If this happened in any other country, think of how you would respond.
Actually, I've 'seen' (via the news) of it happening in so many different countries, so often and so many different times, I scarcely give it a 2nd thought any more. In my lifetime, globally, there have been over 300 coup attempts and successes, both in favor of and against democracies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...ps_and_coup_attempts
Prior to that, many hundreds or even thousands. (I take a very long and wide view of the world and we are now, just a speck of dust at a little speck of time)
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You're way over your head and can't touch bottom in your attempts to implicate me. Clear enough?
Patriots (and possibly a few disguised Antifa to cause trouble) made a statement today to the people who refuse to listen to the majority of Americans for the past 30+ years and your response is to tell them to get back under their desk and wait for the boom, because muh Capitol.
Your warm statements regarding what happened today is the implication. I don’t need to allude a damn thing.pretty ****ing cut and dry.
What was the message? You tout this **** like something was accomplished today but NOTHING was. A message was sent? Your Senators will likely have alienated the cause by the end of the evening. What a ****ing strong message this was.
Not my Capitol. Our Capitol. Having spoken with you though I’m certainly disappointed I have to share it with you. Understand if the feeling is mutual.
Your warm statements regarding what happened today is the implication. I don’t need to allude a damn thing.pretty ****ing cut and dry.
What was the message? You tout this **** like something was accomplished today but NOTHING was. A message was sent? Your Senators will likely have alienated the cause by the end of the evening. What a ****ing strong message this was.
Not my Capitol. Our Capitol. Having spoken with you though I’m certainly disappointed I have to share it with you. Understand if the feeling is mutual.
Of course you feel that way. You're a narcissist. I'm a Paleoconservative. I hate the DC Republican sellouts and hope they perish so a real alternative can arise.
Actually, I've 'seen' (via the news) of it happening in so many different countries, so often and so many different times, I scarcely give it a 2nd thought any more. In my lifetime, globally, there have been over 300 coup attempts and successes, both in favor of and against democracies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...ps_and_coup_attempts
Prior to that, many hundreds or even thousands. (I take a very long and wide view of the world and we are now, just a speck of dust at a little speck of time)
Fair to have your nuanced opinion on global politics. It’s for the sake of comparison, not discussion.
Having said that, if you are comfortable considering these thought processes or use them to avoid denouncing what happened today then that’s your prerogative, and I absolutely do not agree with it. I say that with all due respect to you. I don’t know you personally, but as a young teenager I certainly read your posts growing up here on various topics.
If you’re not embracing it then I’m not concerned, and ultimately that does not matter regardless. What happened today though, is detestable. There is no cost benefit to analyze here that is even mildly pessimistic. This is disgusting.
You have your own country to worry about. Do we need more outside influence?
As much as I'm flattered by your admission of my "influence", I'm afraid that you'll need to continue seeing posts from "outside"... whether that be from Canada, the UK, the Netherlands, wherever.
Of course you feel that way. You're a narcissist. I'm a Paleoconservative. I hate the DC Republican sellouts and hope they perish so a real alternative can arise.
I’m a centrist.
I’ll elaborate. You ever read the quote, “With my family I’m a socialist, with my neighbor a communist, with my city I’m a democrat, with my state a republican, and with my nation a libertarian”
Kids want Mac & cheese for dinner? We’re all eating Mac & cheese. Neighbor is interested in replacing our decrepit fence and going in together? Yes. We want to replace trap houses in our town with new parks or museums? **** yeah, let’s talk about doing it. State wants to increase my taxes? Definitely not. Going to war with Iran? Piss off.
Keep putting words in my mouth or imagining the type of person I need to be to make your argument more compelling. I can just point to your statements. You continually make it easy to do so.
As much as I'm flattered by your admission of my "influence", I'm afraid that you'll need to continue seeing posts from "outside"... whether that be from Canada, the UK, the Netherlands, wherever.
Ench-mm. We already have too much outsider pollution. Illegals, hello? Save your political critique for yourself.
I’ll elaborate. You ever read the quote, “With my family I’m a socialist, with my neighbor a communist, with my city I’m a democrat, with my state a republican, and with my nation a libertarian”
Kids want Mac & cheese for dinner? We’re all eating Mac & cheese. Neighbor is interested in replacing our decrepit fence and going in together? Yes. We want to replace trap houses in our town with new parks or museums? **** yeah, let’s talk about doing it. State wants to increase my taxes? Definitely not. Going to war with Iran? Piss off.
Keep putting words in my mouth or imagining the type of person I need to be to make your argument more compelling. I can just point to your statements. You continually make it easy to do so.
