Speaking or writing in the vernacular VS speaking or writing using precise legal terminology
Was it a "quasi insurrection"?
What happened on Jan6 was criminal trespassing. They broke a few windows and doors. That was it. Of the dozens of people that trespassed that day, virtually no damage was done, no vandalism no harm done to the building. In fact a typical trailer park fight causes more collateral damage than what happened on Jan6. Tha real damage is going to be political, and that is EXACTLY what the goal is. BUT I believe voters are going to see this and hold the democrats responsible for the lies, hype and hysteria.
That (from Rick) is an accurate description of most of the people who went inside the Capitol Building on January 6: just "trespassers."
But that is not all the people and the more serious cases are just that: more serious.
I am going to take the liberty of duplicating the full text of a press release from a few days ago (June 23) from the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia.
I already referenced this on the previous page of this thread, but I think it does no harm to bring it back on this page of the thread for an encore performance. I think (maybe) people that access the forum on their cellphones may not be having the same forum experience as others (like myself) that see Pennock's on a full-sized video display. This isn't from a commercial news venue, so I don't feel like it's "cheating" on my part to duplicate the entire text.
This is from the U.S. Department of Justice website:
Florida Man Pleads Guilty to Charges of Conspiracy and Obstruction Following Jan. 6 Capitol Breach
Defendant is First in a Sixteen-Person, Oath-Keeper-Affiliated Conspiracy Case to Cooperate and Plead Guilty Arising from Jan. 6 Capitol Breach
A Florida man pleaded guilty today to crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, which disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress that was in the process of ascertaining and counting the electoral votes related to the presidential election.
Graydon Young, 54, of Englewood, pleaded guilty to counts one and two of the fourth superseding indictment issued on May 26, which charged him with conspiracy and obstruction of justice. Young faces up to 20 years in prison for obstruction of Congress and up to five years in prison for conspiracy as well as three years of supervised release and a $250,000 fine.
According to court documents, Young coordinated with others – some of whom are affiliated with the Oath Keepers – in advance of his activities in Washington on Jan. 6. For example, Young and others discussed the need to maintain operational security and, accordingly, used encrypted messaging applications to communicate. On Jan. 4, Young flew from Florida to North Carolina and drove with at least one co-conspirator to the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area the next day. On the morning of Jan. 6, he met up with some of the co-conspirators at an event near the White House. In the early afternoon, Young marched with some of the co-conspirators toward the U.S. Capitol.
Young admitted to unlawfully entering the restricted grounds of the U.S. Capitol around 2:28 p.m. and, around 2:40 p.m., joining co-conspirators to walk up the east side of the building. Young and others walked in a “stack” formation, with each person keeping a hand on the shoulder of the person in front. Young believed that when he entered the building, he and the co-conspirators were trying to obstruct, influence and impede an official proceeding, specifically Congress’s certification of the Electoral College vote. Young admitted to intending to stop or delay the Congressional proceeding by intimidating and coercing government personnel who were participating in or supporting the proceeding.
Around 3:05 p.m., Young exited the Capitol and, around 4:22 p.m., posted to Facebook, “We stormed and got inside.” Young deleted his Facebook account two days later.
The case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and the Department of Justice National Security Division’s Counterterrorism Section. Substantial assistance was provided by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Middle District of Florida.
The case is being investigated by the FBI’s Washington and Tampa Field Offices.
In the 150 days since Jan. 6, approximately 465 individuals have been arrested on charges related to the Jan. 6 Capitol breach, including over 130 individuals charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement. The investigation remains ongoing.
What happened on Jan6 was criminal trespassing. They broke a few windows and doors. That was it. Of the dozens of people that trespassed that day, virtually no damage was done, no vandalism no harm done to the building. In fact a typical trailer park fight causes more collateral damage than what happened on Jan6. Tha real damage is going to be political, and that is EXACTLY what the goal is. BUT I believe voters are going to see this and hold the democrats responsible for the lies, hype and hysteria.
Those who count the votes are the only ones who matter. We saw how that played out so far. When the ballot box fails...I don't remember the rest of the old saying.
Wednesday, June 30, 2021. "Alabama Oath Keeper Pleads Guilty to Conspiracy Charges Related to Jan. 6 Capitol Breach"
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Mark Grods, 54, of Mobile, is charged with federal offenses that include conspiracy and obstruction of an official proceeding and aiding and abetting. Grods entered his guilty plea in the District of Columbia on June 30.
According to court documents, Grods and others in the conspiracy agreed to plan and participate in an operation to interfere with the certification of the electoral college vote on Jan. 6 by coordinating with others in advance, using websites and social media to recruit other participants, and traveling to Washington, D.C. According to his plea, Grods joined an invitation-only encrypted Signal group message titled “DC OP: Jan 6 21” and participated in a four-person online meeting titled “SE leaders dc 1/6/21 op call.” On Jan. 4, Grods traveled with others to Washington and brought firearms, and eventually provided them to another individual to store in a Virginia hotel.
