Why don't y'all just whip out your penises and measure them? Oh, that's right... you'd be arguing about where to measure from, inches or centimeters, hard or soft, whether girth factors in, if points are subtracted for aiming to the side, if extra hair gives you bonus points, whether or not foreskin counts, etc. So much for that idea.
Some of the photos are pretty nice, though. I have to admit that.
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I can say that I do like the looks of all the FI V-8 pictures that Archie posted but there is only one thing wrong with them. What are they attached to that can handle all the HP/torque that they put out. Now that the 6 speed is out, that is an option but it has not been proven yet to handle a V-8. Whats the point of having a high HP motor attached to something that cant handle the power?
Archie, have you personally done the work in all of those pictures? any action shots?
I have always wondered the same thing myself about the work that his shop puts out. I am willing to say he hasnt done any of the installs that have left his shop in a long time. But then again I could be wrong.
I have always wondered the same thing myself about the work that his shop puts out. I am willing to say he hasnt done any of the installs that have left his shop in a long time. But then again I could be wrong.
So you want to split hairs on who turns the wrenches in Archie's shop? Let me guess, if anything comes out of his shop, it's fair game to be made fun of because it's an Archie swap - but Archie himself can only brag about the ones he's personally built, because otherwise they aren't Archie swaps. Does that about cover it?
God forbid he should be so successful as to hire employees to expand his business. Ryan was even arguing earlier that he wasn't expanding his business enough.
But hey, as long as you have something to b*tch about, it's all good, right?
What's the nitrous shot on the 3.4? 3800 series I or II?
I have no idea what the shot size is on the 3.4DOHC and I think the 3800 is a series II. Kris Munson had the 3.4 and Frank Martin had the 3800SC. It should also be noted that I was wrong, the 3800SC hit 147 rwhp not 170 rwhp and that the same car with the same engine was dyno'd a year earlier at a Dyno shop with an average corrected reading of 212hp/270 tq. (see pic) So why the 65hp loss???
The point I was making was the V-8's were not the only engines dyno'd and had low numbers, but yet nobody comments on the poor results of the other engines.
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Well, I'm back......Bright eyed & bushie tailed. Ready for another day of building crappy cars.
Let's see what words of wisdom the kids came up with overnight.
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Originally posted by MstangsBware:
I can say that I do like the looks of all the FI V-8 pictures that Archie posted but there is only one thing wrong with them. What are they attached to that can handle all the HP/torque that they put out. Now that the 6 speed is out, that is an option but it has not been proven yet to handle a V-8. Whats the point of having a high HP motor attached to something that cant handle the power?
Now that a good one. Let's see here, Let me spell it out to you in simple A, B. C's
A) been putting these things into Fieros for 19 years now
B) have sold a total of about 1950 kits & have installed about 400 of those
C) At least 250 of my customers are now members of PFF
D) How many broken transmissions have been documented here on PFF over the years maybe 10? or 15?
E) How many broken transmissions have I heard about (from all sources) over the last 19 years.... maybe 25
D) So for grins & giggles let's double it & call it 50 ........
E) That works out to a failure rate of 2.5%.......
F) That's not too bad for a 20 year old transmission some of which have been hooked up to a SBC for much of that 20 years..... & many of which have 150K+ miles when they're swapped to SBC.
G) I'd venture to guess that a failure rate of only 2.5% would be as good or better than many of these built up automatics you guys are always talkin about.
Now some of you guys keep saying that they can't handle the power, but you don't have any data to support that opinion. You keep wanting Dyno charts & Time Slips maybe you can provide some data to support your claims.
Yeah, I agree overall automatics are faster in the 1/4 mile. But life is not the 1/4 mile & sports cars are supposed to be sticks. Sports cars with automatics are boring to me.
When I built my 1st V-8 Fiero, I wanted Sports Car handling & a Muscle Car power to weight ratio.
So if you have some real data to support your claims, then let's see it. Otherwise put a cork in it.
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Originally posted by Coinage:
Archie, have you personally done the work in all of those pictures? any action shots?
Yes, I personally do all the work on all the cars. the 3 young studs I have working for me are just posers.
They fetch Lunch, pick up after me & cruise local High Schools looking for girls to pose for my porno business.