Oh, also **** off
You can't even articulate without dumbing your speech down to expletives. Not evidence of centrism in the slightest and you've done it almost without ceasing.
Add Cauliflower to the Mac and Cheese. It takes up the taste of the cheese and spreads the meal farther. It's good.
When municipalities cut services but not taxes that's a tax increase. When they shut down for covid we didn't get a tax break and I can't even meet with my inspections group in person to confer about plans approval.
You can't even articulate without dumbing your speech down to expletives. Not evidence of centrism in the slightest and you've done it almost without ceasing.
Add Cauliflower to the Mac and Cheese. It takes up the taste of the cheese and spreads the meal farther. It's good.
When municipalities cut services but not taxes that's a tax increase. When they shut down for covid we didn't get a tax break and I can't even meet with my inspections group in person to confer about plans approval.
I don’t need to be articulate with someone who embraces what happened today. People like you deserve to be told to **** off. I’m not in this to win an argument, I don’t give a damn.
You celebrate what happened today and, just like you have the right to do so, I’ll exercise my own right to tell you to **** off.
I don’t need to be articulate with someone who embraces what happened today. People like you deserve to be told to **** off. I’m not in this to win an argument, I don’t give a damn.
You celebrate what happened today and, just like you have the right to do so, I’ll exercise my own right to tell you to **** off.
You deserve no formalities
**** you, *******. You deserve a **** in the ***.
Does this pretend we're communicating? Are we clear? I could care less what a ghost on the internet thinks.
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Buy the American entertainment and information industry...
Putin flat out OWNS you.....You are continuing to drink Russian soap from Fox, OAN, and all the other Pro-Trump "Conservative" >>RUSSIAN<< outlets.
Trump is a traitorous, Putin-Puppet helping Putin to destroy our country- You have been selling out our constitution and >>Real<< Conservative beliefs....
What about this; Putin has stated that he wants America and China Destroyed.....So a Virus starts in China and completely wrecks America- Spread via Cruise ships....From China yes...But From the CARRIBEAN?!! How did it get there so quickly? Someone started and spread the Virus on purpose....And Russia has 1/10th the Death-rate that the rest of the world has...Because they knew how to fight it before it started.
Keep working for PUTIN- he has you on a big old fish hook, playing you!
We are that point in history where if you choose to continue supporting Trump, you are a terrorist sympathizer.
You have had four years to spew your right-wing vitriol... It's time to sit down, shut up, and let the adults do their jobs to put our country back together.
Overthrowing a government that is infringing upon your rights is built into our constitution.
Overthrowing a government because you aren’t happy with a fair election’s results is indefensible. It’s infringing upon a free election. It’s the opposite of patriotic.
...And Russia has 1/10th the Death-rate that the rest of the world has...
1/10th? Somewhat hard to believe, since Russia, with 411 deaths/million ranks # 56 out of 270 nations in terms of death/million. The "World's average" is 242.6 deaths/million and sits between # 74 Denmark and #75 French Guiana.
Because everything in our country is perfect until one person was elected. And all our problems will go away on 1-20-2021.
We'll go back to starting unfathomable wars across the globe, flooding our nation with millions more illegals to take our jobs and run up our treasury bill and increasing the opioid crisis like we're supposed to. Simple.
Because everything in our country is perfect until one person was elected. And all our problems will go away on 1-20-2021.
We'll go back to starting unfathomable wars across the globe, flooding our nation with millions more illegals to take our jobs and run up our treasury bill and increasing the opioid crisis like we're supposed to. Simple.
I don't believe that. Biden isn't the best choice, and I'm not a fan. But compared to the other option, it was vote Biden or don't vote at all. And the latter would have doomed us to four+ more years of authoritarian wannabe.
We have a long road out of where we are now... And Trump isn't the reason. He's the symptom. But he's the malignant part of the cancer that is inciting the violence today.
I respect your conservative views, and your right to have them. I can not respect you if you continue to support Trump, especially after today. This is on him and anyone who still endorses his behavior and everything that has led up to today over the last several years.
We have a long road out of where we are now... And Trump isn't the reason. He's the symptom. But he's the malignant part of the cancer that is inciting the violence today.
Been trying to convey that to the person closest to me but she just believes whatever the mass media dishes, without question.
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I respect your conservative views, and your right to have them. I can not respect you if you continue to support Trump, especially after today. This is on him and anyone who still endorses his behavior and everything that has led up to today over the last several years.
