remainder of 1958, the minesweeper engaged in various training missions out of Long Beach. The year 1959 began with her carrying out more of the same type of duty, along with various Pacific Mine Force competitions and inspections. On 1 April 1959, Advance entered the Long Beach Naval Shipyard for post-shakedown availability and extensive modernization work to her main propulsion plant. The minesweeper resumed local operations in the fall of 1959 and continued to be so engaged until late in the summer of 1960. On 31 August of that year, she stood out of Long Beach for her first deployment to the western Pacific. She made stops at Pear! Harbor and at Midway Island before arriving in Yokosuka, Japan, on 28 September. For a little more than four months, Advance conducted training operations untie other ships of the 7th Fleet as well as with units of the navies of Taiwan and Korea. She also visited various Korean Japanese, Taiwanese, and Philippine ports. On 11 February 1961, the ship stood out of Subic Bay in the Philippines in company with the other ships of Mine Division (MinDiv) 92 bound for the United States. After stops at Guam, Midway and Pearl Harbor, she arrived back in Long Beach on 25 March. Early the following month the vessel entered a civilian shipyard at Long Beach for post-deployment repairs. In May, she resumed operations along the west coast with units of the 1st Fleet. Advance continued that employment over the next 14 months. She embarked upon her second deployment to the western Pacific on 2 July 1962 and arrived at Subic Bay on 13 August. During the following two months, she made goodwill stops at various islands in the Philippines. In mid-October, the minesweeper moved to Okinawa where she participated in the 7th Fleet's Exercise "Lone Eagle." From there she steamed to Sasebo Japan, for a series of repairs which included the replacement of her port outboard main engine. On 5 December, the ship stood out of Sasebo bound for Hong Kong in which port she remained for a week before returning to Subic Bay late in December. On 27 December 1962, she began the long voyage back to Long Beach and re-entered her home port on 8 February 1963 after stops at Guam, Midway, and Pearl Harbor. Post-deployment leave and upkeep followed. On 15 March, she resumed local operations out of Long Beach and devoted the remainder of 1963 and the first nine months of 1964 to type training, inspections, regular overhaul, and competitive exercises. On 28 September 1964, the minesweeper sailed from Long Beach on her third assignment to the 7th Fleet in the western Pacific. En route she made the usual stop at Pearl Harbor plus one each at Johnston Island, Kwajalein Atoll, Guam, and Okinawa before entering port at Sasebo on 23 November. After a repair period at that Japanese port the vessel got underway on 7 December for mine exercises in co-operation with the Taiwanese Navy. She carried out that mission in waters near Taiwan between 11 and 17 December and then headed for Hong Kong where her crew celebrated Christmas. Departing Hong Kong on 27 December, she arrived at Subic Bay on the 30th. Advance spent the first five weeks of 1965 in upkeep at Subic Bay and, on 7 February, headed for her first combat tour in the recently escalated war in South Vietnam. She cruised the coastal waters of South Vietnam for about two weeks with Task Group (TG) 76.5, returning to Subic Bay on 22 February. She remained in Subic Bay for a fortnight and then headed back to Vietnam on 7 March. The minesweeper conducted special operations off the coast of South Vietnam until 9 April and then shaped a course for Australia. She arrived in Brisbane, Australia, on 30 April, and spent about a week engaged in the festivities celebrating the Allied victory in the Battle of the Coral Sea in May 1942. During the second week in May, the warship visited Sydney, Australia then made a four-day stop at Kembla, Australia; and got underway on 19 May to return home. She made stops at Fiji, American Samoa, Johnston Island, and Pearl Harbor before re-entering Long Beach on 26 June. Following post-deployment standdown Advance cruised the waters of the American Pacific coast until late in August when she began regular overhaul at a civilian shipyard. Although this work ended on 24 November, the ship remained moored at Long Beach for the rest of the year. Refresher and type training occupied her time until mid-May 1966. On 16 May' she departed Long Beach and headed back to the western Pacific. She made stops along the way at Pear! Harbor, Johnston Island, Kwajalein Atoll, and Guam. At the latter island, the minesweeper underwent a 10-day repair period. She arrived in the Far East on 5 July. Eleven days later, she embarked upon her first Vietnam patrol of that deployment Until mid-August, the minesweeper conducted missions in Operation "Market Time." the ongoing patrols to interdict communist waterborne logistics efforts. Her guns spoke in anger for the first time in her career on the second day of the patrol. A group of three junks refused to heave to when so ordered. Advance and an accompanying "swift" boat opened fire and promptly destroyed all three. Later in the patrol, the warship encountered a disabled cargo junk and towed it to a friendly village. She concluded the first patrol period of the deployment on 26 August when she entered Sasebo, Japan, for repairs. She departed Sasebo on 10 September and' after a diversion to Subic Bay, took up her patrol station on the 24th. She cruised Vietnamese waters for 16 days and then departed the area on October for upkeep at Subic Bay. Twenty days later, she headed back to Vietnam for her third "Market Time" patrol of the deployment. During that tour she