That's just a "spoonful" from another U.S. Department of Justice press release. The entire press release is like a single page of text from a novel. No "biggie." https://www.justice.gov/usa...jan-6-capitol-breach
"Alabama man, now we know your plan . . ."
If the narrative that the Capitol protest was a "deadly insurrection" is falling apart--as this topic was set up with the Original Post--then it's falling apart into some good-sized fragments, like these Conspiracy charges.
"Prove me wrong."
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It's 40 minutes but it's fast-paced, with visual aids like overlays and pointers to augment the raw video footage. And you don't need an online subscription.
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Early in this thread I pointed out how the connections drawn and imaginary boogie men created in these stories are weak.
In dozens of other threads on this forum we have seen how guilt by even the most remote or casual association is good enough for LEFTISTS.
In dozens of other threads on this forum, including this one, we have seen how LEFTIST purveyors of perjury will quickly embrace A LIE, then parrot it and when that lie has been fully proven to be the lie that it is, the LEFTIST purveyor of perjury simply pivots to his next lie and deception.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:
Yeah, I'd much rather be murdered with "bear spray" (like Brian Sicknik)
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It's 40 minutes but it's fast-paced, with visual aids like overlays and pointers to augment the raw video footage. And you don't need an online subscription.
That bears repeating, because this thread is being constantly spammed by someone who wants to discourage other people from looking at it anymore. He's like a jammer or jamming signal (for anyone who has any small familiarity with Electronic Warfare or Radio or Satellite Communications.) He injects noise into the thread because he wants to hinder and ultimately discourage anyone else from making any sense of it.
That (the online video presentation or "Movie") bears repeating, but this is new:
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hi guys, it's been, what, 10 years? just passing thru, thought i'd see what's shakin'. i see nothing has changed. re this thread, some of you have chosen to follow a sociopathic fraud and pathological liar you wouldn't buy a used car from, because he says what you want to hear. "it's a hoax, a liberal hoax, it's just a flu (600k+ dead americans, and it put HIM in the hospital), gone in a week, in two weeks, a month, like a miracle, by easter". of 2020. all straight from the orange (yes, he exemplifies fake) one's pouty lips, not a one of these is true. and they're all mutually exclusive, a different lie every day and you don't notice. if even one was true, the rest could not be. think, people. kinda makes me wonder about the people who support him, apparently they're not paying attention. or they're being willfully oblivious. or they're sociopaths too.
U.S. Department of Justice "Six Months Since the January 6th Attack on the Capitol"
July 6, 2021.
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Approximately 40 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three.
I look especially for "conspiracy" because that tells the story of how people worked together in advance to plan the Breach of the Capitol Building and coordinate the assault teams or "stacks" (tactical jargon) that went into action on January 6 to overcome the police and break into the Capitol Building by breaking open windows and smashing through doors.
All for the express purpose of obstructing Congress from certifying the election results.
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...... to hinder and ultimately discourage anyone else from making any sense of it.
Making normal, rational sense of things, especially on the topic of this thread, is entirely your demonstrated malfunction. Not anyone else's.
Attempting to hinder anyone else from making sense of the TRUTH is what you have done from the beginning of this thread.
It began with you parroting a LIE and then went on to you LYING twice more about what someone said in the media.
You then continued on with your ignorant speculation and outright bullshit.
You even included some your garrulous babble about creating your "messaging", (better known as propaganda), further exemplifying your intent to lie and deceive people and tell a "story", and not the objective truth.
Whenever you are proven to be:
AS YOU USUALLY ARE.....
....you simply double-down with even more propaganda, lies, ignorant speculation and bullshit.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:
I look especially for "conspiracy" because that tells the story.....
NO.
You pivoted to "conspiracy" only after you had been hammered into finally, grudgingly, admitting that there was NO INSURRECTION so you started mindlessly hooting about a few individuals being charged with and/or pleading guilty to "conspiracy" as though that somehow, weirdly, "makes your case"...whatever the hell your "case" is....
Most tellingly, and typical for an incurious purveyor of perjury, the consideration of WHY a few people might willingly enter a guilty plea to that charge never originated from you.
Moreover, asking WHY the Biden DOJ couldn't, or wouldn't, charge anyone with "insurrection" but instead chose to charge people with the inchoate crime of "criminal conspiracy" has similarly never originated from you.
It's been 6 days since the New York Times published "Day of Rage: An In-Depth Look at How a Mob Stormed the Capitol."