Trump is an A-hole. A self centered A-hole. He's wholly ineffective as a President, having been out-flanked at every turn by the Deep State. He's a troll who used that and the abused majority to get elected. And if you were able to see it, he made all of DC politicians look like the fools they are.
It won't be fixed. It will just keep breaking worse.
This is NOT on him. Keep telling the people they don't count and, well....they're just going to keep telling the people they don't count and pushing them down. It will end in tears. The violence was on the streets all Summer by BLM and Antifa. That's Biden and Chlamydia's base of support.
We are that point in history where if you choose to continue supporting Trump, you are a terrorist sympathizer.
You have had four years to spew your right-wing vitriol... It's time to sit down, shut up, and let the adults do their jobs to put our country back together.
Funny stuff son. You don't get to decide who thinks what.
This is NOT on him. Keep telling the people they don't count and, well....they're just going to keep telling the people they don't count and pushing them down. It will end in tears. The violence was on the streets all Summer by BLM and Antifa. That's Biden and Chlamydia's base of support.
Let's take your statement here and apply it to BLM... Antifa is not a real organization, and the fact that you keep acting like it is really shows how tightly the right has you by the nuts. Additionally, the fact that you can't refer to Vice President Elect Kamala Harris by her actual real name, and have to resort to using derogatory terms... Well, that shows me the character you have.
You very quickly say that violence on the streets all summer was by BLM... But, you also state "Keep telling people they don't count..." What do you think BLM is pushing back against? You decry BLMs protests, but in the same group of sentences justify today's violence. I am a BLM supporter. I lost people I love due to police on black violence. I have no tolerance for bigotry anymore. I'm serious enough about it that I have sat time for actions that I took in defense of others, and I own that record proudly. That's how strongly I feel about this.
Don't decry actions that occurred because of a reason, then justify other actions that occurred by using the same reason just because it is a different group that you happen to agree with.
He doesn't realize how similar he makes himself look to Trump with that statement. Ego-centric.
Go ahead and convince yourselves that things are peachy. Did you just catch what Graham said on the floor? Or the resounding rejection of reviewing Arizona's electoral vote that just occurred? We don't have to decide history, it's already plain as DAY to some of us that the sky is dark and I do not say that with any smug impression. It is reprehensible that we hit this point. You are Americans and you have a choice to decide what side of the sand you're standing on, but be cognizant of this while you continue to watch how things play out.
Those cozy with this will forever be damned to the throes of American history. We will never be the same. That is terribly sad.
Then you need to own everything your movement has done and don't rationalize it away.
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Neither is White Supremacism. Neither is Black Supremacism.
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and the fact that you keep acting like it is really shows how tightly the right has you by the nuts. Additionally, the fact that you can't refer to Vice President Elect Kamala Harris by her actual real name, and have to resort to using derogatory terms... Well, that shows me the character you have.
Trump is an A-hole. Kamala is a fake. At least Trump can be who he is, unlike Biden and every other phony in DC. Proved you wrong yet again. You're confirming that you're a narcissist by trying to tell someone who they are and what they believe. It's the typical boring failure of most people. Your character has many flaws in it so I'll borrow your tactics and give some back to you.
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You very quickly say that violence on the streets all summer was by BLM... But, you also state "Keep telling people they don't count..." What do you think BLM is pushing back against? You decry BLMs protests, but in the same group of sentences justify today's violence. I am a BLM supporter. I lost people I love due to police on black violence. I have no tolerance for bigotry anymore. I'm serious enough about it that I have sat time for actions that I took in defense of others, and I own that record proudly. That's how strongly I feel about this.
Antifa IDs as Antifa, so clearly they're an organization with specif beliefs. Even if not an LLC or non-profit. They and BLM burned cities, attacked people for not cowering to them, attacked people FOR cowering to them, murdered people they didn't agree with who had done nothing violent to them other than stand for their own beliefs. They attacked authorities at the White House and State buildings across America. They burned libraries and looted private businesses because sneakers.
In Dallas 2016 one BLM shooter murdered people screaming he hates people for skin color. BLM hass a domestic terrorist bent to it. Same with Antifa. Tearing down statues because of skin color.
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Don't decry actions that occurred because of a reason, then justify other actions that occurred by using the same reason just because it is a different group that you happen to agree with.
Guess who is tired of giving and giving and giving and it's still not good enough?
George dying is a sad story. Truly. I hate it happened to him, but he died of a drug overdose. The cop was following the police manual for someone in "excited delirium". He asked to be let out of the truck and they did. It's printed in their manual that you put the person on their stomach and restrain them with your knee. The cop did what his job says to do. He wasn't rogue. Might be an ass, but he was following procedure. He'll probably be cleared but the violent mod will demand he be scape-goated.
