All of this is horrible, people are bashing on V8s, don't bash the engine, bash the builder IF the engine is badly put together. Second alot of people are saying you can't bash on cletus if you dont know him, but it does NOT stop them from bashing the people bashing cletus. Stop being so hypocriticle. Some people who have delt with cletus got good service, as thier opinion, so they will like him, some people delt with him and got treated like crap, as thier opinion, so they will hate him. To each his own. LET cletus FIGHT HIS OWN BATTLES. If someone has good dealings, lets them say so, AND if they have bad dealings let them say so too. But stop with all the hearsay crap. If you have not delt with him keep your opinion netrual untill you have and pick what way to go after that. And who cares what car/engine is faster, anyone with a blank check can have a faster car/engine.
OK guys. I just received an email from Archie giving me a link to a video. As I said, I have not been following the forum for a long time because of this litlle prick Shaunbag. I have just seen a video for the first time and I want you all to know that it is sort of accurate - sort of - its just that a lot of rather important details are missing - bottom line I'm pretty sure my little SBC without the NOS hooked up will blow off ANY car that showed up at the dyno facility last year, including the piece of junk turbo 3800 that was there and the jerk who still owes me for the dyno run. If anyone out there knows dynos, they know they can be rigged. No matter - WE did everything we could to accomodate the fluid-eaking problamatic 3800 SC (SC removed and rurbo jerrrigged)a and have a fun day-and donate some $ to the Fiero Forum at the end of the day. However, I authorized no one to video me or my car and consider Shaunbag's video a total invasion of privacy as well as an innacurate piece of **** . And oh, by the way Shaunbag never introduced himself to me, so I didn't even know who he was - we e=were jsut having a fun day at the dyno. This whole thread is way beneath the Fiero forum. Shaunbag is not a Fiero friend and he needs his whinny ass thoroughly kicked. If Cliff wants to ban me from the forum for this, so be it - Shaunbag has made it a place not worth visiting. And I still don't give a fat hairy rat's ass which engine dynos the most horsepower - I love them all, my favorite is the SBC and Archie's kit has worked very well in my little Fiero since 1994. If this is what the forum has come to, it is a very sad day.
You know what? I have never owned a SBC V8 Fiero. Or even a 3.4, or a 3.8. Or a 4.9.
And you know what else? My STOCK Fieros broke too. A LOT. It happens. Even a car designed by the Pontiac division of General Motors, the BIGGEST AUTOMAKER IN THE WORLD, had problems and broke.
But people find it so unthinkable that a guy who decided to try something that no one had ever done before (i.e. stick a SBC in a Fiero) had problems along the way, and that it wasn't "factory perfect". And yes, he has had years to perfect it. During those years, the engines and transmissions he has had to put into these cars (which were never designed for them) have changed. And he has done a pretty good job of adapting all of it to a platform that was never designed to accept it.
I have never met Archie, nor even spoken to him. I know he's a Bears fan, or at least a Mike Ditka fan, so that's my only connection to him. But all I know is that he ventured into territory that few other have, and he has been more successful than most. Name me a V8 conversion kit being used today other than Zummalt (or whatever his name was). And it doesn't seem like there are too many of those out there...that's probably for a reason. Is the Archie V8 Fiero perfect? Probably not. Does it cost a lot? Yes, unless you do a lot of the work yourself. IS THERE ANYWHERE ELSE ON PLANET EARTH YOU CAN DROP YOUR FIERO OFF, AND GET IT BACK WITH A SBC IN IT? No, I don't think there is.
I bought a Fiero from Paul V (the one before the '84 I just got). His '88 GT with an LS1 a la Archie is pretty nice. I have yet to see anyone else deliver something comparable.
If it's about SBC vs. 3.8 vs whatever.....then let it be so. If you gave Archie your hard earned money and his product wasn't good, then you have a right to chirp. But if you are just a hater...then go away, and go read the time slips and the dyno results that make or break your happiness.
WE ARE ALL LUCKY...TO HAVE AS MANY OPTIONS WITH A 20+ YEAR OLD CAR!!!!
Stop hating, and start appreciating....all that we have. We have a great car, and a nice compliment of options to improve our cars. We should be grateful.
I think this thread has gone on long enough, i got the answer i was looking for within the first 2 pages, now its just turning into a flame war. Sorry Archie if this stirred things up, that was not my intent. I'll ask cliff if he can lock this now.
