edit: ^^^ LS2, that's a good start. Now take that as a baseline and wow us with a turbo LS2 putting 600 to the ground. Run 10's and claim your victory at the top of the 1/4 mile list.
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Originally posted by Archie: Customer comes in from California, to attend Dells show and display his car. Discuss.
You know I love your cars. It would just be nice to see some *performance* behind those good looks. You started a V8 swap business, not a body shop, right?
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You know I love your cars. It would just be nice to see some *performance* behind those good looks. You started a V8 swap business, not a body shop, right?
Get lost, we're sick of hearing from ya.
If you were on the phone I'd a hung up a long time ago.
You know I love your cars. It would just be nice to see some *performance* behind those good looks. You started a V8 swap business, not a body shop, right?
Well the Union and I went for a nice long drive today and let me tell you, she performs. I've owned a lot of sports cars in my day, but this one is a "gem". Thanks Archie
You started a V8 swap business, not a body shop, right?
Thanks for reminding me...........
The ONLY shop in the world dedicated to building ONLY Fieros & NOT working on Stock Fieros. In operation continously for 19 years and counting. Discuss.
Well the Union and I went for a nice long drive today and let me tell you, she performs. I've owned a lot of sports cars in my day, but this one is a "gem". Thanks Archie
You're very welcome Troy.
Tomorrow when you have the car outside, get some nice pictures of the car with that Best Of Show trophy, for me will you?
ZZPerformance has Zoomer - the guy with the FWD 12.61 grand prix; seats 4 in luxury. I knew I should have added a couple more seats when I did the V-8 swap. Then I could have been a contender.
Do you have a link to where we can buy that 302 HP 3.6L V6 now? I can show you a number of places where you can get a ZZ4 that puts out more than that - to the rear wheels, stock. (I take it the 302 HP figure is flywheel HP, so installed in a car it's closer to 260 HP (figuring about the same losses as Orief's ZZ4 swap)
(not necessarily directed at formula88)
A few questions...
1. Someone posted the 3.6 is going into some Caddys. Will it be going into any other models? 2. Will it come from the factory mated to a manual?
As a satisfied customer (my LS 2 car is shown at the top of this page), I feel obligated to contribute a few words to this thread. For about ten years my car had a Miller Woods/Design One turbo on the 2.8 V6. Was it waster than a stock Fiero? Yes. Could I have gotten a little more performance out of it? Yes. Reliably? MAYBE. Could I have dropped a SC 3800 into the car? Yes. Could I have achieved the level of performance that the stock LS 2 provides? Probably. Reliably? Not so sure about this one.
I wanted a powerful engine that was performing as the factory intended - and Archie helped me to achieve that goal. Aside from sitting at the wrong end of the car (and sideways at that!) the engine is utterly stock - and it makes the car faster than any other car I've ever driven or been in. Was it cheap? No. I am certain that I would have spent a lot less if I had gone the SC3800 route - but that wasn't the engine I wanted (one forced induction V6 was enough!). Was it done right, on time, the first time? YES. I wanted a modern, new (zero miles), V8. And that's what I got. Oh, and a new 6 speed transmission (BTW, who was the first person to do the 6 speed transmission swap?).
I've put a little under 2000 miles on the car since the swap (I put in about 60 hours/week at the office and this by necessity is a weekend car). Problems? NONE. Have I pushed it hard? Yep. And nothing has broken yet. It doesn't even get terribly hot - a tribute to a well designed engine.
Remember folks, this is America. If ANYONE out there is certain that they can do a better job than Archie, YOU ARE FREE TO DO SO! Start your own business and put your life (finances, health, marriage, sanity, etc) on the line. Until you do so, your comments will not carry the same weight as Archie's.
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edit: ^^^ LS2, that's a good start. Now take that as a baseline and wow us with a turbo LS2 putting 600 to the ground. Run 10's and claim your victory at the top of the 1/4 mile list.
You know I love your cars. It would just be nice to see some *performance* behind those good looks. You started a V8 swap business, not a body shop, right?