People are sick of watching people put themselves in ridiculous situations where they end up pushing an outcome that works against them then the SJWs pretend the person had no responsibility in the event. You can believe the bunk propaganda, but some of us won't ignore the reality.
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Go ahead and convince yourselves that things are peachy. Did you just catch what Graham said on the floor? Or the resounding rejection of reviewing Arizona's electoral vote that just occurred? We don't have to decide history, it's already plain as DAY to some of us that the sky is dark and I do not say that with any smug impression. It is reprehensible that we hit this point. You are Americans and you have a choice to decide what side of the sand you're standing on, but be cognizant of this while you continue to watch how things play out.
Those cozy with this will forever be damned to the throes of American history. We will never be the same. That is terribly sad.
And Trump didn't do it. He's a symptom. Which is why I told you nothing will be fixed. It'll continue to break worse.
Did you not see my post lat half hour saying what I think of Graham and Mitch as Republicans? You can't understand what I'm saying because it doesn't fit your cable new box. When you turn that off you'll get a real grasp of the electorate and it's facets.
I'll read the rest of your post tomorrow, but needed to respond to your comment about "White Supremacy"... It isn't an organization. It is an ideology. That's the difference between BLM and White Supremacy... BLM is an organization seeking to draw attention to the inequality that persons of color are subjected to every day. White Supremacy is an ideology that says Whites are better than persons of color, and persons of color do not deserve to be equals. They are "less than".
Hopefully the next administration will recognize that having the votes to get your way doesn’t necessarily mean you have the nation’s (or in this case half of the nation) support.
Decisions have consequences. The Harris/Biden administration should understand that this could be like one of those California wildfires and get out of control if not addressed to the nation as a whole.
Go ahead and convince yourselves that things are peachy. Did you just catch what Graham said on the floor? Or the resounding rejection of reviewing Arizona's electoral vote that just occurred? We don't have to decide history, it's already plain as DAY to some of us that the sky is dark and I do not say that with any smug impression. It is reprehensible that we hit this point. You are Americans and you have a choice to decide what side of the sand you're standing on, but be cognizant of this while you continue to watch how things play out.
Those cozy with this will forever be damned to the throes of American history. We will never be the same. That is terribly sad.
"We' have 'never been the same' since the day we as a nation was formed. The thing that has gotten so many upset today, is that today's events happend in 'their' lifetime and was able to penetrate the little circles of insulation so many modern Americans have drawn around themselves. "It can't happen here!" How incrediby naïve. ..a nation born of fire and violence, showing willingness and ability to do so any time and anywhere in the world and we think "It can't happen here..by us"? It won't... this time, but it will come one day, just as it has to every nation, people, and government thru out history.
The Harris/Biden administration should understand that this could be like one of those California wildfires and get out of controlif not addressed to the nation as a whole.
Rams.
Far too early in the natural/historical process for that to be a real possibility or issue.
"We' have 'never been the same' since the day we as a nation was formed. The thing that has gotten so many upset today, is that today's events happend in 'their' lifetime and was able to penetrate the little circles of insulation so many modern Americans have drawn around themselves. "It can't happen here!" How incrediby naïve. ..a nation born of fire and violence, showing willingness and ability to do so any time and anywhere in the world and we think "It can't happen here..by us"? It won't... this time, but it will come one day, just as it has to every nation, people, and government thru out history.
Look at the world, as it is, and not as you are.
Yeah, you hit the nail on the head in regards to naivety. Be aware of what you’re comfortable with happening right now. Your prerogative, of course.
However, I’d like to get one thing straight. I’m not mad for the sake of this happening to ME; I am not mad for MY sake. My social circle circle of influence? What? This has nothing to do with me. What happened today has never happened in our HISTORY, let along our lifetime. That also being said, I would agree with you if you wanted to throw a stone over towards the Civil War, it’s within skipping distance.
100% the reason why I called out mental gymnastics earlier. I am not invested in this for the sake of my benefit, or virtue signaling, or for any reason other than the blight this will leave on our nation.
You either understand how this will look, or you don’t. I’m sad that it has to even be a consideration.
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I'll read the rest of your post tomorrow, but needed to respond to your comment about "White Supremacy"... It isn't an organization. It is an ideology. That's the difference between BLM and White Supremacy... BLM is an organization seeking to draw attention to the inequality that persons of color are subjected to every day. White Supremacy is an ideology that says Whites are better than persons of color, and persons of color do not deserve to be equals. They are "less than".