Archie
------------------ After Shaunbag is exposed as having asked Archie for a job as a Slack-Jawed Yokel Archie sings ......... so I pulled off my hat & said imagine that, you workin' for meeeee. Lies, lies........
Why don't y'all just whip out your penises and measure them? Oh, that's right... you'd be arguing about where to measure from, inches or centimeters, hard or soft, whether girth factors in, if points are subtracted for aiming to the side, if extra hair gives you bonus points, whether or not foreskin counts, etc. So much for that idea.
Show me where I bashed Archie in this thread. Please.
Personally I'm a little sick of the "Us vs Them" mentality that prevails whenever a discussion comes up, and I find that Archie has been one of the worst on PFF when it comes to namecalling and diverting the issue. I've stayed out of this thread, my only comment was wehen Archie made a claim that threads on RFT were deleted for his benefit. Since I am the moderator that archived those threads, I thought it might be important enough to clarify if he thought it was important enough to bring up. Sorry Archie.
Mr. Moderator can you please retrive those wonderful archive threads from your forum? You know, these two:
Wow! Choptops, suicide doors and cramming an SBC V8 into anything that moves?! No one in automotive history has ever done any of that before! You're a real pioneer!
I'm still waiting for you to explain what convoluted thought process led you to the conclusion that it would make you look better to OVERstate the engine size and subesequent performance than to UNDERstate it. Tell us its a 305 and it looks like you improved on it. Tell us its a 377 and it looks like you can't build a properly working motor.
D) How many broken transmissions have been documented here on PFF over the years maybe 10? or 15?
E) How many broken transmissions have I heard about (from all sources) over the last 19 years.... maybe 25
D) So for grins & giggles let's double it & call it 50 ........
E) That works out to a failure rate of 2.5%.......
F) That's not too bad for a 20 year old transmission some of which have been hooked up to a SBC for much of that 20 years..... & many of which have 150K+ miles when they're swapped to SBC.
G) I'd venture to guess that a failure rate of only 2.5% would be as good or better than many of these built up automatics you guys are always talkin about.
Now some of you guys keep saying that they can't handle the power, but you don't have any data to support that opinion. You keep wanting Dyno charts & Time Slips maybe you can provide some data to support your claims.
Yeah, I agree overall automatics are faster in the 1/4 mile. But life is not the 1/4 mile & sports cars are supposed to be sticks. Sports cars with automatics are boring to me.
When I built my 1st V-8 Fiero, I wanted Sports Car handling & a Muscle Car power to weight ratio.
So if you have some real data to support your claims, then let's see it. Otherwise put a cork in it.
That don't make a lick of sense in light of the fact that its been shown time and time again that most of your customers are putting 250hp motors against the transmissions. What people have been saying is that the FWD transmissions can't handle serious power. How many transmissions has Tina blown apart? All you've proven is that these trannys can hold a little more power than they were rated for, not the power of a serious built V8. In fact, its been shown that they can't hold built V8 power reliably.
Originally posted by madcurl: I'm guessing you're 800 pound factual statements and trophy comment is 100% correct, right?
Wha? You're losing me. Do I know how much your car now weighs? Nope. I'm curious as hell, though. I'll bet my boots it isn't lighter then 3500 lbs. The trophy comment? That I congratulated you on winning a trophy? Yep, I'm 100% sure I posted that.
Wha? You're losing me. Do I know how much your car now weighs? Nope. I'm curious as hell, though. I'll bet my boots it isn't lighter then 3500 lbs. The trophy comment? That I congratulated you on winning a trophy? Yep, I'm 100% sure I posted that.
Wrong answer. Wrong weight, wrong person, and the wrong car owner.
I would assume the transmission failure rate goes up exponentially with the torque a V8 is making. Crate LM1s are far less likely to break something than a properly built "377".
This thread went south with Archie's 1st post. Archie, you could for once take the high road and explain things in a logical friendly manner. You would be amazed how differently people would treat you on the internet if you did. The whole 377-350-305 thing is ridiculous. I was asking an honest question on page 1.
I like every engine swap. The fastest car I've ever been in to date was a 406 fuel injected sbc fiero formula which blew my mind. 3rd gear power slides like nothing. He put it on a dyno and put down 375hp. I should also note that before dyno tuning he was making quite a bit less hp. I love cars, and I love big hp. I don't care how many cylinders a car has as long as its fast.