"V8 Archie"- I never really thought about it before, I'm so used to seeing all the body mod stuff, I can't remember any archie engine build threads... Maybe it should be V8-Body Archie.
edit: ^^^ LS2, that's a good start. Now take that as a baseline and wow us with a turbo LS2 putting 600 to the ground. Run 10's and claim your victory at the top of the 1/4 mile list.
You know I love your cars. It would just be nice to see some *performance* behind those good looks. You started a V8 swap business, not a body shop, right?
I would imagine the "Possabilities" of a super charger or twin turbos on top of a LS2 are endless using this latest creation w/o clearance issues and all in-house.
I haven't seen no other shops willing to take the Fiero [theme] to new heights. Thats why I asked Archie to build my Fiero dream cars and now {Archie} is known as a Custom Build Shop too, hehe.
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Originally posted by ryan.hess: For all the people b***ing about not comparing stock motors to stock motors, one could argue that that's not a stock engine, never slated or installed in a stock car, and never warrantied for 100,000 miles. (that's not directed at you) I bet it sounds like hell too. The 3.6 is going into butter smooth 600 rpm idle cadillacs in model year 2008. You will be able to buy them this fall.
Bone stock 400 HP LS2 - Archie's installed a few of those already. Not 400 HP at the wheels, but at the crank. Or how about an LS2 crate engine that does 446 HP? To get the extra 46 HP, GM dumped the high tech FI system and put a carburetor on it. Or pop for a 505 HP LS7. Bone stock - smooth idle and mid to high 20's mpg on the Highway.
You act like if it wasn't your idea, it's the wrong way to do it.
First my observation... I have only had my 3800SC Sreies II in and running now for only about 4 months. I have been to 4 different car shows including D7. GKDINC has to been to all the same shows with me and we always park together as we are friends and live close to one another. Away from the car shows (gas stations, hobby shops, grocery stores etc..) I get a lot of people who comment on my car and then when they see the motor they are like cool! I Always tell these people about the forum and all the other different motors that people do in a Fiero. I always bring up the fact that I have a friend (GKDINC) who has a Chevy small block 350 in his and know a guy in Miami (Clem) who has a Corvette LT1 in his fiero. At this point people are amazed and want to hear more about the V8 cars. It seems to me (I could be wrong) that a V8 in a Fiero is more of a WOW factor so to speak. It has been argued on this forum a thousand times that the 3800SC is faster than the V8's. Whether or not it is true I can not say. All I can say is that when GKDINC and I went to D7, I followed him up there cause he knew the way and I had never been to Daytona before. At 1 point we got a little spirited with the driving and I had no problem keeping up with him. I am not saying that my 3800SC is faster nor am I saying that his V8 is faster. My point is this... a V8 (to most people) is more of a wow factor than a 6cyl. A V8 has a very nice sound and everyone on earth knows a V6 does not sound like a V8. Doing a motor swap in a Fiero is completely the owners choice. If the owner choses a V8 he knows what he wants and the same applies to a 6cyl. It has been my understanding that Archie does not build motors that he only installs the customers pre bought motor or Archie will order a motor for the customer. Now I am sure that if someone wanted Archie to build a motor, and was willing to pay for the service, Archie would probably do it. Of course I could be wrong on this too as I have not talked to Archie about it. Archie was kind enough to talk to me at D7 about his chop tops. I plan to take my car to him when I can put the funds together for it. At no point did Archie put down my car cause it has a 3800SC in it nor did he refuse to work on my car because of the motor. I chose Archie cause I have seen his work first hand and I believe he does great work and has a proven track record.
Now to my question... Who on this forum has installed a V8 into their Fiero without using ANY of Archies materials? I know people have, but I am willing to bet that at least 70% of the V8 swaps use Archies kit or have been installed by Archie himself. I ask this question cause I am just curious.
I met Clem at The Run To The Keys in 2004. This was the first Fiero related thing I had ever been too. Clem, having just met me, let me drive his car. That car is FAST! It was Clem letting me drive his car that made me want to get a swap done in my car. I chose the 3800SC. I did this for a lot of reasons. Gas mileage, cost, HP and so on. Using just my butt meter as a guide... I believe Clems LT1 is faster than my 3800SC. My 3800SC is all stock except for a 3.5 pully and K/N filter. Now if I want to spend more money I believe that I can make my motor faster than Clems.