Originally posted by Ditkaphile: If you gave Archie your hard earned money and his product wasn't good, then you have a right to chirp.
what if i gave archie my hard earned money and his product was just fine? can i chime in now???
i drive 4 cars. 1984 fiero with a SBC 1985 fiero GT stock 1967 Catalina with a Buick stage 2 455 2004 Neon (it's the wife's)
although I've put a late model GM CD player in it, guess which car never has the radio on?
i said it before, there is a 3800SC in town that can beat me in a straight line, and around a track. but i wouldn't trade.
many times i have pulled up to a store and some guy runs up to me saying, "hey, that's got a V8 in it right?" i've never heard of someone running up to a fiero and saying, "hey, that's got a V6 in it right?"
i'm happy with my purchase.
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I think this thread has gone on long enough, i got the answer i was looking for within the first 2 pages, now its just turning into a flame war. Sorry Archie if this stirred things up, that was not my intent. I'll ask cliff if he can lock this now.
I know you didn't mean any harm.
If it wasn't this thread it'd be another one.
You'll see another one like this in 10 days or so. The haters just hang out waiting for another chance at bashing. Then they can go over to RFT and pound their chests & other things.
The biggest problem is that Tom Corey was right. The haters are ruining the Fiero experience for a lot of people.
The only way to stop it is to pressure these haters into learning how to behave in public or to move on. It's too bad their parents didn't teach them any better.
There is no excuse for the way a lot of PFF members are treated by the haters, just because they are happy SBC V-8 owners.
One of these days the punks that support people like Shaunbag are going to wake up & find that the only Fiero cummunity left on the Internet are haters.
You know people like Shaunbag do not bring their Fieros to any Fiero show, they don't make any effort to give the Fiero a positive image, they don't have anything positive to contribute. ALL they do is to try to tear down the Fiero community.
Tom Corey is a long time contributer & participant in the Fiero community. He has given countless hours to helping put on Fiero shows all over the state of Florida. He has given up countless weekends Judging for Fiero shows.
(Excuse me but I gotta say this) With everything Tom has contributed to the Fiero community & he used to be a big contributer here. All of this has been lost to us on this Forum & on the Internet in General by One little Son of a ***** that dosen't know how to behave in public.
Reason that out....... SOMEONE tell me why that is right.
Archie
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I know i dont know EVERYTHING that has gone on, but i was talking to my girlfriend about this and i realized how dumb it is. Its sad that i know 6yr olds that are more mature than he (and his fellow trolls) are behaving. Name calling? are you friggen serious.. How dumb is it do tease someone about their name, i stopped doing that in grade 3 lol :P And (correct me if im wrong) but he was upset that you didn't hire him? 'Not getting what you want, and then throwing a tantrum over it' yet another thing a 6yr old would do. Its sad what he is doing to the fiero community, we all love the same cars, what we do to them is our own buisneas. A person should have every right to do the swap they choose without fear of someone telling them what a dumb idea it was. I always thought it was common curtese to hold your tongue in a situation like that, its sad that there are people out there like that who spend all their time by trying to bring people down, quite a sad way to live. FFS... get over it, and grow up.
For the record I am posting from personal experiences with Archie AND with one of his kits. I don't know what the history is with you people and these motors but Archie's right. Every time the topic comes up someone hits a nerve.
I'll throw ya one here. If Archie doesn't build the engine then in his defense how can he be responsible for the HP off the dyno ? Then again if he can't build a motor and tune it correctly to help the customer how does that make him a "mechanical mozart " ??
Oddly enough, the only people here that have a considerable amount of red in their bars are the one discussing adverse outcomes and have had negative experiences with the V8 swap. All the while Archie still rallies the troops here to get everyone to try to gang up and "get rid" of people who he has no idea who they are yet assumes that they are someone that is with this big consipracy to bash the V8 swap.
I get on this forum and since my first post I've been instantly ganged up on by this Archie guy because I'm supposedly associated with other people who don't like him ?
You know, I'm just a guy who had a V8 Fiero and thought about doing another one and joined here out of the blue. I've picked up two more negs because of this thread. What is wrong with you people ? Is it wrong to have your own experiences ? Why are you handing out negs like candy because Archie says so ?