White Supremacy is an ideology. But I find not a group at all so they can't be contained into what you claimed. At least not from what the left says about them. Antifa is a group with specific objectives.
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You haven't posted a quote where I said Antifa is an organization. If you want to make a point that they aren't that's good with me. I wouldn't know if they're a registered entity in the USA or not. They probably aren't allowed to be in Europe where they would choose to be, having been around for decades there.
But IDing as something because you ID as it is a cause du jour (sp) so they self ID as an entity. Are you disputing that BLM and Antifa didn't commit violence all Summer because Antifa isn't a corporate entity?
I've read what so-called White Supremacists write online. Anybody can. You can listen to their broadcasts in archived format or live 6 days per week. How come the people called WS by the media say people of color have a higher IQ than Whites? Because they really do say that. Aren't far East Asians POC? Why would White people, former officers in the KKK, say their people don't have a highest IQ as a group? I find it surprising. They also say that Blacks have some aspects superior to them.
A small minority say POC are 'less than' as people. Most say POC have a 'less than' culture, which isn't a personal attack. It's just not their native culture they're comfortable with. So what? Chinese say the same thing about Blacks and Whites. They don't want to be around them given the choice. Indians say the same thing. Mexicans, same. Which racial group in any nation says they want to be around a different group of people? No group says that, because they prefer their own.
WS say they can do what they need on their own without others and the can do it best (the way they perceive it to be best, even if it's a little lesser than the highest). That they don't want to be forced to be around POC and that even in their own movement they meet the worst and best people ever, talking about fellow Whites. That they have a rich culture to be proud of and want to preserve it.
Huey Long, Senator shot in Congress. Battle of Athens. Actual armed conflict and multiple shots fired, people shot in anger on a State House because of election fraud. Remember the private plane suicide attack on the Clinton White House? Steve Scaleese(sp) shot by a leftist whacko? Rand Paul attacked on his own front lawn while mowing. Also roughed up by BLM and Antifa while leaving the White House. Gabby Giffords shot in the head.
That's just what comes to mind in a few minutes of thought.
BLM was trying to scale the fence of the White House, attacking police just a few months ago. It wreaks of hypocrisy.
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I'm neither comfortable nor uncomfortable with today's events. I do however understand them because I expected this to happen since history has shown it has happened everywhere else in the world and we are no exception to the rest of mankind.
"When" or what would be the impetus for it, I was in the dark about, but honestly, today is really just a little pebble in the road. 245 years into this 'democracy' experiment is a very very short time in which to base anything on. The pharaohs ruled Egypt for 2500 years. Czarist Russia lived for 400 years. Dynastic China survived for over 4000 years. Native Americans 'ran' this continent for well over 10,000 years before the white man ever set sail West. Before the white man set the Semioles off on their trail of tears, the Seminoles with their own kind of govt culture had ruled Fla for 12 millennia. They have only known "us" and "our" democracy for about 3% of their entire existence.
We 'contemporary Americans' are but babes in arms in the real scheme of things.. We really shouldn't take ourselves so seriously.
At some point, it will get much much worse. Probably not in my lifetime and maybe not even in yours, but it's coming. It always has, it always does, it always will. Don't be so surprised, when it just happens to occur in 'your' lifetime. Could be worse. We could have all been born a stegosaurus a few years before the asteroid hit.
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Huey Long, Senator shot in Congress. Battle of Athens. Actual armed conflict and multiple shots fired, people shot in anger on a State House because of election fraud. Remember the private plane suicide attack on the Clinton White House? Steve Scaleese(sp) shot by a leftist whacko? Rand Paul attacked on his own front lawn while mowing. Also roughed up by BLM and Antifa while leaving the White House. Gabby Giffords shot in the head.
That's just what comes to mind in a few minutes of thought.
BLM was trying to scale the fence of the White House, attaching police a few months ago.
Your comparisons are neither equivalent nor coherent. You referred to these people as “patriots”. This is the Capitol building. And a “patriot” as you identify for them died. In exchange for violating a significant symbol of American democracy you have lost support for this ideal in government, and gained... nothing substantial. That’s putting it lightly.
However, based on your previous word vomit above regarding race it is hard to imagine that I am talking to anyone other than a sick individual. I am no longer going to grab your low-hanging fruit.
Originally posted by Synthesis: But compared to the other option, it was vote Biden or don't vote at all. And the latter would have doomed us to four+ more years of authoritarian wannabe.
Ironically, we're getting an authoritarian wannabe, anyway.