Why don't everyone just leave Archie alone for gods sake. If you don't like his installs then do 1 yourself or find someone else to do it for you. Archie's customers seem to be happy and they are the ones who matter.
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For all the people b***ing about not comparing stock motors to stock motors, one could argue that that's not a stock engine, never slated or installed in a stock car, and never warrantied for 100,000 miles. (that's not directed at you) I bet it sounds like hell too. The 3.6 is going into butter smooth 600 rpm idle cadillacs in model year 2008. You will be able to buy them this fall.
Fine lets go by your viewpoint. So next year, if someone can find one and buy it, They can install a 302hp V-6. But today they can install a 400hp LS2 or a 350hp LS1 or a 355hp ZZ4 or a 330hp LT1 (or 350H.O.) and although I have not heard of one installed yet, The LS7 has 505hp. That is six normally aspirated V-8 engines available today that have more power then the V-6 that is suppose to be available next year.
So now lets review some facts: A modified 3.4DOHC is ALMOST as powerful and a bottom line LM1 V-8. (I should also note that while verifying certain facts I found out that at the D7 dyno's a 3.4DOHC with a shot of nitrous only pulled a 227rwhp. So a 3.4DOHC with nitrous was just about the same as a bottom line SBC V-8 too.) The highest normally aspirated production GM V-6 is 302hp (or should I say "soon to be") and the highest normally aspirated production GM V-8 is 505hp.
The highest actually dyno'd engine (with the dyno graph displayed for the public) in a Fiero is 508rwhp and that is from a SBC V-8. If I recall, The highest V-6 was FieroX who pulled a very nice 468rwhp. If you can find another dyno for a V-6 or V-8 that is higher, Please post it.
Nobody has broken one of Archie's kits. He installed a 355hp engine into a Fiero and it pulled a 309rwhp on a dyno and the same car ran 12.3 in the 1/4 mile. There are very few production cars on the road today that go as fast or faster.
Archie does not need to build a fleet of high powered Fiero's to sell his product. There are numerous examples that have been previously dyno'd and ran on the track that he can use in his advertisements.
The forum's on-going 1/4 mile thread has the two fastest cars running in the high 10's and both are SBC powered cars. The fastest N/A V-6 listed is in the high 13's, Forced induction is in the 11's The fastest N/A V-8 is in the low 12's, Forced induction is in the high 10's
Does that about cover it? If any of the above is incorrect, inaccurate, or wrong just let me know and I'll correct it.
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I did beat a late Model Mach 1 mustang though. but yea those are slow because motortrend tested one to low 13's at 109 mph. But yea thats slow for a stock V8 right Link? Oreif needed a dyno tuned ZZ4 350 SBC to trap 111 mph. Thats only 2 mph faster then a MAch 1 mustang!!. HAHAHA. And I am doing it with just a little v6.
So his V-6 runs low 13's at 109mph and he beat a Mach1?? But in his Dyno thread it ALMOST made it 150 rwhp.
Did the Mach1 driver actually know you were racing?? Was it REALLY a Mach1?? Your right Shaunna I was only 2mph faster than a Mach1, But then again I crossed the line at the end nearly a full second earlier in the low 12's. Isn't drag racing about the time it takes to cross 1320ft?? If I recall the winner is the one who crosses the line first with the lowest time, Not how many MPH they have at the end.
Yeah, "Dyno-tuned". I gain a whole 7rwhp. OK, so subtract .05 seconds from my time. I am still nearly a second faster.
But hey you beat a "Mach1", Let's see your 1/4 mile time slip. You claim you beat a Mach1, So let's see a time slip that shows your car running low 13's. Remember this is YOUR claim and I am calling you on it. I have my timeslip posted, Where's yours??? Tell you what, Film your run and post a timeslip. Then let me know the cost of run and I'll pay you back. I'll even throw in the cost to fill up your gas tank with premium fuel! The video has to show YOUR car and the Time and MPH at the end of the run.
why not post his dyno graph of over 200whp which was posted before the Mach1 kill was posted. I call BS on you ORIEF for putting up an old dyno graph to support you claims, when the new one is in the same thread.