Please name something that would have warranted me, IN THIS THREAD, to have been rated negatively for any reason other than not liking the V8 conversion. That's where the thinking for yourself comes in.
I get on this forum and since my first post I've been instantly ganged up on by this Archie guy because I'm supposedly associated with other people who don't like him ?
Let's get something straight.
The other day you posted up 2 links. In the 1st link was your very 1st post under this screen name.
In the 1st line of that 1st post you said that you had visited PFF before but had never posted here before. You then went on to talk trash about me & my kits without any pictures or proof.
Within a week, we found that you had already been on this Forum under 2 other screen names both of which had been booted off by the ratings system.
That's where most of your Reds came from.
If you picked up a couple of reds in this thread it could be from a few people who read those links you posted & realized that you indeed were the liar you proved yourself to be in those threads.
I already told you I am NOT THOSE PEOPLE. You're equally as obsessed Archie. You have let these people do this...this...whatever it is you did to these people that has you on the defense SO HARD that you run around accusing people of being what they are not. Obesssing about one's identity and carrying the weight of senior member here to sway others and ban whoever comes along. A new guy doesn't have a chance here. What has to be done ? You're equally as crazy as those other mofos doing this to you.
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The other day you posted up 2 links. In the 1st link was your very 1st post under this screen name.
In the 1st line of that 1st post you said that you had visited PFF before but had never posted here before. You then went on to talk trash about me & my kits without any pictures or proof.
Within a week, we found that you had already been on this Forum under 2 other screen names both of which had been booted off by the ratings system.
I already told you I am NOT THOSE PEOPLE. You're equally as obsessed Archie. You have let these people do this...this...whatever it is you did to these people that has you on the defense SO HARD that you run around accusing people of being what they are not. Obesssing about one's identity and carrying the weight of senior member here to sway others and ban whoever comes along. A new guy doesn't have a chance here. What has to be done ? You're equally as crazy as those other mofos doing this to you.
I'll tell you what, we'll just let the people reading this thread decide.
You're a liar, for lying from your very 1st post under this screen name. And your stupid for posting those 2 links to threads that only prove how stupid you are.
OK guys. I just received an email from Archie giving me a link to a video. As I said, I have not been following the forum for a long time because of this litlle prick Shaunbag. I have just seen a video for the first time and I want you all to know that it is sort of accurate - sort of - its just that a lot of rather important details are missing - bottom line I'm pretty sure my little SBC without the NOS hooked up will blow off ANY car that showed up at the dyno facility last year, including the piece of junk turbo 3800 that was there and the jerk who still owes me for the dyno run. If anyone out there knows dynos, they know they can be rigged. No matter - WE did everything we could to accomodate the fluid-eaking problamatic 3800 SC (SC removed and rurbo jerrrigged)a and have a fun day-and donate some $ to the Fiero Forum at the end of the day. However, I authorized no one to video me or my car and consider Shaunbag's video a total invasion of privacy as well as an innacurate piece of **** . And oh, by the way Shaunbag never introduced himself to me, so I didn't even know who he was - we e=were jsut having a fun day at the dyno. This whole thread is way beneath the Fiero forum. Shaunbag is not a Fiero friend and he needs his whinny ass thoroughly kicked. If Cliff wants to ban me from the forum for this, so be it - Shaunbag has made it a place not worth visiting. And I still don't give a fat hairy rat's ass which engine dynos the most horsepower - I love them all, my favorite is the SBC and Archie's kit has worked very well in my little Fiero since 1994. If this is what the forum has come to, it is a very sad day.
I just want to say that Shaunna cannot post here and he cannot send PM's here. Most Email programs allow you to block a sender by their Email address. Don't let Shaunna prevent you from being active here or to harass you. The few "Shaunette's" that are on PFF generally make lame postings then go onto RFT seeking his approval. They are easily ignored and slowly getting banned themselves.
I've been ignoring Shaunna for a few months now. He even got desperate and made an "Oreif" screen name on RFT so he could argue with himself. Then he had his boyfriend (admin) ban the screen name that I was using. I haven't posted on there in over a year. We traded a few PM's but the guy is a pathalogical liar and an obsessive weasel. He is not worth getting upset about.
#2 The worst thing you can do, at this point, is to start bashing my guys. DarthFiero spent some time calling my guys names & bashing them & that didn't work out too well for them.