participated in one salvage operation and two search and rescue missions. On 19 November, Advance left Vietnamese waters once more, this time bound for Kaohsiung, Taiwan, for a tender availability alongside Isle Royal (AD-29). She departed Taiwan on 11 December for an eight-day visit to Hong Kong before resuming "Market Time", operations late that month. The minesweeper concluded another quiet patrol on 1 February 1967 and set a course for Subic Bay. She completed repairs there on 10 February and set out for home. The warship underwent repairs at Guam between 18 February and 5 March and then resumed her voyage back to the United States She made stops at Kwajalein, Johnston Island, and Pearl Harbor before arriving back in Long Beach on 5 April 1967. After post-deployment leave and upkeep, Advance embarked upon normal west coast operations. These included amphibious exercises an operational readiness inspection, and type training. In mid June, she was also called upon to spend two days shadowing a Soviet intelligence-gathering ship disguised as a trawler. Normal operations continued through the summer and into the fall. On 15 November, the ship entered a civilian shipyard in Long Beach for her regular overhaul which lasted through the end of 1967 and the first four months of 1968. On 6 May, she put to sea for post-overhaul shakedown and refresher training. Such employment continued until early in September. On 9 September 1968, Advance stood out of Long Beach bound for the western Pacific once more. After the usual stops at Pearl Harbor, Johnston Island, Kwajalein, and Guam, as well as one at Yap Island, she arrived in Subic Bay in late November. On 25 November, she once agate took up duties in Vietnamese waters, this time serving as barrier ship for the familiar "Market Time" patrol. Advance continued to alternate periods on "Market Time'' patrol with repair and leave periods in various ports through the first week in March 1969. Later that month, she headed for home. After about a year of normal operations along the west coast, Advance was deployed to the western Pacific in the spring of 1970 for the fifth and final time of her career. She conducted operations along the Vietnamese coast for two extended periods during the summer of 1970 before returning to the west coast that fall. In December 1970, Advance was placed out of commission and was berthed with the Mare Island Group, Pacific Reserve Fleet. Her name was apparently struck from the Navy list between 1 October and 31 December 1976. She was transferred by sale to Mr. Oskco Edwards of Capistrano Beach, Calif., on 6 January 1977 Advance (MSO-510) earned five battle stars during the Vietnam conflict. Market time if you don't have this It is on record when the ships MSO'S & MSC were on market time in 1966. We were sent by the fleet Commander to SWEEP the TONKIN Gulf ,well we were sweeping and of course nothing worked right.There was at least ONE MSC with us and one night a sword fish went through the hull of the MSC's 1/4 plywood .Well after that the Fleet Commander ordered planes to fly over and drop bombs, well after the bomb run the fleet Commander sent a message to all ships saying he thought the bombs might of got the mines but he was sure it was safe for MSC's because the bomb killed all the sword fish. A message was sent. I was sent from the Advance to MINRON 11 det A.I went to sere school and all, was wounded there and the doctors kept me on limited duty till I had 20 in. MSO were interesting ,but NHA BE was even more messed up took about one day in country and you knew no one was in charge at the overall level. Units did pretty much what the CIA told them to do. The base CO at NHA BE told me that the CIA had no overall control of things.However the Base CO could not go in the SEAL BKS or did he have access to the units orders.
Wilton Wilson 1966-67 (Nha Be was a Naval Support Activity)
i was wondering if you really were a big enough piece of crap to state this claim again openly, rather than the coy reference you made in your reply to me.
congratulations, the depth of your sleaze has surprised even me.
for those who don't follow the sewage lines around here, todd spent a great deal of effort asserting that my online character is necessarily a consequence of being a rape survivor. it's a perfect position for him to take first, because it's neither provable nor disprovable, and thus is handy as a persistent slander; and second, because it makes me either an object of pity - and hence, a subject of emotional dominance - or a "victim", whose every unwelcome utterance can be dismissed as either pathological or a play to victimhood.
he knows it's a losing proposition, but being a creepy little monomaniac, he clings to it anyway. as i've said before, what's really disgusting about it isn't the claim itself, but that he seems to think that the possibility of a history of sexual abuse is a debating tool.
for the record, it's not true. i even think he knows it, but having staked so much of his delusion of infallibility on it, there's no way he can back down. if i were actually a rape survivor, his continuing harping on it as a silencing tactic would be brutally sexist. as it is, it's just blindingly stupid.
and that really is all i'm going to say about it, because todd is going to respond to this in as self-aggrandizing a manner as possible, and this entire thread is going right into the trash can if i continue to take his ridiculous bait.
sheesh. what a poltroon.
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And I am glad to see I´m not alone in hating the Media machine..How did you come to own it, Pokey? You really are a Pandora´s Box, now, ain´t cha? 
It was a "mistake", of course. 