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I havent read the entire Thread because most of it is back and forth no sense but from what I have read. All the talk is about making big HP from this motor or that motor. I have seen very little talk about what is putting all this big HP to the ground. Making big HP isnt that hard, but mating it to somthing that will handle the power/torque is another thing. Is nice that there are several LSX engine out there in Fieros already but from reading, most are mated to Fiero manuel tranmissions. Maybe I am wrong but you will never be able to use the HP to its fullest potential. If this is the case then why worry about getting a high HP swap that cant be used to its fullest. On that note, I said I would never do a V-8 swap being the reason listed above. But now that the LS4 is out and mated to the 65E-HD trans, then that changes my whole outlook of going with a V-8. I love my modded 3800SC and let me say upfront, it isnt lacking in any area of performance but there is the lack of V-8 torque and sound that would be nice to have. Thats why my current swap going on is a stock 06 LS4 going into an 88 GT that will be cammed later on done the road once the bugs are worked out.
For Jimmys reply about the V-8 cars getting the most attention at car shows, this is very true. And it is the WOW factor that get most ppl when they see a V-8 stuffed in a little ol Fiero. Little do most ppl know that the car with the 3800SC will come out ahead when it comes to laying down some numbers.
why not post his dyno graph of over 200whp which was posted before the Mach1 kill was posted. I call BS on you ORIEF for putting up an old dyno graph to support you claims, when the new one is in the same thread.
OH MY GOD OVER 200whp ! THAT THING HAS TEH MOST POWERZ I'VE EVER SAW ! This is the sh!t i'm talking about. Shaunna's car isn't breaking into the 300whp but he swears by it. Yet the V8 cars that are well into the 300-500whp are totally ignored. Why ? Because he doesn't have a leg to stand on if he were to line up against one and he knows it. Those V8 fiero's would dominate him just like his buddies v-8 stang did. Shaunna is a little punk that demands of others but won't step up to the plate and show what he's got. He won't go to the track becasue he knows he will run a time that is slower than a v-8 fiero that has cc90 headers. Well shaunna a timeslip will make alot of people realize how bada$$ your car is. You claim the track is soooooo close to you. Why won't you go? Can't afford it? Scared ? Embarrased ? The spotlight is on you now sh!t talker.
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And it is the WOW factor that get most ppl when they see a V-8 stuffed in a little ol Fiero. Little do most ppl know that the car with the 3800SC will come out ahead when it comes to laying down some numbers.
The 3800SC is a great swap, but what you posted above is a Major Brain Fart.
Cliff, since you have no moderators to stop this high school girl click crap, please close this thread as all it has is a bunch of guys wanting to start crap with Archie. Its old, its plaid out, and I graduated from high school YEARS ago. I can’t believe this has been able to go 4 pages. These guys that start this crap are an embarrassment..... Get a life kids. You guys have nothing to offer but bickering and your cars cant out run half of Archie’s conversions. Some of you have been working on your motor for years now and have the nerve to run your mouth about someone else’s. GROW UP OR GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!
, its plaid out, and I graduated from high school YEARS ago.
Its spelled "played " LOL Hows that for childish ? Everyone knows Archies business but these same topics keep getting brung up. Until Shaunna sells his fiero and buys a damned supra or a SRT-4 he will continue to annoy everyone with his verbal masterbation . H3ll i bet he will still agitate everyone even if he does get out of fiero's. His dad should have b!tch slapped him more when he was a teen ,and he would not have grown up this way. This is a prime example as to why you should spank your children when they act up.
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why not post his dyno graph of over 200whp which was posted before the Mach1 kill was posted. I call BS on you ORIEF for putting up an old dyno graph to support you claims, when the new one is in the same thread.
That's funny, I don't see it. Is it hidden? Or did he post it in another thread? Here is his Dyno thread in the Motorsports section: http://www.realfierotech.co...viewtopic.php?t=5032 As everyone can see it has one Dyno chart, It was posted on Nov 19th and the Dyno chart is Dated 18 Nov. So where is this "other" chart?????