Archie
Really? I don't recall "spending some time" calling "your guys" names and bashing them. Do you have proof of when and exactly what I said?
-ryan
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This is just sad, one thread closes and another one springs up. If you dont like V8s in Fieros then dont ****ing read about it. Just move on, or maybe its time I moved on. There were cars before the internet.
I guess this guy didn't learn his lesson yet. Take it over to RFT, I will personally harass you there if you want me to or maybe you are the rented mule over there already? In the meantime I'll say I'm surprised that he is still here and hasn't been banned. This is a surprise.
Edit to clear up that my comments aren't directed at Darth but to GT Quick.
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Can Cliff turn off the autoblurr in off topic? That would spice up this thread you cockmongers (I bet this will clear the filter)
Whoa why are we going after Darth now, that wasn't necessary. If you don't like RFT, stay off it, if you don't like archies kit, don't buy it. Lifes not that ****ing complicated.
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I think it's funny that teh smack talker crawfished out of a genuine offer to race for 5K. Having been personally present at races for 5K or more, I can say it weeds out the BS very very quickly. I read that thread about it and it made me laugh because you ate your words DarkH.
But on the other hand, the person offering the 5K never raced either. So making the offer does not warrant any sort of "owing" of money. While I feel this comment was tongue-in-cheek I still feel that clarification is in order. Since the race did not happen nobody owes anyone anything. Still funny that the person talking all the smack crawfished though.
I am an outside observer to this so I'm just calling it as I see it.
If I build a 10 second transverse SBC Fiero, will this end? Just say the word. Dave
No, cause I will head to INTENSE with $30,000 and run an 8.9 hehe. I think archie could run a 10 if he tried, but I also believe a 10 second transverse 3800 is possible too. (namely because there are a bunch of 9 second Grand Prixs).
No, cause I will head to INTENSE with $30,000 and run an 8.9 hehe. I think archie could run a 10 if he tried, but I also believe a 10 second transverse 3800 is possible too. (namely because there are a bunch of 9 second Grand Prixs).
It's all time and money. How much of each do you want to spend? When a customer comes in and tells me he wants to go fast, my first question is "how much do you have to spend?" With enough nitrous for my four Webers and a couple of spare getrags, I could easily break the 10 second barrier....and a few trannys Dave
I've never understood why people would want a 10 second fiero. You kill the handling characteristics and the drivability. A 12-13 second car is respectable and drivable. The fiero driveline isn't suited for drag racing. An LS1 would fit this bill perfectly. Small light weight V-8 that should get a fiero into the 12s with little problem. I'm definitly not a fan of big cube, big torque motors in a fiero. Torque and MOI are the #1 killers of driveline parts. 383 strokers belong in trucks pulling trailers, not really in a car with a fragile transmission.
I'd rather build a competative auto x or road course car than worry about how fast my car is in the 1/4. I installed a motor that is quick, but I was also concerned with the amount of torque I was going to put through the getrag.
I think the idea is to build a car capable of turning 10 second times while being streetable, while being able to auto cross. The Fiero with a modified suspension can suit that bill. Computer technology makes that possible. When my wife tells me what she wants in her car, I scratch my head for six months and then build it. Right now I'm building a turboed VR6 Fiero with electric power steering. I'm not a fan of building 10 second cars or driving them, but I can. The challenge is in the 9's anyway. I was just striking up conversations with the a-hole that trashed my video on Streetfire. You wanna say my Fiero is slow, Let's see you keep your lunch down while riding in it. Dave
I like your VR6 swap, my brother has MK 3 and 4 VR6 GTIs. The 12V and 24V go pretty well.
A smaller displacement turbo engine will put less stress on a driveline. Out of boost the engine doesn't have much torque. The time it takes for boost to spool is what keeps the transmission happy. Instant torque from a big cube engine is another matter.
I don't think its possible to build a fiero that runs 10 second 1/4 miles and can auto x well. A big cube engine will be too snappy and a boosted engine will have too much turbo lag comming out of slow corners.
The auto x I took my Skyline GTR to made me realize this. The whole course was spent in 2nd gear, after a slow turn I would be out of boost and sluggish. My GTR isnt a 10 second car but I could only imagine a 10 second car would be even worse.
A road course is a whole different ballgame. You could build a good road course car that is also fast in a 1/4 mile.