"I want to see the article text and the video presentation. I have an online subscription to the New York Times or I am ready to start one. I can even start a free, limited subscription just to see this one article." https://www.nytimes.com/202...ttack-takeaways.html
"I want to go straight to the New York Times video presentation. An online subscription to the New York Times is NOT NEEDED for this." https://nyti.ms/2UUXgu0
It's not for anyone like the author of the forum message that preceded this forum message. It's for people who are interested in what happened, before rushing to judgement about an investigation that is still very much a work in progress--the largest investigation that the U.S. Department of Justice has ever been faced with, because of the large number of people who became part of the invasion of the U.S. Capitol Building when Congress was in session.
The largest investigation that the U.S. Department of Justice has ever been faced with, because of the large number of people who trespassed by following in the steps of the MAGA Mob assault teams or "stacks" that beat up the police, broke open windows and forced open doors, and exploited encrypted online and radio communications and the access tunnels below the ground floor of the Capitol Building. The Oath Keepers, Proud Boys and Three Percenters that planned the Breach of the Capitol Building even before the sun had risen on January 6, fully expecting that a large number of other people would follow them inside the Capitol Building.
This thread, from the very start, in the way that it was packaged as "The narrative that the Capitol protest was a 'deadly insurrection' is falling apart" is just a distraction from seeing what actually happened. It's an invitation to rush to judgement about an investigation that is still very much in progress. It's an invitation for nonsense like the forum message that preceded this one.
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As of today, still NOT ONE PERSON has been charged with Insurrection or sedition or even homicide as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Advocating overthrow of Government (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today only 535 individuals, (1.7 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 35 individuals, (0.10 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today only 35 individuals, (6.5 %) out of the 535 people arrested as a result of the events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".
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As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Insurrection or sedition or even homicide as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Advocating overthrow of Government (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today only 535 individuals], (1.7 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 35 individuals, (0.10 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today only 35 individuals, (6.5 %) out of the 535 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".
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Originally posted by rinselberg: "Seeing is believing"
YUP
If you SEE it on any of your hard LEFT, propaganda, bullshit, sources, you BELIEVE it.
It's bad enough that it's more crap from the New York Slimes that you're bleating about again.
Then we have the fact that it's a transparently biased propaganda hit job produced by a little Marxist / Leftist girl who is just a few months fresh out of UC BERKELEY and whose prior lowlights of her larval career include 10 whole months being a "Hate Speech Project Manager" at the aforementioned University of Communism at Berkeley and a whopping TWO months as a "Community Rights and Gender Intern" in Geneva, Switzerland, .... of all places,
That little Trotskyite twat doesn't just have a "mist" of Marxism about her, she's dripping with it.
Pretty amazing for a little girl who graduated from HIGH SCHOOL just months before Trump was elected.
Then to put the rancid cherry on top of your latest favorite propaganda parfait, the entire piece of crap is co-produced and narrated by an Irish Socialist foreign national with absolutely ZERO formal education in journalism and who is described as having accidentally won a Pulitzer Prize somehow.
As usual, if there is a piece of LEFTIST propaganda trash to be found you will SEE it, unquestioningly BELIEVE it and then puke it back on this forum.
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As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Insurrection or sedition or even homicide as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Advocating overthrow of Government (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today only 535 individuals], (1.7 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 35 individuals, (0.10 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today only 35 individuals, (6.5 %) out of the 535 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Insurrection or sedition or even homicide as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Advocating overthrow of Government (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today only 535 individuals], (1.7 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 35 individuals, (0.10 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today only 35 individuals, (6.5 %) out of the 535 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".
Any realistically minded or critical thinking person evaluates reports with a skeptical eye. You don't educate people by using agenda sources. You don't even learn as much from them either. You learn from counter-sources in the independent media.
A little light searching turns up flagrant hoax reporting in search of subscription dollars.
One accounting shows one of the contributing (misinformation) reporters was involved in the hoax of a fake ISIS fighter. The whole phony story won Peabody Awards and was nominated for the Pulitzer. Then the main character it was based on was exposed when arrested by the RCMP for posting fake accountings.
Awards are given to reporters who spread the agenda. I almost never read or ever believe the mainstream news sources of these internationalist agenda slingers.
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I think the 40+ minutes of this New York Times video and the voice narration that accompanies it is lining up with the reports that I have been seeing about the various defendants who have appeared in court for their indictments--including the ones that have been charged with Conspiracy indictments.
Reports from the usual "suspects"--New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, NBC News, the local affiliates that I sometimes pick up on--but also, reports that are appearing on the U.S. Department of Justice website.
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As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Insurrection or sedition or even homicide as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Advocating overthrow of Government (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today only 535 individuals], (1.7 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 35 individuals, (0.10 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today only 35 individuals, (6.5 %) out of the 535 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Insurrection or sedition or even homicide as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Advocating overthrow of Government (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today only 535 individuals], (1.7 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 35 individuals, (0.10 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today only 35 individuals, (6.5 %) out of the 535 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".
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