If he has posted another dyno in another thread I will gladly change my post to reflect the proper dyno graph.
EDIT: Please provide a link or post the dyno. It doesn't come up in any searches. According to that forum, he has not posted any new dyno charts since November 19th and you can see in the chart he posted it is dated 18 November 2006.
BTW ~ Even at 200rwhp he is NOT running low 13's.
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Not to mention that even at 200 RWHP he's still 30 HP less than the V8 he wants to make fun of. Maybe that's why he didn't dyno his junk at Daytona.... He was afraid Archie might dyno higher.
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Sure! It's called GM. It will be available late this year. It's a 3.6L V6 DFI..... naturally aspirated... 302 hp @ 6300 rpm and 272 ft·lbf @ 5200 rpm. It's called the LLT and is slated for MY2008.
That's funny, I don't see it. Is it hidden? Or did he post it in another thread? Here is his Dyno thread in the Motorsports section: http://www.realfierotech.co...viewtopic.php?t=5032 As everyone can see it has one Dyno chart, It was posted on Nov 19th and the Dyno chart is Dated 18 Nov. So where is this "other" chart?????
If he has posted another dyno in another thread I will gladly change my post to reflect the proper dyno graph.
EDIT: Please provide a link or post the dyno. It doesn't come up in any searches. According to that forum, he has not posted any new dyno charts since November 19th and you can see in the chart he posted it is dated 18 November 2006.
BTW ~ Even at 200rwhp he is NOT running low 13's.
My bad, Sorry Orief, you cant see the thread where his other slip is posted. I will let shaun post it in that thread in motorsports to let others see. We know he is reading theis thread.
I’ve just been informed, that several of Shaunbag’s swingers, that favor forced induction V6’s, have decided to pool their vast financial resources & open up their own shop.
Rumor has it that they plan to call it “Blowhards”.
Archie
------------------ After Shaunbag is exposed as having asked Archie for a job as a Slack-Jawed Yokel Archie sings ......... so I pulled off my hat & said imagine that, you workin' for meeeee. Lies, lies........
Lack of extraneous wheelspin? Torque is pretty useless if you can't get it to the ground. I'm not saying that to "bash" anyone, I really don't care about C.Archambault. I'm talking from personal experience as the former owner of an unmodified L67 with a modest 237 lbs at 4400 rpm on 235/50-16 Nitto tires. I couldn't get full throttle off of rest without spinning my tires, it took finesse on the throttle. I would rather have a higher revving, lower torque motor in a Fiero so I can actually use it's potential. That's just me. Other people would rather peel panties with thundering exhaust and burning rubber. To each their own.
The 3800SC is a great swap, but what you posted above is a Major Brain Fart.
Explain? I mean this coming from someone who didnt build his car, has never been to the dyno but claims big numbers and has never hit the track up. I mean lets hear what the wise man has to say.
Once again, having a motor with high HP/Torque is great and all but what it is attached to makes or breaks the swap. I am not hear to argue as I stated above I love my modded 3800SC and am sure I will like my LS4 swap even better.
I’ve just been informed, that several of Shaunbag’s swingers, that favor forced induction V6’s, have decided to pool their vast financial resources & open up their own shop.
Rumor has it that they plan to call it “Blowhards”.
Originally posted by p8ntman442: My bad, Sorry Orief, you cant see the thread where his other slip is posted. I will let shaun post it in that thread in motorsports to let others see. We know he is reading theis thread.
Why don't you just copy and post it in that thread? Do you need his permission or something?
Everyone gets all upset when people with the 3800SC cars chime in here. I'm not here to argue with anybody. Archie does great work, I love madcurl's car's and I love a stock V8 that makes some great numbers. The problem is basically that the people that have taken the time to go to the track have their numbers and info. So when I say my car is faster than yours, well most likely it is. Why? Because I have been to the track over and over. I know my car is capable of mid 11's. Show me another Fiero that is putting down 12.0 @ 118mph on street tires. We dont want to argue, I could careless about that, so whenever I post at least put some consideration into what I write. Oreif is about the only person I know that has been to the track and put down some numbers. I love California Kid's car to death and I have even met him in person....Tom is a great guy met him up at the 20th Anniversary. Most people just want to see a video of him at the track and what times it might put down. I have been reading this forum for over 7 years and honestly track times and videos shut up 90% of the drama. If I got on here and claimed a 12 sec car with a 3800sc, how many would say what track, when, what tires, what mods. Lots of people. I agree some dont like to go to the track and some do, but when you get crap for your car being a turd, well you have to earn it by shoving it down everyone's throat about how fast it is and what it can do. It's as simple as that. Flame me all you want, I'm just saying what it boils down to.