I was honestly amazed that a 377 engine was putting down 230hp. I watched the video and saw black smoke which made me think that its just not tuned properly. Not a big deal, with some dyno time it could make its full potential. Instead we find out that its not really a 377 but a joke on shaun? Talk about drama....
I believe it should have been put here when the title of the video was read by Cliff. This has been nothing more than an attempt to get a flame war going from the start. If you want to be the best and bash others buy a firebird or a honda, we fiero people dont act that way.
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oh, btw I joined RFT months ago (actually it was may fifth just seems like months) but never got my confirmation email so I cant even post. Hell of a well run forum...
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The question you should really be asking is how many ISUZU transmissions and how many GETRAG transmissions has Tina blown apart? All of the blown ones I've seen her post about were Isuzus, out of 4 cylinder Fieros. She got tired of blowing them up and switched to the stronger Getrag. I'm not saying the Getrag is indestructible, especially with nearly 20 years on them, but so far I haven't heard of her blowing one up.
But with any transmission, when you've got some nearly 20 years old and well over 100k miles, you're going to have a higher failure rate - even on stock engines.
Wow! Choptops, suicide doors and cramming an SBC V8 into anything that moves?! No one in automotive history has ever done any of that before! You're a real pioneer!
Im sorry, but I forgot, how many of these have you done again?
The question you should really be asking is how many ISUZU transmissions and how many GETRAG transmissions has Tina blown apart? All of the blown ones I've seen her post about were Isuzus, out of 4 cylinder Fieros. She got tired of blowing them up and switched to the stronger Getrag. I'm not saying the Getrag is indestructible, especially with nearly 20 years on them, but so far I haven't heard of her blowing one up.
But with any transmission, when you've got some nearly 20 years old and well over 100k miles, you're going to have a higher failure rate - even on stock engines.
Split that hair if you must. I don't know if Tina has nuked one yet, but I know its been done. I had the chance to meet Orville once while he was in the middle of putting an automatic in his LS1 car because he destroyed his Getrag the first time he got on it hard. Regardless, the exact number wasn't my point. Rather, it was that people who put powerful V8s against FWD trannies break them or are afraid to (ask CaliKid).
Split that hair if you must. I don't know if Tina has nuked one yet, but I know its been done. I had the chance to meet Orville once while he was in the middle of putting an automatic in his LS1 car because he destroyed his Getrag the first time he got on it hard. Regardless, the exact number wasn't my point. Rather, it was that people who put powerful V8s against FWD trannies break them or are afraid to (ask CaliKid).
That's a pretty substantial hair to split.
You can ask FieroX about that, too. With enough power or abuse any transmission will fail. The point was that Tina was going through Isuzus like they were paper, but the Getrag is significantly stronger. She's got one of the more powerful V8's on here using a Getrag, and hasn't reported any problems yet, to my knowledge.
Remember, we are dealing with 15-20 year old trannies. Start with a freshly rebuilt one, and your chances are much better. Slap a junk yard tranny with 150k miles behind a 300+ HP engine - regardless of how many cylinders it has - and you're asking for trouble.
Thankfully the new 6-speed is available. While the gear ratios are less than perfect, it is stronger than the Fiero Getrag and available brand new. I'm sure someone will break one eventually. I hope when it happens they post lots of pics on here so we can see the failure mode. It's all about learning from the previous failures to try and improve the drivetrain where possible.
Don't tell me you feel special doing the exact same mods that people have been doing to cars since the 30's.
I'll take that as a no, lol. How can you criticize Archie for doing the "same old mods" when you dont even have the first clue on how its done? So you must be saying that buliding such cars as the GT40, Troys IMSA or Curlys Arch-Rival doesnt require any skill because people have been doing it for the past 30 yrs? Give me a break kid, go home.
I think the point of the pictures was to show the haters that he knows what he's doing, more so than others. If he wanted a 600hp fire breathing, nitrous sucking SBC, he would have one.
i think a relevant question to ask here is, what have you built?
i think archie has amply illustrated his work, here and elsewhere. so how about you guys? crzyone? stimpy? shaun? i'm sure you've all done some nice work, why dont you post here, in this thread, and list (preferably with pics and dyno sheets) what you've done? so instead of a dubious bash-fest, this thread could be a showcase of what can be done with the little commuter car? or is the car not what this thread's about? c'mom. show us.