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I’ve just been informed, that several of Shaunbag’s swingers, that favor forced induction V6’s, have decided to pool their vast financial resources & open up their own shop.
Rumor has it that they plan to call it “Blowhards”.
Archie
Whats wrong with a "forced induction V6" shop? I'm a fan of any engine swap to a Fiero. I like to see new and different things done to Fieros. I also do like most of the cars you have built. But, I don't see any reason why you should put down other swaps just because your dyno was low. I understand if the customer wants a stock V8 dropped into their Fiero, thats great. Just don't put down other engine swaps that people have put alot of time into. I'll be more then glad to run my Fiero that I built against any Fiero you've ever built if you really have a problem with a force feed V6. Not goin to lie, my 14PSI does blowhard alright
yup agree with the above put up or shut up..you all can go on and on....but lets see some slips.. directed towards those who "claim" big numbers....aside from that you have to admit archies custom body kits are top notch from what i have seen..and personally if you want a pretty car with marginal/above average perfromance thats your specific choice too..who cares??? but if you want a pretty car with supercar like performance i dont see why that can become reality too...but the reality of that is unreliablilty....plain and simple..no way around it...so which way does a guy go???? personally a bit of both would be best...but alas i am poor..lol... a pretty car catches your eye in the parking lot....a fast car catches your eye as it blows you away.....which one do you want to drive???? just a thought...tim
Whats wrong with a "forced induction V6" shop? I'm a fan of any engine swap to a Fiero.
Nothing at all wrong with the idea. In fact, it would be health for the Fiero hobby if someone could do this. And stay in business as long as Archie has, which is a remarkable feat (18 years or thereabouts?). Others have tried to make a go of it in the Fiero aftermarket - IRM, Pegasus Engineering, Corson, Twin Lakes/Fiero Bob, FOCOA, etc, etc; all gone now. How many stayed in business for almost 20 years? Looks to me like Archie is doing something right.
Whats wrong with a "forced induction V6" shop? I'm a fan of any engine swap to a Fiero. I like to see new and different things done to Fieros. I also do like most of the cars you have built. But, I don't see any reason why you should put down other swaps just because your dyno was low. I understand if the customer wants a stock V8 dropped into their Fiero, thats great. Just don't put down other engine swaps that people have put alot of time into. I'll be more then glad to run my Fiero that I built against any Fiero you've ever built if you really have a problem with a force feed V6. Not goin to lie, my 14PSI does blowhard alright
Mellow out Dude, there's nothing wrong with a Forced Induction shop. The best thing is that it'll let them show everybody how to run a business.
I'd suggest you go back & read the whole thread.
I said nothing against forcefed engines. Some of my best friends own them.
Archie
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It seems that the Blowhards have decided to exclude Shaunbag from their new venture.
Something about Nylon stockings & fetishes.
Archie
------------------ After Shaunbag is exposed as having asked Archie for a job as a Slack-Jawed Yokel Archie sings ......... so I pulled off my hat & said imagine that, you workin' for meeeee. Lies, lies........
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"V8 Archie"- I never really thought about it before, I'm so used to seeing all the body mod stuff, I can't remember any archie engine build threads... Maybe it should be V8-Body Archie.
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Everyone knows Archies business but these same topics keep getting brung up. Until Shaunna sells his fiero and buys a damned supra or a SRT-4 he will continue to annoy everyone with his verbal masterbation . H3ll i bet he will still agitate everyone even if he does get out of fiero's. His dad should have b!tch slapped him more when he was a teen ,and he would not have grown up this way. This is a prime example as to why you should spank your children when they act up. 