Since we are posting pictures of V-8s, this is my newest project that is going into my 88 GT. Here we have a modern day FI V-8(LS4) on a 4T65E-HD trans built to handle the power that it will put out. It will go into the car in stock form at first and then be brought back out for a few go-fast MODs. The motor is only sitting on the cradle so far but I have the trans mounts ready to go on and the motor mount issue planned out but havent had a chance to work on it. I know there is no carb on it, it want be sitting to one side of the engine bay and its not attached to a stock Fiero trans but I think it will work out okay.
Split that hair if you must. I don't know if Tina has nuked one yet, but I know its been done. I had the chance to meet Orville once while he was in the middle of putting an automatic in his LS1 car because he destroyed his Getrag the first time he got on it hard. Regardless, the exact number wasn't my point. Rather, it was that people who put powerful V8s against FWD trannies break them or are afraid to (ask CaliKid).
Why? What does 800 pounds of fiberglass have to do with dyno results and lying about engine swaps?
Stimpy, I think Curley was he was refering to those 2 threads you locked down. It seems those threads were threads making fun of the Arch-Rival & the Perfect Union as they were under construction. If you were to revive those threads then those people would have a chance to eat their words & explain away their negative comments.
He wasn't asking about engine swaps & doesn't care about engine swaps he was refering to your comments about locking down those threads. He has NStars in all of his cars, so he couldn't care about engine swaps.
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Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:
Congratulations on the trophy. I hope you now have the acknowledgement and acceptance from your peers that you were seeking.
I know you think they all look the same but Curley & Troy are two different people, with two different cars, with two different engines, on two different coasts.
You're talking to Curley now, he's from CA with the Arch-Rival & a NStar. The guy who won Best of Show is Troy, He's from NY has a SBC & drives the Perfect Union.
Archie
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Wow! Choptops, suicide doors and cramming an SBC V8 into anything that moves?! No one in automotive history has ever done any of that before! You're a real pioneer!
Wow, I'm just totally devastated....... I did some research..........
When Henry Ford went from the Model "T" to the Model "A" in 1928 he lowered the roof, he could be one of the pioneers of chop tops....... I'm so devastated.
I think it was 1932 when he put a flathead V-8 into his Fords....... I'm so devastated.
Wasn't it Studebaker that put suicide doors on it's wagons back in the late 1800's?........ I'm so devastated.
don't tell all the hot rodders & custom car builders for the last 60 years & all the car magazines published in the 1900's what you've told us because they'd be devastated.
I hope you're talking about close-up pictures of light colored Fiero hoods. That sounds like a pretty racist statement if you're talking about people.
Then I'd suggest you get your facts straight when your congratulating someone on an award.
I know enough pics of both cars have been posted that just a little research on your part would have you knowing just exactly to whom you are speaking.
i think a relevant question to ask here is, what have you built?
i think archie has amply illustrated his work, here and elsewhere. so how about you guys? crzyone? stimpy? what have you built?
First, I still don't see where I've bashed Archie in any way in this thread other then not writing him a big ass check. I've never built a car myself, but I drove an early high dollar car for quite some time, after buying it from my dad.
The FIRST Series II SC3800, circa 1997. OBD2. California smog legal. Stock motor & pulleys, cold air intake and WCF exhaust. Discuss.
Then I'd suggest you get your facts straight when your congratulating someone on an award.
I know enough pics of both cars have been posted that just a little research on your part would have you knowing just exactly to whom you are speaking.
Then you won't look like a racist.
Archie
LOL. Whatever, dude. You're the one saying "they all look alike". I know who Curly is. He's the guy who dresses like a backup singer from Cameo. Word up!
That car is awesome, looks like you did a lot to it..... Like changed the rims that were way played out in the early 90's (five stars). High Dollar? What a joke, the reason this thread was started is a JOKE. As for your dyno sheet, I wasnt there to verify it so I dont believe it is valid. I have seen better looking stock cars with tinted widows.
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